On June 11 2013 04:37 Spitfiree wrote:
Yap it seems like its the month of accepting long prolonged conspiracy theories:
forget about the aliens, but the guy confirms about the world government project at the end and i highly doubt that he s nuts since he s the minster of defense of one of the best nations ....
world government would be awesome! so sick of nations fighting each other based on a magic line.
wtf am i even reading .... so you are against corporations but somehow support the world government, nice logic
how can anyone admire the world government idea, esp considering what this thread is about?
On June 11 2013 04:37 Spitfiree wrote:
Yap it seems like its the month of accepting long prolonged conspiracy theories:
forget about the aliens, but the guy confirms about the world government project at the end and i highly doubt that he s nuts since he s the minster of defense of one of the best nations ....
world government would be awesome! so sick of nations fighting each other based on a magic line.
wtf am i even reading .... so you are against corporations but somehow support the world government, nice logic
how can anyone admire the world government idea, esp considering what this thread is about?
Ironically, people who flip the fuck-out at Obama when you are talking about gun control or Obama care keep saying: "This is all just an excuse for Gov to monitor your moves and make a database of you and what you do etc etc"
Then when the Obama government get caught ACTUALLY doing all that stuff, it is THE ONLY time they support Obama.
Jeez I wonder why? BoozAllenHamilton (where Snowden worked) annual revenue is about $6 Bil/year and 99% of that comes from Gov contracts. I wonder if maybe that is why all the politicians support these kind of activity.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
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NewbSaibot United States. Jun 17 2013 00:46. Posts 4952
I think the politicians support it because they're all 60 years old and dont understand the internet. If you were to frame this as the gov't opening and xerox'ing every piece of letter mail that goes through the post office, then they'd probably freak out.
Also when it comes to storing forum posts, emails, chat history, web history, etc, you gotta remember this information is unique from one provider to another. It's not like every bit of data transmitted from your computer is all readily observable in some unified format. Imagine deleting all the extensions to all the known file types on your computer, and then trying to double click any random file and open it. You wouldnt know what to open it with. You might end up opening a jpeg with notepad, and just end up getting garbage. There could still be decipherable material in there, but it would be messy to look at. The BBC code this forum uses might be completely different from what 2p2 uses, and someone would have to know that before attempting to analyze it. I know a lot of what they're looking at probably is stored in pure plain text, and it shouldnt be too hard to run basic keyword searches on it regardless of format, but I doubt the NSA had every major software provider develop a format for export so they could filter through all this data in a useful way. Also I imagine at any given moment there are a few petabytes of information in transit around the globe, there is no practical way to flat out store this 24/7. It will be interesting to learn exactly how the gov't is storing this data, how much they are physically capable of storing, and what tools they are using to make sense of it all, and how much sense can even be made.
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NMcNasty United States. Jun 17 2013 11:31. Posts 2041
NMcNasty United States. Jun 17 2013 11:49. Posts 2041
Glenn Greenwald follow up: When you say "someone at NSA still has the content of your communications" - what do you mean? Do you mean they have a record of it, or the actual content?
Both. If I target for example an email address, for example under FAA 702, and that email address sent something to you, Joe America, the analyst gets it. All of it. IPs, raw data, content, headers, attachments, everything. And it gets saved for a very long time - and can be extended further with waivers rather than warrants.
Ed Snowden, I thank you for your brave service to our country.
Some skepticism exists about certain of your claims, including this:
I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President if I had a personal email.
Do you stand by that, and if so, could you elaborate?
Answer:
Yes, I stand by it. US Persons do enjoy limited policy protections (and again, it's important to understand that policy protection is no protection - policy is a one-way ratchet that only loosens) and one very weak technical protection - a near-the-front-end filter at our ingestion points. The filter is constantly out of date, is set at what is euphemistically referred to as the "widest allowable aperture," and can be stripped out at any time. Even with the filter, US comms get ingested, and even more so as soon as they leave the border. Your protected communications shouldn't stop being protected communications just because of the IP they're tagged with.
More fundamentally, the "US Persons" protection in general is a distraction from the power and danger of this system. Suspicionless surveillance does not become okay simply because it's only victimizing 95% of the world instead of 100%. Our founders did not write that "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all US Persons are created equal."
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