TableNinja Moneygrab! - Page 2

On May 16 2013 22:04 Daut wrote: is table ninja that useful? ive never used it or considered it, maybe i should have all these years

yes, can't play without

On May 16 2013 21:55 HaiVan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole. Wow you are really thick. They are ending support for TN1 on august 15th 2013. After that TN1 will no longer be functional you stupid fucking cunt.

They said they provide lifetime free updates, not free support. There is nothing that says if/when they have to update. They should not have even mentioned "ending support" since they could have just silently let it die. But anyway you're a fucking idiot if you think any software company can just endlessly keep a product updated forever from a single purchase made years ago. I bet you'd whine just as hard if TableNinja went out of business "zomg they promised me updates, it's the year 2022 and I still have table ninja installed!".

HEM and PT had to do the same thing. They provided a SHIT TON of free updates, basically every 3-5 days or as often as poker sites release their own updates. Eventually you have to reach a point where your updates are practically becoming a whole new product unto themselves.

newbsaibot thats pretty aggro bro

tableninja is ok

tablescanner and all those programs should be banned

I recently found out that datamining on stars is still common practice wtf

LOL at these consumer entitlement tilt monkeys

this is a snap purchase for me

entitlement? Wow. When I purchase something for LIFE and do it again a couple years later... then find out it's a big fucking lie, I guess I should smile and smoke a joint, right?

I'll buy it, but I'm not happy with the ethics of these assholes.

It's not a matter of the money, it's the principle. so ya, LOL at you people who think a contract means fuck-all.

there many antivirus/computer security/w/e companies who promised lifetime updates and went out of business or were forced to call for yearly fees

The problem is simply where you draw the line for your product. I mean it is kinda silly to advertise lifetime anything since obviously you are doing to die one day, the world will end, and the universe will collapse. It kind of a marketing gimmick to just make your product seem extra glitzy. But at the same time what should "lifetime support" for table ninja mean? That they'll just keep updating it for the next 10 years to include compatibility but no new features?

So what happens when we're all using weird tablet operating system hybrids on our holocube desktops, is a program written during the Windows XP era supposed to continue to work on OS's that it was never designed for in the first place?

What exactly do you want?

On May 17 2013 11:30 NewbSaibot wrote: What exactly do you want?

Lifetime free updates for the individual product that they purchased.

I hope you can understand that there is a problem when then they offer lifetime free updates, and then later say they don't guarantee that product will work after a certain date and actually advise against using it.

I thought it was pretty standard for "lifetime" to mean the reasonable life of the product.

If however they did entirely mean for all eternity then it's reasonable for a consumer to expect as such. It's irrelevant if it's a reasonable expectation or not, the company made a commitment. If they break that commitment then it's entirely rational to assume that some customers will feel betrayed and sales will suffer as a result.

On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole.

you seem like a terrible human being

On May 17 2013 13:50 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole. you seem like a terrible human being

Dude that was deep, how's the wife n' kids?

Look, here's the thing



Lets say you buy a new hammer with a "lifetime warranty", but then the industry changes and instead of nails everything moves to staples. Is it fair for the hammer manufacturer to have to create a new hammer for this new kind of hardware? TableNinja works, there is no defect, no bug, nothing wrong with its design. It's the *industry* that changed. PokerStars and all the other sites changed *their* software and thus *made* TableNinja incompatible. This is not TN's fault. This is not the result of a faulty product that requires their support to fix, because it never broke.

If the poker sites out there never updated their software then you would have a valid complaint when TN started exhibiting problems. Think of it like this, TN has lifetime support for PokerStars ver. 1.036. Pokerstars recently updated to 1.037. It's a new product, thus no support.

On May 17 2013 15:05 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2013 13:50 Daut wrote:   On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole. you seem like a terrible human being Dude that was deep, how's the wife n' kids? Look, here's the thing Lets say you buy a new hammer with a "lifetime warranty", but then the industry changes and instead of nails everything moves to staples. Is it fair for the hammer manufacturer to have to create a new hammer for this new kind of hardware? TableNinja works, there is no defect, no bug, nothing wrong with its design. It's the *industry* that changed. PokerStars and all the other sites changed *their* software and thus *made* TableNinja incompatible. This is not TN's fault. This is not the result of a faulty product that requires their support to fix, because it never broke. If the poker sites out there never updated their software then you would have a valid complaint when TN started exhibiting problems. Think of it like this, TN has lifetime support for PokerStars ver. 1.036. Pokerstars recently updated to 1.037. It's a new product, thus no support.

im not disputing your point. dont really have an opinion one way or the other on it. just dont like how you got all belligerent unprovoked

Who cares. tableninja has become obsolete anyway it is probably usefull for people playing stars, FTP and party at the same time but that is it.

and lol at the ''standard'' and ''pro'' difference. 8 table max. why would anyone use tableninja if they are only 8-tableing.

On May 17 2013 15:20 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2013 15:05 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 17 2013 13:50 Daut wrote:   On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole. you seem like a terrible human being Dude that was deep, how's the wife n' kids? Look, here's the thing Lets say you buy a new hammer with a "lifetime warranty", but then the industry changes and instead of nails everything moves to staples. Is it fair for the hammer manufacturer to have to create a new hammer for this new kind of hardware? TableNinja works, there is no defect, no bug, nothing wrong with its design. It's the *industry* that changed. PokerStars and all the other sites changed *their* software and thus *made* TableNinja incompatible. This is not TN's fault. This is not the result of a faulty product that requires their support to fix, because it never broke. If the poker sites out there never updated their software then you would have a valid complaint when TN started exhibiting problems. Think of it like this, TN has lifetime support for PokerStars ver. 1.036. Pokerstars recently updated to 1.037. It's a new product, thus no support. im not disputing your point. dont really have an opinion one way or the other on it. just dont like how you got all belligerent unprovoked

Yeah I dunno, just somethin about the way the OP was trying to paint TN, calling it a moneygrab and "fuck them" for not running their business into the ground. I liked TN, I remember when it first came out, and it's cool developers like that and the guy behind HEM and PT and so forth managed to create this huge successful product all by themselves initially. Then someone like OP comes along and just ruins it all.

On May 17 2013 17:39 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2013 15:20 Daut wrote:   On May 17 2013 15:05 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 17 2013 13:50 Daut wrote:   On May 16 2013 21:50 NewbSaibot wrote:   On May 16 2013 17:20 HaiVan wrote: Note the first sentence in the email: "Thank you for Purchasing TableNinja with Lifetime Free Updates!" Silly fucks You have lifetime updates for TableNinja you dumb piece of shit. This new product is called TableNinja II, as in 2, as in FUCKING TWO. It's a goddamn sequel. It offers new features and is meant to support the next generation of poker software. You will still receive free updates for TableNinja one, if and when they are released. It's like a lifetime warranty on your LG TV. Does that mean you get every fucking new TV that they design for all eternity? No, it means you get free support on the existing one that you bought at that time asshole. you seem like a terrible human being Dude that was deep, how's the wife n' kids? Look, here's the thing Lets say you buy a new hammer with a "lifetime warranty", but then the industry changes and instead of nails everything moves to staples. Is it fair for the hammer manufacturer to have to create a new hammer for this new kind of hardware? TableNinja works, there is no defect, no bug, nothing wrong with its design. It's the *industry* that changed. PokerStars and all the other sites changed *their* software and thus *made* TableNinja incompatible. This is not TN's fault. This is not the result of a faulty product that requires their support to fix, because it never broke. If the poker sites out there never updated their software then you would have a valid complaint when TN started exhibiting problems. Think of it like this, TN has lifetime support for PokerStars ver. 1.036. Pokerstars recently updated to 1.037. It's a new product, thus no support. im not disputing your point. dont really have an opinion one way or the other on it. just dont like how you got all belligerent unprovoked Yeah I dunno, just somethin about the way the OP was trying to paint TN, calling it a moneygrab and "fuck them" for not running their business into the ground. I liked TN, I remember when it first came out, and it's cool developers like that and the guy behind HEM and PT and so forth managed to create this huge successful product all by themselves initially. Then someone like OP comes along and just ruins it all.

So essentially - you don't give a flying shit what was promised.. not once, but twice? Via a contractual obligation? Simply because you like the product?

That sounds legit.

Negatron, i dont consider them in breach since the product never failed to support the version of those poker sites at that time. But those poker sites are no longer the same, they have added new features, new UI's, and new game modes. In my opinion it is the poker sites who are at fault, not TN. So the developers of TN designed a new product for the next generation of poker sites. If those poker sites continued to run their older version of their networks then I would expect TN to work on them.

tn so uselessand and now they charge more money haha

So you actually thought you were going to get updates till the day you die?