BBvBU minraise defense

we are in the BB, facing 2x open from the BU. (6max)

lets assume hes opening somewhere around 50-70% range.

how wide of a range are you defending assuming villain is a random reg, same skill level as us or slightly worse.

lets say it doesnt matter whether you flat or 3bet for starters, just how wide are you playing back.

what about something like this:



discuss..

There's no such thing as a random reg and situations change constantly so I think you're wasting your time with things like this.

On March 15 2013 15:33 SleepyHead wrote: There's no such thing as a random reg and situations change constantly so I think you're wasting your time with things like this.

I disagree. This is exact work you should do outside playing

hmm 50-70% minraising? you should be defending around 50%-60% imo if you think you have a slight edge or equal in postflop.


vs100% minopeners most regs defend 75%+, some defend close to 100% oop, they like 3 to 1 odds

I struggle with this as well, especially when you 3bet wide to 8bb and they 4bet to 8-9bb I get often owned as the stacks get awkward and I don't want to play 4bet pot oop
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There are pretty much 3 scenarios if you want to generalise
A) Regs that 4bet a lot more than call
-3b 22+AK shove over 4bet, flat hands
B) Regs that call alot but 4bet a narrow range
- 3b top14% hands flat rest. Trouble is that flatting range becomes weak and he can barrel the fuck out of us if we adjust this way
C) balanced regs tat do both at s good rate

It's tough to play OOP against a well balanced opponent, I can't see how you can defend the range %wise as they are stealing with oO
Basically tighten up and be happy they are on your right and you have position most of the time?

i'd rather have 34s 23s than 74s but that hand selection looks pretty good.

As stroggoz indicated getting 3:1 you don't need much equity (25%). With any hand you basically have that %. Sauce is 100% vpip from both sides of the puck

And I sucks against it cause most microregs that do it have a blatant leak so I can play OOP easily, not sure what's the bet default strategy vs random reg.

Vs a minraise def-ranges should probably be wider unless they tend to barrel a lot and such.

i think you have too much unsuited shit and not enough suited stuff but 50% sounds about right vs 50-70%

vs 100 i wouldnt go 100 but would probably go in the 75 range like stroggoz said

throw in all the other suited hands aswell and it looks decent

vs a minraise closeing the action u can defend a shit ton, u can atleast defend as much as they are opening as a simple guideline

tho on smaller stakes i would probably keep it a lil tighter if ur not gonna be to good of a postflopplayer

On March 15 2013 21:56 longple wrote: throw in all the other suited hands aswell and it looks decent vs a minraise closeing the action u can defend a shit ton, u can atleast defend as much as they are opening as a simple guideline tho on smaller stakes i would probably keep it a lil tighter if ur not gonna be to good of a postflopplayer

How would you start widening ur ranges/playing postflop?

I'm used to playing ppl who steal 30-40% on BU so I can defend top 15-20%, but I have a really hard time playing weak hands OOP against wide ranges.

Like we c/c Q7s, on a A36r can we really do anything vs anyone who isnt completely retarded/scared money?

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On March 15 2013 23:44 GoTuNk wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 21:56 longple wrote: throw in all the other suited hands aswell and it looks decent vs a minraise closeing the action u can defend a shit ton, u can atleast defend as much as they are opening as a simple guideline tho on smaller stakes i would probably keep it a lil tighter if ur not gonna be to good of a postflopplayer How would you start widening ur ranges/playing postflop? I'm used to playing ppl who steal 30-40% on BU so I can defend top 15-20%, but I have a really hard time playing weak hands OOP against wide ranges. Like we c/c Q7s, on a A36r can we really do anything vs anyone who isnt completely retarded/scared money?

u should call alot more from the bb, u cant fold 85-80% in the BB thats just way to tight

and dont ch/call Q7 on A36r wtf

On March 16 2013 01:13 longple wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 23:44 GoTuNk wrote:   On March 15 2013 21:56 longple wrote: throw in all the other suited hands aswell and it looks decent vs a minraise closeing the action u can defend a shit ton, u can atleast defend as much as they are opening as a simple guideline tho on smaller stakes i would probably keep it a lil tighter if ur not gonna be to good of a postflopplayer How would you start widening ur ranges/playing postflop? I'm used to playing ppl who steal 30-40% on BU so I can defend top 15-20%, but I have a really hard time playing weak hands OOP against wide ranges. Like we c/c Q7s, on a A36r can we really do anything vs anyone who isnt completely retarded/scared money? u should call alot more from the bb, u cant fold 85-80% in the BB thats just way to tight and dont ch/call Q7 on A36r wtf

lol I meant we call pre. On flop we are fucked, guess folding is easy, we only need 25% equity after all, so we fold bottom of our range?

Folding 80% is ok against tight opening ranges. Like if opp is raising KK-AA we can fold everything but aces comfortably. I don't fold that much, but I don't defend 50% or more against anyone I think (which is a mistake against someone opening any2 right?)

Got another interesting question. How much does defense ratio changes from bb/sb? more important, how do you come up with an answer? .s

What range would you 3bet and what flat guys?

any idea what sort of loss rate we should be aiming for in the BB/SB?

+1

On March 15 2013 21:56 longple wrote: throw in all the other suited hands aswell and it looks decent vs a minraise closeing the action u can defend a shit ton, u can atleast defend as much as they are opening as a simple guideline tho on smaller stakes i would probably keep it a lil tighter if ur not gonna be to good of a postflopplayer

On March 15 2013 23:44 GoTuNk wrote: How would you start widening ur ranges/playing postflop? I'm used to playing ppl who steal 30-40% on BU so I can defend top 15-20%, but I have a really hard time playing weak hands OOP against wide ranges. Like we c/c Q7s, on a A36r can we really do anything vs anyone who isnt completely retarded/scared money?

this took me a while to figure out.

given we are getting pretty good price on the call pre, you dont have to play back on every flop and can x/fold decent amount.

what works for me:

figure out how much equity I want to play back - e.g. at least 2overs to a 2nd pair and 2 decent backdoor draws, or a GS to the nuts, ..

than find out whats the best way to play the hand - donk, x/call, x/raise ..

just experiment with it and find out what fits you best. for example i like to bluff lead low wet flops vs regs with good 2 overcards - like KhQs on 862ss - might be dumb move in theory but works for me, I get suprisingly lot of folds.

eestwood ty

Example: He steals 60% Buttons, very high cbet some 80%
Our play here?
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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 16, 05:35:43 ET 2013
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Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $84.90 USD - VPIP: 17, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 1.0, Hands: 108
Seat 2: Player2 $20.00 USD - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 3.7, Hands: 173
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Seat 6: Hero $52.71 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 3.5, Hands: 629153
Player5 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$1.00 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]

Flop (Pot : $2.25)

   
Hero checks
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Hero:

Good spot to c/r 3 barrel if u do c/r qj kq there u can also have nfd two pair of sets if u dont reraise 99 pre q9 q2 and u have all the bds

On March 16 2013 17:53 LemOn[5thF] wrote: - wen he likely cbets, can we c/r with the backdoors with plan to barrel clubs and diamonds?

On March 16 2013 18:03 locoo wrote: Good spot to c/r 3 barrel if u do c/r qj kq there u can also have nfd two pair of sets if u dont reraise 99 pre q9 q2 and u have all the bds

very good post

hmm 50-70% minraising? you should be defending around 50%-60% imo if you think you have a slight edge or equal in postflop.


vs100% minopeners most regs defend 75%+, some defend close to 100% oop, they like 3 to 1 odds

On March 30 2013 08:03 smithseoooo wrote: hmm 50-70% minraising? you should be defending around 50%-60% imo if you think you have a slight edge or equal in postflop. vs100% minopeners most regs defend 75%+, some defend close to 100% oop, they like 3 to 1 odds

Stop copying post #4. Capiche

would you adjust your range for a full ring game?

On March 31 2013 21:08 GameOverNoob wrote: would you adjust your range for a full ring game?

I think there's minimal difference, just blockers issue - BU's range bit stronger due to more ppl folded before him in FR than 6max

The advice locoo gave was enlightening. I think that one thought will make me a ton of money. You're wonderful brotha.

Keep it coming

prob would counter locoo's post by saying you need to think about what c/r flop this wide does to your ranges on turns; do some work in CREV or something and try and find some ranges to think about c/c flop c/r turn with esp when villains are cognisant enough to realise ur defending BB so wide.

On March 15 2013 16:26 AndrewSong wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 15:33 SleepyHead wrote: There's no such thing as a random reg and situations change constantly so I think you're wasting your time with things like this. I disagree. This is exact work you should do outside playing