North Korea Has Gone Completely Insane - Page 4

On March 29 2013 22:43 NewbSaibot wrote: Believe it or not, some people really do have a moral compass, and all this war mongering sensationalism that people see in America is kinda proven false, since we arent going around taking over countries at our whim. Hitler would have done away with NK a long time ago. The USA? We actually dont want that. /in b4 baseless accusations about 9/11 retaliation or taking all of Iraq's oil while I pay $4.20/gallon at the pump.

i think that a lot of Americans see America as a country governed by people with no moral compass. Just look at the congress approval ratings, and also the fact that 30% of americans think 9/11 was an inside job (it wasn't obviously, but that shows that 30% of americans think that the government is capable of it) The true horror of our civilization is that people feel helpless to change the system when they know that it's fucked. Hitler could only dream of having the level of obedience and indoctrination that democratic countries have today.

first time i ever really liked things floofy had to say.

NK position in a geopolitical sense is 100% a balance in the pacific theatre. if you can put yourself in China's shoes and imagine how it looks from the inside looking out they are effectively surrounded by hostile US and US allied military bases and naval troops. NK serves China by balancing that.

However, at the same time, China also prefers the status quo in NK because were it to undergo a dramatic regime change or occupation there would be a large economic crisis. Were SK to 'absorb' NK it would bankrupt SK as the infrastructure is not up to par and the vast majority of NK citizens would likely want to migrate to either SK or China in order to 'seek a better life' as people do. In short, an abrupt end to the NK situation would probably be a giant economic clusterfuck. The same reasons China prefer the status quo apply to Russia as well to a lesser extent.

All that being said, I have no idea why NK is going so bonkers and why the media appears to be somewhat sensationalizing it. A friend in S. Korea recently told me that he feels that the average Korean's concern with NK or possible military conflict on a 1-10 scale right now is a solid 1. I know that's pretty anecdotal but interesting nonetheless. Either S. Korea media isn't pandering to this situation as much as the western media is or S. Korean's just for whatever reason take N. Korea far less seriously as a threat than the rest of us.

Either way, I'm personally nervous about how this would play out. Even if in a best case scenario S. Korea absorbs NK with minimal violence.... then what?

On March 29 2013 23:59 Stroggoz wrote: [QUOTE]On March 29 2013 22:43 NewbSaibot wrote: i think that a lot of Americans see America as a country governed by people with no moral compass. Just look at the congress approval ratings, and also the fact that 30% of americans think 9/11 was an inside job (it wasn't obviously, but that shows that 30% of americans think that the government is capable of it) The true horror of our civilization is that people feel helpless to change the system when they know that it's fucked. Hitler could only dream of having the level of obedience and indoctrination that democratic countries have today.

Sorry about the double post.

As an American, I don't think the American population is so much obedient or indoctrinated for the most part so much as pacified by a very easy lifestyle. Things just aren't even close to bad enough to get people striking/protesting/marching with regularity let alone outright fighting the powers that be in an organized fashion, and this will probably never happen so long as it's as easy at it is to get by.

I think most Americans actually do feel a sense of being trapped as a mini-cog in a gigantic machine and don't know a good way out. The vast majority of people my age don't even vote, the small percent (20%?) that do are probably the 20% that are brainwash indoctrinated into thinking that the candidates they choose whether local/state/national will actually have any real impact on the status quo.

Personally, I blame the two party system and lobby network for encouraging candidates to have similar goals with regards to getting elected and maintaining office, but that view is controversial. Either way, as it stands now in the U.S. people from both parties have to make the same types of people happy in order to do their jobs effectively while appealing to trivial hot topics that rely on emotions rather than logic to secure votes of the unintelligent (abortion, gay rights, blablabla). I'm not saying gay rights and abortion aren't a big fucking deal, but what I am saying is all the politicians on either side know damn well there is little they can do to change those things on a macro level, and the things they will actually do in office fall in line with where the money needs to go.

Mega off topic semi-uneducated hugely opinionated rant above, please forgive me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21979127

"it has begun"

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On March 30 2013 05:59 idonotremember wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21979127 "it has begun"

no it hasnt, only words are flying

when they actually start firing, then rebump this thread, till then its all just clueless assumptions

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they live in alternate reality, and you dont get it, its a show AND YOU HAVE TO be part of it

Kim John Un probably believes a lot of the show himself. He is the third generation ruler of a country that heavily indoctrinates it's upper/middle class. so i wouldn't be surprised if he bought everything their state media and his advisers tell him. I mean, they would all want to believe it so they can keep on living the good life. The power structure in north korea allows for the most loyal/unquestioning to become the most influential, and the most questioning/unloyal to be sent to the gulag. Anyway, just my speculation

I might post some stuff on america later nolan but not in this thread.

Would like to read what you have to say Stroggoz. Glad nolan provides input into LP as well.

I'm not quite sure if I buy that the absorbtion of NK by SK would bankrupt the country although I'm sure you have more knowledge on this topic. I guess I just think of East and West Berlin/Germany and IIRC the adoption of Pro-Business capitalism provided a way for the former communist sector a way to rapidly catch up economically.

Also, Nk could be absorbed in a phase/tiered way, where they are just left alone or minimally supported to plant the seeds of free-trade, education, industrialization etc

Cheap labor. Natural resource abundance and all that land area for almost unlimited industrialization - yes SK would absolutely be decimated if NK collapses and assimilates with them to form 1 unified korea

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ng-china-mobilizing-troops-jets-near/

On April 01 2013 16:31 Gnarly wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ng-china-mobilizing-troops-jets-near/

could be a lot of reasons for this tho. I doubt china is actually planning to war USA.

capaneo is one racist midget

On April 01 2013 17:31 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2013 16:31 Gnarly wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ng-china-mobilizing-troops-jets-near/ could be a lot of reasons for this tho. I doubt china is actually planning to war USA.

It doesn't matter if they are planning to, they must react to show that they will honor their treaties. If we attack, they must respond. If they attack, we must respond. I highly doubt the US or China will strike first, nor SK, but NK.... The only wild card I can see. Russia might be a dick here and there, and Japan will defend themselves, but everyone must show they will honor their words.

China isnt about to go to war with their biggest debtor. China puts the brakes on NK long before NK actually does anything since they know we wont give a fuck and will smash the shit out of them if necessary and China really resents the idea of even more western military presence in their neighborhood. NK is just trying to avoid a civil war on their hands as soon as their population starts questioning the credibility of their government.

On April 01 2013 18:22 NewbSaibot wrote: China isnt about to go to war with their biggest debtor. China puts the brakes on NK long before NK actually does anything since they know we wont give a fuck and will smash the shit out of them if necessary and China really resents the idea of even more western military presence in their neighborhood. NK is just trying to avoid a civil war on their hands as soon as their population starts questioning the credibility of their government.

It's not that China does want to. If we attack, they MUST attack. You may think you know what NK will do, but you can only assume. If NK attacks, we must attack. This is how treaties work.

Oh of course we will attack, but China will not intervene because they cant afford to have us just say "lol fuck you" and stop paying. We've already been to war with NK once, and it did not end up being a war with China despite China's assistance.

On April 01 2013 21:27 NewbSaibot wrote: Oh of course we will attack, but China will not intervene because they cant afford to have us just say "lol fuck you" and stop paying. We've already been to war with NK once, and it did not end up being a war with China despite China's assistance.

Do you not understand how treaties work? If we attack NK, if they attacked first or not, China MUST respond. If they don't, then every other treaty they currently have will be worthless, and they won't be able to get into any new treaties because they will have shown the entire world that their word is worthless. Whenever the first Korean war happened, they were not in a treaty. They only entered AFTER we left, and quite a few years after. They are CURRENTLY in a treaty with NK. In 2021, they either renew or they don't. Maybe things can be held off until then, but until then, China must honor it's word.

bro that's gnarly