Party Poker Lobby Riggedness - Page 3

On March 01 2013 12:11 DustySwedeDude wrote: Poker sites have absolutely no use of winning grinders unless they win money from players on other skins.

This isn't true. Regs are the ones who pay the most rake. Fish usually bust or cashout to avoid losing all of their money(if they run good).

The best scenario for a poker site is a bunch of regs playing multiple tables playing breakeven or slightly losing poker. This allows them to rake the maximum.

Regs also keep games alive, until weaker players have the chance to sit.

On March 01 2013 08:30 handbanana21 wrote: I would be down for a ranking system based off winrate. Just like chess, checkers, all skill games.. Give the bad player an opportunity to see who hes playing with. Just have the ranking pts on the side of each players screen name. Its alot better than not giving everyone a fair chance to play.

Nlhe would die in a week, hyper turbos and plo slightly slower i guess

terrible

To be fair, game quality fluctuates immensly between days... For plo anyway. There are times when games are lol soft, and days when unplayable (sundays)

PLO pool isn't segregated, but maybe some regs cashed out.

On March 02 2013 15:06 goose58 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 12:11 DustySwedeDude wrote: Poker sites have absolutely no use of winning grinders unless they win money from players on other skins. This isn't true. Regs are the ones who pay the most rake. Fish usually bust or cashout to avoid losing all of their money(if they run good). The best scenario for a poker site is a bunch of regs playing multiple tables playing breakeven or slightly losing poker. This allows them to rake the maximum. Regs also keep games alive, until weaker players have the chance to sit.

You don't get it. Regs don't keep games alive, depositing players (fish) do. If there were only regs playing poker eventually all the money in players' accounts would run out because no-one would deposit.

they are just ruining the games by this move, in the long run if players play other of similar skill they will get all the BR

On March 02 2013 16:38 OoozeDonatin wrote: if players play other of similar skill they will get all the BR

that's the point
fuck them imo

On March 02 2013 16:11 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2013 15:06 goose58 wrote:   On March 01 2013 12:11 DustySwedeDude wrote: Poker sites have absolutely no use of winning grinders unless they win money from players on other skins. This isn't true. Regs are the ones who pay the most rake. Fish usually bust or cashout to avoid losing all of their money(if they run good). The best scenario for a poker site is a bunch of regs playing multiple tables playing breakeven or slightly losing poker. This allows them to rake the maximum. Regs also keep games alive, until weaker players have the chance to sit. You don't get it. Regs don't keep games alive, depositing players (fish) do. If there were only regs playing poker eventually all the money in players' accounts would run out because no-one would deposit.

Yea, fish supply the money, but they don't pay much rake. Their money goes to the better players who continually play and rake and re-rake that money.

You didn't think that Stars gives RB and supernova+elite bonuses out of the goodness of their heart did you?

you forget that without money supply, there will be no rake

Without depositing players, there is no online poker.

like I say in threads about too much rake, party are a business and the goal of a business is maximize profit. there's no obligation to let pros be able to make money. if its not in your interest as a customer simply stop playing there. let the free market decide whether their business model works. you wouldn't go to an online blackjack site and express outrage that their games aren't set up in a way that lets you win in the long run.

The main shady thing tho which I think it's legit to be angry about is how party are keeping this quiet and hoping people wouldn't notice. but if you've been around online poker for any length of time you'd already know party aren't exactly famed for how they treat their players.

Now here's another side of the coin you should appreciate: what would you think about this feature as a recreational player? I'd be loving it, it would be a much more enjoyable experience than the shark infested waters at pokerstars. this kind of thing could hit your bottom line indirectly if you don't even play on party if recs on other sites hear about this change and switch to party. for this reason you should be happy party aren't exactly advertising this 'feature' in big bright letters, but that you know about it.

see you soon on stars, ex-pp regs!

On March 01 2013 12:11 DustySwedeDude wrote: Poker sites have absolutely no use of winning grinders unless they win money from players on other skins. If they have enough fish other people will show up and as long the fish gets whatever action he wants the sites don't give a shit if you are playing there.

If this was the argument they should have banned the HU bumhunters a long time ago (Or just closed the HU tables completly, since there are ONLY bumhunter vs fish action at them anyway. The same fish could go to ring games)

Btw I still have hopes that one day the poker sites will do what Everest / Pokerstars did... Put all the HU tables below their ring game lobby (Or everest put them into an isolated lobby).


Or just get like... max 6 tables per limit... let the regs fight for those tables and we will get some interesting matches too ! The Ongame lobby where the fish has to browse throu 36 HU tables with no action to find a ring game is sooooooooo SOOOO terrible ((((( Makes me want to puke really

My impression is that the sites love 12-24 tabling regs that chase rakeback/bonuses/rakeraces and will do anything to attract these guys to their site

The current decline of fish constantly depositing is what caused this. Regs do only one thing, which is mostly withdraw monthly - this and thin deposits = screw the regs obv.

The online poker business has a ton of overhead, and poker's popularity died 3 years ago, you can't expect sites to continue operating like they did in the early 2000s. The money has to come from somewhere, if not, they have to cut back on perks or keep the fish excited by playing against other bad fish.

Bottom line - poker is a card game and it was not really meant to be an "online business"and somebody's job forever. These businesses would rather close shop in a dying market than give very low rake due the very unstable and expensive nature of running such a business.

Make plans. The very elite and most determined of players are the only ones who should continue playing poker as their main source of income because it is just going to get worse in the coming years,

sites love break even regs, they just dont like people who cash out alot of money so they try to force everyone playing ev0 game, that move by pp was scummy as fuck have no idea how some of you think its a good thing LOL

On March 03 2013 04:48 VanDerMeyde wrote: My impression is that the sites love 12-24 tabling regs that chase rakeback/bonuses/rakeraces and will do anything to attract these guys to their site

Your impression is neither right or wrong, I think. It depends. As long as room is able to supply a lot of casuals it's all great. But when casuals runs out then problem begins. Casuals are "eaten" very fast, regs don't play with each other therefore games aren't running very often and not enough rake is made.

Stars is basically only site that doesn't have to make that big changes in favor of casuals and themselves, yet. For now they've changed only method of calculating rake, I believe. But I'm positive they will. It's just a matter of time: more markets closing, more licensees costs, even shittier economy and so on. I bet Stars changes their VIP in benefit of casuals and themselves in 3-4 years tops. Maybe for something similar to FTP so everyone gets 20-25% rakeback (and more in casual-happy promotions) instead of 5-10% for casuals and 50-75% or so for regs.

On March 01 2013 14:44 Daut wrote: Great idea party! Let's encourage regs to multiaccount to keep having new names that can play on fish tables.

Didn't read whole thread, but this was my first thought.

All this is going to do is cause a multi accounting explosion, which is terrible for everyone.

completely OT: all hail stars for sure, but
don't forget 888 is also doing a lot better recently by having genuine good management; they're not stars, but a lot of the stuff they are doing makes a ton of sense. 888 also improved their catering to fish by improving the fisheg ratio on the tables by not allowing regs to masstable.
Seeing as how 888 is not a major site, this makes perfect sense as most regs probably play multiple sites if they care enough, while fish enjoy not waiting forever for a reg to act.

On March 03 2013 15:57 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 14:44 Daut wrote: Great idea party! Let's encourage regs to multiaccount to keep having new names that can play on fish tables. Didn't read whole thread, but this was my first thought. All this is going to do is cause a multi accounting explosion, which is terrible for everyone.

Not gonna happen. Reevaluation and assigning to a higher pool if you're winning takes place very quickly. 10k hands max.