1Milllion USD Challenge - Cao vs Antonius

Rui Cao and Patrik Antonius just agreed to play a $1,000,000 challenge at NLHE, PLO and 2-7...

Patrik Antonius: ok
Rui Cao: by the way
Rui Cao: wanna play a challenge?*
Rui Cao: lets say 1M freeezeout NL PLO and deuce?*
Patrik Antonius: it depents what kind of
Patrik Antonius: this would be online?
Rui Cao: yes
Patrik Antonius: i would do that
Rui Cao: ok lets say next tuesday?
Rui Cao: so i can wire the money
Rui Cao: ok
Rui Cao: lets do 300 deuce
Rui Cao: 100 BB
Rui Cao: 400 plo
Rui Cao: 10 buy ins
Rui Cao: 200 400
Patrik Antonius: i dont know the day so far i can play but we can agee to do the challenge
Rui Cao: 300 holdem
Rui Cao: can u be sure u can do it?
Rui Cao: so i wire the money
Patrik Antonius: yes i can give you my word on it
Rui Cao: ok 300 at 200 400 nl
Rui Cao: 400 plo
Rui Cao: 300 deuce
Rui Cao: ok?
Patrik Antonius: how about 400 in holdem 300 in deuce and 300 in plo?
Rui Cao: 350 holdem 350 plo
Rui Cao: 300 DEUCE
System: The $1,500 Super Turbo Guarantee ($10+$0.65 NL Hold'em) will be starting in 4 minutes.
Rui Cao: its fair i think
Patrik Antonius: ok thats fair
Rui Cao: do you have
Rui Cao: skype
Rui Cao: or whatever so we can discuss
Rui Cao: some things
Patrik Antonius: yes can you get my phone number from someone so i can give you my skype then?
Rui Cao: yep
Rui Cao: tom?
Patrik Antonius: ok
Rui Cao: ok
Rui Cao: lets play my last 50 here
Rui Cao: for today

Sick challenge... Cao has been/is playing the big games in Macao but 1M challenge seems real big!
Also Antonius just took Cao for 200k today...

http://www.highstakesdb.com/3589-patr...o-battle-next-week-for-1-million.aspx

to most pros million dollar challenge is big deal, to isildur its called a monday

how does a challenge like this work, what does it mean when they say 400 holdem for e.g? first to be up 400k?

and how do you win, what if one wins holdem other wins plo?

On January 31 2013 10:55 TalentedTom wrote: to most pros million dollar challenge is big deal, to isildur its called a slow tuesday

Who's Rul Cao? Never heard of him.

Rui Cao is PepperoniF on PokerStars and "Rui Cao" on FTP.
He used to be a red pro on FTP. French player who specializes in PLO. He's really close friend with seb86 and Seb Luneau who are both considered to be in the top 5 in world players of 2-7 triple draw.

Rui Cao:
http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles/pokerstars/PepperoniF.aspx
http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles/Rui-Cao.aspx

Seb86:
http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles/Seb86.aspx
http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles/pokerstars/Seb86.aspx

Luneau:
http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles/Alexonmoon.aspx
http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles/pokerstars/BiatchPeople.aspx

Note that 2-7 was not tracked until a couple of month ago by HSDB. Luneau first got famous when he had a +3mil month at 2-7 on FTP prior to BF. So I believe the 2 Sebs are up many more millions than what is reflected on their HSDB stats.

patrik is an underdog here

Is he really? Patrik is pretty good at PLO and I think might be stronger at NL (which is obv why he wanted to weight it on NL)

for that much money i'd be really paranoid that the other guy is getting sweats in their non-specialist games. and for example someone in this thread says rui is buddies with the best triple draw players in the world who would assuredly enjoy 1.5/3k action from antonius.

its hard to call people favorites and underdogs considering the "structure". 10 buyins here, 100 bets there. these are relatively small swings with 2 high variance players. id imagine patrik has the edge in NL, but rui has the edge in PLO and a big edge in 2-7. patrik seems bad at 2-7 and rui would be a favorite there even without help from his friends. the possibility of his friends helping only adds to his edge

They often said in the past that they would sweat each other to learn from the others i.e Rui would watch them playing 2-7 and the Sebs would watch him play PLO.

That's how Rui got good at 2-7 and the Sebs improved their PLO game. But from what we know from Rui, he is not the type of guy that would take an unfair advantage (by being sweat by the Sebs) because he has this "gambling gene" and thrives on challenges/big games.

Also, the 2 Sebs have a rule of never playing at the same table because they don't want to play each other/gain unfair advantage (even though not many 2-7 tables ever run at the stakes they play). So I doubt they would help Rui "cheating" Patryk here.

GO RUINED COW~

triple draw is actually fun to watch gogoog

ive played a bit with pepperonif at triple draw(obv not super high), and he was pretty good, but I think antonius probably got the edge

On February 01 2013 05:29 BadGoNe wrote: They often said in the past that they would sweat each other to learn from the others i.e Rui would watch them playing 2-7 and the Sebs would watch him play PLO. That's how Rui got good at 2-7 and the Sebs improved their PLO game. But from what we know from Rui, he is not the type of guy that would take an unfair advantage (by being sweat by the Sebs) because he has this "gambling gene" and thrives on challenges/big games. Also, the 2 Sebs have a rule of never playing at the same table because they don't want to play each other/gain unfair advantage (even though not many 2-7 tables ever run at the stakes they play). So I doubt they would help Rui "cheating" Patryk here.

seb luneau? two sebs? whatlol.. there is one seb (seb86) and the other guy (biatchpeople) is called alex luneau

I dont get the structure.
Are they playing 10bi overall?

Also whatsup with the durrrr challenge. FTP s up again

Rui Cao: ok lets say next tuesday?

has it happened yet or it next week?

I've read some hungarian news portal that claimed Rui Cao winning TD, taking PA for 300k or 350k, cant remember.

On February 06 2013 09:09 TalentedTom wrote: Rui Cao: ok lets say next tuesday? has it happened yet or it next week?

http://www.highstakesdb.com/3611-rui-cao-tops-leader-board-after-antonius-tussle-at-triple-draw-wins-448k.aspx Triple Draw seems done, rest remaining.

330k? I thought it was 300k Triple, 350 others

I think it's entirely possible that 300k is from Antonius, but he played other games as well and finished up another 30.

So durrr just won 2M million in the last week.

Isildur and durrr are both at +1.5M for the year. I predict nuclear war.

On February 07 2013 18:48 Balzamon wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2013 09:09 TalentedTom wrote: Rui Cao: ok lets say next tuesday? has it happened yet or it next week? http://www.highstakesdb.com/3611-rui-cao-tops-leader-board-after-antonius-tussle-at-triple-draw-wins-448k.aspx Triple Draw seems done, rest remaining.

Apparently this was not part of the challenge.

The "real" challenge started just now. They are playing 2 tables of 200/400 NLHE

Rui Cao: so
FinddaGrind: we will play nl holdem 300 600 blinds untill one of us is up more than 350k and we will play minimum 100 bb deep right?
Rui Cao: 200 400
FinddaGrind: same for PLO?
Rui Cao: 200 400 no?
Rui Cao: I said no for 300 600 not enough BIs
Rui Cao: 200 400 is better and it wont last too long if we 2 tables
FinddaGrind: we can start with 200 400 but if it looks like it will go too slow then we need to kick it up to 300 600
FinddaGrind: i will have one week to finnish this challenge
Rui Cao: ill be here to play everyday
Rui Cao: if we put enough hours its gonna be enough time
FinddaGrind: i just dont wanna play one day for 3-4 days possibly since the 8 game is running every day
Rui Cao: I don't want it to be flipping
Rui Cao: 300 600 with 350K us is just almost nothing
Rui Cao: even 200 400 is going to be fast
Rui Cao: i mean 8.5 BIs
Rui Cao: you swing that easily in a couple thousand hands
FinddaGrind: ok we will start with 200 400 i hope that will go fast
Rui Cao: ok
Rui Cao: if it last too long
Rui Cao: we will change
FinddaGrind: but what will we do if we are still playin the first game after 3 days?????
Rui Cao: kick it up
FinddaGrind: ok deal
Rui Cao: plo and deuce
Rui Cao: is going to be much faster
FinddaGrind: 2-7 we will play one table 1500 - 3k limit
Rui Cao: oh and if I get disconnected or you do
Rui Cao: lets wait a bit
FinddaGrind: untill someone is up more than 300k
Rui Cao: my connection here is bad
Rui Cao: yes and 300K bonus if no scoop
Rui Cao: for the winner
Rui Cao: ok
FinddaGrind: yes gentlemen rules if someone gets disconnected you need to wait as long as you can to bet ok?
Rui Cao: 2 tables NL and PLO 1 table of deuce
Rui Cao: ok
FinddaGrind: also i want to confirm the added money
Rui Cao: yes
FinddaGrind: if you scoop you will naturally win 1m
Rui Cao: 300K bonus to the winner if no scoop
FinddaGrind: yes if you win with 2-1 result then loser will transfer 300k for the winner
Rui Cao: yes
FinddaGrind: ok i will see you in nl table
FinddaGrind: i will need max 5min

Antonius C/R flop, bet turn and shoves river. Cao folds river.
antonius up ~40k with medium pots without any showdown

Antonius fires all streets and cao calls down.

Next hand:

Antonius 3bet to 2.8k, cao 4bets to 6.4k, antonius 5bet to 14.4k, cao shoves 40k:

Cao 3bet PF, leads flop and turn and check/fold river to antonius 22k bet

Antonius 3 barrels and fold to Cao C/R (antonius bet 8k and folded to 24k raise river)

Cao 4bet to 6k PF. bet flop and bet 11k turn and antonius folded

Antonius fires all streets and cao calls down

Antonius seems to win most of the small/medium pots with no showdown. Up ~30k so far

Cao 3 barrels bluff and Antonius calls down

Cao 3bet PF to 2.8k and bet 3.2k flop and bet 7k into 12k pot on turn. Antonius raises allin turn.

After not even an hour play of NLHE

They are now starting 1 table of 2-7 at 1.5k/3k limits

I won't post 2-7 hands tough because quite annoying to post

cao down about 100k so far in 2-7

Cao recovered and down only 50k. Antonius is in for his original 100k stack only.

They ended their 2-7 with Cao a ~40k winner

thanks for screens/updates again!

tyvm ,was actually really interesting reading updates

Yes, solid updates tyty

well, looks like Cao lost the challenge already
http://www.highstakesdb.com/3633-patr...illion-challenge-against-rui-cao.aspx

He lost the 2-7 and PLO part already. Only left with the NLHE part to be finished.

If Cao loses NL, he will have lost 1M total to Antonius, and if he wins it, he will have to give 300k to Antonius for bonus.
So for Antonius it's either a 1M win or 950k win...

650k, he'd be -300 from the NL.

On February 19 2013 13:08 Oly wrote: 650k, he'd be -300 from the NL.

Hmm no. Like Kingpowa said: if Cao wins NLHE part, total it would be: +650k for Antonius.
But they agreed that if someones doesn't scoop (wins all 3 part of the challenge), the loser still has to ship back 300k$ to the overall winner.

So all in all Cao lost at least 950k even if the challenge is not finished yet. At least I understood it like Kingpowa from the convo they had when they agreed on the terms of the challenge.

On February 19 2013 14:39 BadGoNe wrote: Show nested quote + On February 19 2013 13:08 Oly wrote: 650k, he'd be -300 from the NL. if Cao wins NLHE part, total it would be: +650k for Antonius.

This is where you go wrong. He would be +650k before playing NLH (as is the current situation). Then lose 300k at NLH and be at +350k, then receive a transfer for 300k and be back to 650.

oly fuck, simple math and i'm lost...
thx oly !

lol my bad then I can't count

I've got a sneaking suspicion that just possibly cao and antonius made the same mistake when arranging this. Surely not?!

well there are 2 possibilities, so you are both right.

1) antonius up the 650k, and they decide not to play the NL (and there is no 300k forfeiture) and antonius collects the 300k bet, and wins 950k

2) antonius is up the 650k, decide not to play NL (and antonius agrees to forfeit or lose 300k) to still finish up as the winner, and collects the bet, bringing him to 650k.


all in all, since antonius is winning, if / when they decide to avoid finishing the NLHE section of their challenge, i cannot see antonius agreeing to give up 300k, especially since he would likely think he would win that amount.

i think hes probably going to win $1 million, and the reason that the 300k bet was added on was so that if the winner didnt scoop, it would still be a ~1million swing to the winner of the challenge (in this case, at least)