That's funny because Christianity is an incredibly narcissistic way to live. To believe that God is looking out for your interests is absurd considering how many other people there out there and how he can't possibly satisfy all. Christians have this uncanny confidence in their belief. To them, God is right behind them and that's why you get so many that feel self-righteous in whatever they say, because they essentially are convinced that "god" is backing them up.
Also, are you really okay being able to "lie" to yourself? I don't know about you, but i can't do that. That seems psychotic to knowingly go against reason.
There's so much wrong with this, it's scary.
honestly, you sound like a 16 year old.
Really? What did i say that was immature or off-based? Is it a healthy, honest way to think to knowingly go against reason by "pretending" to believe like the person i originally quoted had suggested? Did you even read what he said? What exactly do you disagree with me about? I guess i'll reiterate: Are Christians not incredibly narcissistic when they pray for god to give them a promotion from their job while thousands of children die a day of starvation? How does this type of mentality not make one self-righteous? After all, they actually believe they talk to "god" and that god is looking out for them self. This is fact. What exactly is so juvenile about these points that you felt compelled to call me a 16 year old? Sounds to me like you're offended for whatever reason and you chose to attack me, rather than my argument which is a classic juvenile move yourself.
Here is a lecture that is extremely relevant to the discussion. However, the part i especially want to show you, describing a bit of how narcissism is promoted through Christianity, comes from 4:17 - 6:25.
Never mind though, i checked back your earlier posts in the thread, i'll go ahead and ignore you now. Your baseless accusation is clearly an attack at me rather than my words. Given your little back and forth w Taco earlier in the thread, It's clear that you're are not here to learn anything new, but only to reinforce your already solidified (stupid) beliefs after all.
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brambolius Netherlands. Aug 16 2012 13:39. Posts 1708
"Are Christians not incredibly narcissistic when they pray for god to give them a promotion from their job while thousands of children die a day of starvation? How does this type of mentality not make one self-righteous? After all, they actually believe they talk to "god" and that god is looking out for them self. This is fact."
There you go again. A "christian" is not the same as a mars candybar, twelve a pack.
And for your information, I don't have a religion.
Also you might want to look up the difference between christianity and roman catholicism before running your mouth off on the internet.
And once more, just to be sure, I don't have a religion.
I do believe in certain things like fire burns, don't put your hand in it for too long.
Is this the kind of solidified, stupid belief of mine that you are referring to ?
If not, please elaborate.
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Syntax United States. Aug 16 2012 14:05. Posts 4415
On August 16 2012 12:39 brambolius wrote:
"Are Christians not incredibly narcissistic when they pray for god to give them a promotion from their job while thousands of children die a day of starvation? How does this type of mentality not make one self-righteous? After all, they actually believe they talk to "god" and that god is looking out for them self. This is fact."
There you go again. A "christian" is not the same as a mars candybar, twelve a pack.
And for your information, I don't have a religion.
Also you might want to look up the difference between christianity and roman catholicism before running your mouth off on the internet.
And once more, just to be sure, I don't have a religion.
I do believe in certain things like fire burns, don't put your hand in it for too long.
Is this the kind of solidified, stupid belief of mine that you are referring to ?
If not, please elaborate.
I'm sure Christianity and Catholicism are soooo different. /sarcasm - Common man, don't be dishonest here. You really didn't know that Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, genius? Lol and you talk, why?
But okay, you're right maybe it was premature of me to refer to beliefs since you have not stated any. (Though to be clear, i wasn't necessarily talking about religion, i just meant your state of mind.) Your arguments against others are backed by weak logic and assumptions and it shows when you constantly attack a person's character instead of their argument. You didn't answer anything to do with the content of what i said. All you did was attempt to deflect the point by saying all Christians are different. Which is true absolutely, but let's not be dishonest here, the fact is that, like many other groups of people that share common beliefs, there are still consistencies with that come from adopting a certain belief, wouldn't you say? Certain characteristics may arise of a certain group. I don't like to generalize, but the way the book teaches one how to think about their self is what i'm criticizing. I understand that there are a number of interpretations that one can have of the bible, but like i said, the fundamental understanding of it is that God is looking out for you. God cares about you. How do you explain the logic behind those who pray for what they want? They must think god is listening to them, right? Praying is something that is taught to be good in the bible. That's incredibly egotistical and self-deluded to believe that while suffering goes on in the world in the most horrific ways, God has a plan for you and he wants to make sure that YOU are safe.
While Sam Harris does make many interesting arguments he does not understand Catholicism, it is not as easy as picking up the Bible and being like oh well this is what Catholics believe and it is 100% literal. I say Catholic rather then Christian because there are many different branches and well shit Mormons and Jehovah Witness seem bat shit crazy to me. The Catholic idea of the after life is basically just basking in God's presence for entirety, hell is metaphorically the lake of fire and devils what it actually is, is the absence of God. Where Sam Harris goes wrong is his understanding of what it actually takes to get to hell, you have to reject God in the afterlife. So if you died and there was an afterlife and basically you have concrete evidence that God does exist you pretty much have to say no to God and throw him the finger to end up in hell. On a side note you don't actually go straight to heaven you spend time in Purgatory unless your an like a living saint or a innocent ( By innocent I mean you can't understand the concept of right or wrong for instance like a baby, young child, or perhaps someone with a mental disability)
So responding his questions of why does God punish people and let them suffer, kids are starving in Africa why doesn't he do something to help them? Why doesn't he stop terrorist from killing indiscriminately? Why does he let atrocities like the crusade be carried out in His name? I must have heard these questions a thousand times growing up and it simply comes down to FREE WILL. God gave man free will. You can help some of the kids in Africa granted you can't help them all but even if you helped one it's better then nothing right? When the terrorist bombs some peaceful civilians he made a choice to do that just like they made a choice to crusade down to Jerusalem. Every day you wake up your presented with options to something good to help your fellow man or to ignore the problem or even to be the problem itself.
He also goes on to say well why does God kill 10,000s of thousands of children in a tsunami and this is evil. The response well God works in Mysterious Ways I have to agree is a complete bullshit statement. However if you do believe in God then you believe in an afterlife. So Eternal Life with God > Mortal Life > Hell. I am sure you have heard well they are in a better place? If you actually believe in God they are in a better place and it's as simple as that. Of course we will be sad that our loved one has died due to "An Act of God", but have you ever noticed how sometimes a tragedy can actually bring out the best in the global community. It gives a chance to put aside everything and remind us that life is short, and to make the most of it and try to bring as much good to the world as possible.
I am going to go on to say I'd like to apologize on behalf of religious people every where for all the crazy fundamentalists religions have created. However if your an Atheist when you going to criticize a faith directly spend the time to actually understand it. Its kind of one of the first things I learned as a child and that was not to pray for selfish things, its actually kind of a sin. This is from the Vatican and its essentially a book that is continuously updated as to what a Catholic's core beliefs are
I'm sure Christianity and Catholicism are soooo different. /sarcasm - Common man, don't be dishonest here. You really didn't know that Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, genius? Lol and you talk, why?
There is huge theological differences between the branches. Catholics and Protestans differ over things like the Bible being the sole source of God's revelation to mankind and that the Pope is in charge, Protestans also believe in general absolution of there sins ( they go to church say some stuff and they are forgiven) Catholics have to go to confesion, and perform some kind of penance. Those are the closest European branches then there are the Greek Orthodox Church guys and I know they are some what similar but they didn't go to some council in like 3-800 AD so now they are really different. Mormon's have some different understand of what the Holy Spirit, Jesus and God are then most other Christians I don't understand it but its like there is three Gods, where most branches believe in 1 God but with 3 different aspects. Jehovah Witnesses believe only 40k ppl will make it to heaven yet they claim to have a total of 250k believers. They are all similar in that they believe Jesus was God but like that is where it ends really
On August 16 2012 15:05 FarmMylife wrote:
and well shit Mormons and Jehovah Witness seem bat shit crazy to me.
Pretty sure, historically speaking, taking in consideration burning people on a stake for being "heretics", crusdades and pedohilia, Catholics are the real bat shit crazy ones. But that's just humble opinion of course; i'm sure , like you said every tradgedy has a positivie, just curious what the positive might be in fucking a 10 year old kid might be. i'm sure you'll enlighten me on that one
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
I didn't realize pedophilia was exsclusive to Catholics. I could make the same argument that Athiest when given a chance to be in postions of power also have a track record of oppression and cruelty. Its been a long time since Catholics went on a crusade or burnt a heritic at the stake but the strictly athiest states of USSR China and North Korea havent really been shinning examples of what a group of athiests can do. Its indivuals that rape children not orginizations. Should we lump all teachers and team coaches in with the Catholic Priests?
On August 16 2012 15:05 FarmMylife wrote:
and well shit Mormons and Jehovah Witness seem bat shit crazy to me.
Pretty sure, historically speaking, taking in consideration burning people on a stake for being "heretics", crusdades and pedohilia, Catholics are the real bat shit crazy ones. But that's just humble opinion of course; i'm sure , like you said every tradgedy has a positivie, just curious what the positive might be in fucking a 10 year old kid might be. i'm sure you'll enlighten me on that one
Why do you think someone would do it, if they didn't gain something positive from it ?
I started out with nothing and I still got most of it left
On August 16 2012 15:05 FarmMylife wrote:
While Sam Harris does make many interesting arguments he does not understand Catholicism, it is not as easy as picking up the Bible and being like oh well this is what Catholics believe and it is 100% literal. I say Catholic rather then Christian because there are many different branches and well shit Mormons and Jehovah Witness seem bat shit crazy to me. The Catholic idea of the after life is basically just basking in God's presence for entirety, hell is metaphorically the lake of fire and devils what it actually is, is the absence of God. Where Sam Harris goes wrong is his understanding of what it actually takes to get to hell, you have to reject God in the afterlife. So if you died and there was an afterlife and basically you have concrete evidence that God does exist you pretty much have to say no to God and throw him the finger to end up in hell. On a side note you don't actually go straight to heaven you spend time in Purgatory unless your an like a living saint or a innocent ( By innocent I mean you can't understand the concept of right or wrong for instance like a baby, young child, or perhaps someone with a mental disability)
So responding his questions of why does God punish people and let them suffer, kids are starving in Africa why doesn't he do something to help them? Why doesn't he stop terrorist from killing indiscriminately? Why does he let atrocities like the crusade be carried out in His name? I must have heard these questions a thousand times growing up and it simply comes down to FREE WILL. God gave man free will. You can help some of the kids in Africa granted you can't help them all but even if you helped one it's better then nothing right? When the terrorist bombs some peaceful civilians he made a choice to do that just like they made a choice to crusade down to Jerusalem. Every day you wake up your presented with options to something good to help your fellow man or to ignore the problem or even to be the problem itself.
He also goes on to say well why does God kill 10,000s of thousands of children in a tsunami and this is evil. The response well God works in Mysterious Ways I have to agree is a complete bullshit statement. However if you do believe in God then you believe in an afterlife. So Eternal Life with God > Mortal Life > Hell. I am sure you have heard well they are in a better place? If you actually believe in God they are in a better place and it's as simple as that. Of course we will be sad that our loved one has died due to "An Act of God", but have you ever noticed how sometimes a tragedy can actually bring out the best in the global community. It gives a chance to put aside everything and remind us that life is short, and to make the most of it and try to bring as much good to the world as possible.
I am going to go on to say I'd like to apologize on behalf of religious people every where for all the crazy fundamentalists religions have created. However if your an Atheist when you going to criticize a faith directly spend the time to actually understand it. Its kind of one of the first things I learned as a child and that was not to pray for selfish things, its actually kind of a sin. This is from the Vatican and its essentially a book that is continuously updated as to what a Catholic's core beliefs are
Can you explain how this supposed free will works, I can not figure it out?
Could you also please explain what good and evil is? compared to what? and to whom is it good and evil? Would it be evil if you took a guy out of a fire and put him in cold water? Would it be evil if you took a guy out of a comfortable place and put him in cold water? If a guy rapes a girl, is the act good or evil for the guy? If the girl had a fantasy about getting raped by a stranger would the act be good or evil for the girl? If a sadist hits a masochist, is that a good or evil act?
If everyone was throwing knives at their neighbour, the good guy would be the one who only threw stones at his neighbour. Would he really be a good guy then? Or the reverse situation, if everyone gave their neighbour a house, the evil guy would be the one who only gave his neighbour a car, would this guy be evil? Or does good and evil only exist relative to each other and the situation?
If God created everything and is everything, who are "we"?
I started out with nothing and I still got most of it left
On August 16 2012 17:54 FarmMylife wrote:
I didn't realize pedophilia was exsclusive to Catholics. I could make the same argument that Athiest when given a chance to be in postions of power also have a track record of oppression and cruelty. Its been a long time since Catholics went on a crusade or burnt a heritic at the stake but the strictly athiest states of USSR China and North Korea havent really been shinning examples of what a group of athiests can do. Its indivuals that rape children not orginizations. Should we lump all teachers and team coaches in with the Catholic Priests?
didn't realize i wrote that it's exclusive to Catholics my bad. of course, it's the indivuals, the church staying silent and protecting its fellow pedophiles is absolutely normal, given that there are pedophiles everywhere.
Solid stuff.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On August 16 2012 17:54 FarmMylife wrote:
I didn't realize pedophilia was exsclusive to Catholics. I could make the same argument that Athiest when given a chance to be in postions of power also have a track record of oppression and cruelty. Its been a long time since Catholics went on a crusade or burnt a heritic at the stake but the strictly athiest states of USSR China and North Korea havent really been shinning examples of what a group of athiests can do. Its indivuals that rape children not orginizations. Should we lump all teachers and team coaches in with the Catholic Priests?
didn't realize i wrote that it's exclusive to Catholics my bad. of course, it's the indivuals, the church staying silent and protecting its fellow pedophiles is absolutely normal, given that there are pedophiles everywhere.
Solid stuff.
Well if there are pedophiles everywhere, I guess being pedophile is normal by the very definition of the word normal.
I started out with nothing and I still got most of it left
On August 16 2012 15:05 FarmMylife wrote:
and well shit Mormons and Jehovah Witness seem bat shit crazy to me.
Pretty sure, historically speaking, taking in consideration burning people on a stake for being "heretics", crusdades and pedohilia, Catholics are the real bat shit crazy ones. But that's just humble opinion of course; i'm sure , like you said every tradgedy has a positivie, just curious what the positive might be in fucking a 10 year old kid might be. i'm sure you'll enlighten me on that one
Why do you think someone would do it, if they didn't gain something positive from it ?
rephrase this? i'm not sure if your asking me to answer my own question? if that's the case, the positive is that the priest got laid.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On August 16 2012 17:54 FarmMylife wrote:
I didn't realize pedophilia was exsclusive to Catholics. I could make the same argument that Athiest when given a chance to be in postions of power also have a track record of oppression and cruelty. Its been a long time since Catholics went on a crusade or burnt a heritic at the stake but the strictly athiest states of USSR China and North Korea havent really been shinning examples of what a group of athiests can do. Its indivuals that rape children not orginizations. Should we lump all teachers and team coaches in with the Catholic Priests?
didn't realize i wrote that it's exclusive to Catholics my bad. of course, it's the indivuals, the church staying silent and protecting its fellow pedophiles is absolutely normal, given that there are pedophiles everywhere.
Solid stuff.
Well if there are pedophiles everywhere, I guess being pedophile is "normal" by the very difinition of the word.
you ever take a math class? normal would mean one out of 2 people are full fledged pedophiles. Anyone give that number out?
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On August 16 2012 15:05 FarmMylife wrote:
and well shit Mormons and Jehovah Witness seem bat shit crazy to me.
Pretty sure, historically speaking, taking in consideration burning people on a stake for being "heretics", crusdades and pedohilia, Catholics are the real bat shit crazy ones. But that's just humble opinion of course; i'm sure , like you said every tradgedy has a positivie, just curious what the positive might be in fucking a 10 year old kid might be. i'm sure you'll enlighten me on that one
Why do you think someone would do it, if they didn't gain something positive from it ?
rephrase this? i'm not sure if your asking me to answer my own question? if that's the case, the positive is that the priest got laid.
You were curious about what the positive side of it would be, but you answered it yourself.
I started out with nothing and I still got most of it left
On August 16 2012 17:54 FarmMylife wrote:
I didn't realize pedophilia was exsclusive to Catholics. I could make the same argument that Athiest when given a chance to be in postions of power also have a track record of oppression and cruelty. Its been a long time since Catholics went on a crusade or burnt a heritic at the stake but the strictly athiest states of USSR China and North Korea havent really been shinning examples of what a group of athiests can do. Its indivuals that rape children not orginizations. Should we lump all teachers and team coaches in with the Catholic Priests?
didn't realize i wrote that it's exclusive to Catholics my bad. of course, it's the indivuals, the church staying silent and protecting its fellow pedophiles is absolutely normal, given that there are pedophiles everywhere.
Solid stuff.
Well if there are pedophiles everywhere, I guess being pedophile is "normal" by the very difinition of the word.
you ever take a math class? normal would mean one out of 2 people are full fledged pedophiles. Anyone give that number out?
Ok, so wearing glasses is not normal because less than 50% does it?
I started out with nothing and I still got most of it left
probably a good idea to stick to the actual meaning of the word. Normal is also used to describe when someone's behaviour conforms to the most common behaviour in society - wiki
And that's the Normality in a behavioral context.
You can make all kinds of arguments when you apply your own definitions of words.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On August 16 2012 20:25 uiCk wrote:
probably a good idea to stick to the actual meaning of the word. Normal is also used to describe when someone's behaviour conforms to the most common behaviour in society - wiki
And that's the Normality in a behavioral context.
You can make all kinds of arguments when you apply your own definitions of words.
"The church staying silent and protecting its fellow pedophiles is absolutely normal, given that there are pedophiles everywhere."
So you tell me there are pedophiles everywhere, yet it is not common behavior?
I started out with nothing and I still got most of it left
On August 16 2012 15:22 dnagardi wrote:
eternal life seems reeeeal boring to me
100 years life & infinity of non-existence sounds much more interesting :D
Also you are messing the things up, the church as a closed society takes that as normal to protect its phedophiles due to bad publicity which would lead to loss of respect to the institution, closed society behaviour and global society behaviour are 2 very different things. Another extreme example would be KKK - pretty normal for them to be racist and its even a foundamental part of the society, however the global community is exactly at the other side of things. Those two things are not comparable
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