[POLL]Your religion? - Page 11

On August 14 2012 18:43 Baalim wrote: If there is or not free will under those concepts, what is the pragmatical impact on your life?

Well even if there were no practical purpose of the knowledge, I would still like to know just for that reason, to know. But it would also have other impacts on my life on stuff like conscience and world view for example.

zorglub fuck yeah i dont see many other people saying that but right on

free will is itself the illusion of choice, it can't be anything else.

it's an illusion but it isn't relevant!

On August 14 2012 18:59 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2012 18:43 Baalim wrote: If there is or not free will under those concepts, what is the pragmatical impact on your life? Well even if there were no practical purpose of the knowledge, I would still like to know just for that reason, to know. But it would also have other impacts on my life on stuff like conscience and world view for example.

How so? how would your world view change? now murderers are ok ?

On August 14 2012 21:14 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2012 18:59 Zorglub wrote:   On August 14 2012 18:43 Baalim wrote: If there is or not free will under those concepts, what is the pragmatical impact on your life? Well even if there were no practical purpose of the knowledge, I would still like to know just for that reason, to know. But it would also have other impacts on my life on stuff like conscience and world view for example. How so? how would your world view change? now murderers are ok ?

Well yes, how could you blame them? unless perhaps they were ment to be blamed

But I don't believe in murderers or life for that matter, if there is no life there can be no murderers. Even if there were such a thing, I would not be qualified to judge them, because I know someone else knows more than me and is better qualified for that job.

On August 14 2012 22:17 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2012 21:14 Baalim wrote:   On August 14 2012 18:59 Zorglub wrote:   On August 14 2012 18:43 Baalim wrote: If there is or not free will under those concepts, what is the pragmatical impact on your life? Well even if there were no practical purpose of the knowledge, I would still like to know just for that reason, to know. But it would also have other impacts on my life on stuff like conscience and world view for example. How so? how would your world view change? now murderers are ok ? Well yes, how could you blame them? unless perhaps they were ment to be blamed But I don't believe in murderers or life for that matter, if there is no life there can be no murderers. Even if there were such a thing, I would not be qualified to judge them.

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Yeah its hard to kill an imortal, but being imortal can get quite boring at times. That is why God came up with Starcraft and women.

free will being real or not doesn't change questions of morality in the sense that "right" or "wrong" is altered.. but accepting that people aren't to blame for their own idiocy enables you to stop hating those who commit amoral actions (unless you consider your hate educational )

essentially, this point of view subscribes every human with their own rationality which they act in accordance with - sometimes people act irrationally (from an outsider's perspective), but never according to their own rationality. For people to act better, they need to become wiser and more knowledgeable, not "less evil" or even less selfish. I've found myself much more accepting of other people's flaws. It is however important not to use this as a method of ridding yourself of your own responsibilities through arguing that you're not in control and thus not responsible - but whether you're able to realize that you shouldn't do this, depends upon whether you've managed to figure it out / been exposed to experiences and information enabling you to make this realization. becomes kinda circular but whatever.

DOESNT BEING ATHEIST SAME AS HAVING A RELIGION? U BASICALLY SAY THERE IS NO GOD, NO DIETY. HOW CAN U BE SURE? YOU JSUT BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO GOD!!! SAME AS RELIGION BELIEVING THERE IS GOD.

THIS IS WHY THE MOST CORRECT OPTION IS AGNOSTICISM!

GG NO RE

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On August 15 2012 06:29 Liquid`Drone wrote: free will being real or not doesn't change questions of morality in the sense that "right" or "wrong" is altered.. but accepting that people aren't to blame for their own idiocy enables you to stop hating those who commit amoral actions (unless you consider your hate educational ) essentially, this point of view subscribes every human with their own rationality which they act in accordance with - sometimes people act irrationally (from an outsider's perspective), but never according to their own rationality. For people to act better, they need to become wiser and more knowledgeable, not "less evil" or even less selfish. I've found myself much more accepting of other people's flaws. It is however important not to use this as a method of ridding yourself of your own responsibilities through arguing that you're not in control and thus not responsible - but whether you're able to realize that you shouldn't do this, depends upon whether you've managed to figure it out / been exposed to experiences and information enabling you to make this realization. becomes kinda circular but whatever.

But acting morally requires that you know the truth and the consequences of your actions, and none of us really do that, we can only guess or estimate what the truth and consequence is/will be. Besides morals are very different around the world, who am I to say that my morals are right and others are wrong? Maybe they know more than I do and are thus acting more correct than I do?

It would also require some kind of universal morals, which I don't think exists and if they do, why should it even exists on this earth if life is abundant throughout the universe? We might be very far from the universal truth. In the end it comes down to intension, the intension of an act should define its moral worth.

If we don't know the ultimate truth, we can not know the ultimate morals.

On August 08 2012 16:40 FarmMylife wrote: I grew a up Roman Catholic and also attended Catholic School where you have to take Religion Classes so I spent like 13yrs actually studying it and while a lot of it is mostly "silly" tradition I think most Atheist miss the actual point of religion and actually most people that do believe in some kinda religion or something also miss this as well. Most people are introduced to religion at a young age and this does give you some kind of idea what is right and what is wrong regardless of what religion you practice they all have an underling message that you should do good things. All the major religions have a message help people out, don't be a dick and in the end you will be rewarded in the long run of things. Obviously the message gets twisted as fuck and a lot of times most major religions are corrupt as fuck but that's not to be blamed on the specific religion more so that specific person. The other thing with being part of religion is it gives you a greater sense of community, being part of a community is important for every human being, weather you go to an online forum or sit in a church once a week for an hour it fullfils this need that humans have to be part of and establish communities. Its nice to think that I can go to a Catholic church anywhere in the world and be welcomed in to that community. A lot of atheist act like recent ex smokers trying to convince of how enlightened they are because they believe in nothing.

I agree wholeheartedly. We live in a world today where everyone has the fuck you its all about me attitude. When you go to church theres this thing called "peace" that most athiests will never feel. Ask yourself if you hate christian music and if the answer is yes... im pretty sure you havent experienced this "peace" imtalking about. For me the best part of going to church is when i walk in, and all the stress and negativity in my life goes away for the hour that im in the building. The pastor's or deacons' job is to get you to have that peace in your life outside of the church and to help you strengthen it so that it stays with you every moment of your life.

Athiests get too caught up in the validity of the bible rather than seeing the benefits of believing what is written. Lets say you are an athiest and dont believe a word that is written on the bible. IF you pretended you believed it despite not belieiving it from the bottom of your heart, I think for sure you will live a better and more peaceful life if you pretended you believed in the bible.

Your stress and negativity doesn't disappear because magic walls of the church don't let them in. it's habit you formed, sort of like meditation, trance, or whatever you want to call it. i can do that anywhere and i don't need to be indoctrinated with fables to have the will power to do it.

I rather pretend i believe in peace and inner happiness then a book. but that's just me.

So for atheism; most people are still spiritually inclined, even if they consider themselves atheist. It's just a rebellion phase against church and it's past history.
i personally don't care what people want to believe in, but i rather people do their own thinking and reasoning instead of letting and organization do it for them.

But that's just me.

^ you mostly missed my point. But the problem with my theory is that noone in their standard mind would ever "pretend they believed in the bible and its teachings" nor have the willpower to do it such as yourself. I shoudl't say "noone" but obv. 99.9%.

lol I put 25mil into crafting recipe investments, which are now worth about 275mil. sickness ballin investmentz
(earthshatter, venomhusk, blood magic blade)

if prices stay how they are that is ;P

My plan is to craft and RMAH the new uniques asap. hope it works!

On August 15 2012 23:39 2c0ntent wrote: lol I put 25mil into crafting recipe investments, which are now worth about 275mil. sickness ballin investmentz (earthshatter, venomhusk, blood magic blade) if prices stay how they are that is ;P My plan is to craft and RMAH the new uniques asap. hope it works!

Diablo 3 is 2c0ntents religion.

On August 15 2012 12:41 flounder44 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2012 16:40 FarmMylife wrote: I grew a up Roman Catholic and also attended Catholic School where you have to take Religion Classes so I spent like 13yrs actually studying it and while a lot of it is mostly "silly" tradition I think most Atheist miss the actual point of religion and actually most people that do believe in some kinda religion or something also miss this as well. Most people are introduced to religion at a young age and this does give you some kind of idea what is right and what is wrong regardless of what religion you practice they all have an underling message that you should do good things. All the major religions have a message help people out, don't be a dick and in the end you will be rewarded in the long run of things. Obviously the message gets twisted as fuck and a lot of times most major religions are corrupt as fuck but that's not to be blamed on the specific religion more so that specific person. The other thing with being part of religion is it gives you a greater sense of community, being part of a community is important for every human being, weather you go to an online forum or sit in a church once a week for an hour it fullfils this need that humans have to be part of and establish communities. Its nice to think that I can go to a Catholic church anywhere in the world and be welcomed in to that community. A lot of atheist act like recent ex smokers trying to convince of how enlightened they are because they believe in nothing. I agree wholeheartedly. We live in a world today where everyone has the fuck you its all about me attitude. When you go to church theres this thing called "peace" that most athiests will never feel. Ask yourself if you hate christian music and if the answer is yes... im pretty sure you havent experienced this "peace" imtalking about. For me the best part of going to church is when i walk in, and all the stress and negativity in my life goes away for the hour that im in the building. The pastor's or deacons' job is to get you to have that peace in your life outside of the church and to help you strengthen it so that it stays with you every moment of your life. Athiests get too caught up in the validity of the bible rather than seeing the benefits of believing what is written. Lets say you are an athiest and dont believe a word that is written on the bible. IF you pretended you believed it despite not belieiving it from the bottom of your heart, I think for sure you will live a better and more peaceful life if you pretended you believed in the bible.

There is so much wrong with this, it's scary.

We live in a world today where everyone has the fuck you its all about me attitude.

That's funny because Christianity is an incredibly narcissistic way to live. To believe that God is looking out for your interests is absurd considering how many other people there out there and how he can't possibly satisfy all. Christians have this uncanny confidence in their belief. To them, God is right behind them and that's why you get so many that feel self-righteous in whatever they say, because they essentially are convinced that "god" is backing them up.

Also, are you really okay being able to "lie" to yourself? I don't know about you, but i can't do that. That seems psychotic to knowingly go against reason.

Two simple things that I don't think appear enough in this thread :

The fact that lots of people justify the existence of a god based on the fact that there are "unexplained" things is a reasoning that bothers me. If I don't understand something, I don't feel the urge to explain it by summoning a god. I have no problem with this.

About the values that are brought by the Bible (or others similar religious lessons), I have much more respect for someone who does help the others because he does have empathy for them, and feel that it's normal in a social context to do this, than someone who does it because he has been taught to, and to caricature it, would go to heaven if he does it.
Though religions may have had some benefits in installing those moral values, those can exist without religion.

edit : see uick comment. Didn't read again, my bad.

On August 16 2012 03:15 Syntax wrote: That's funny because Christianity is an incredibly narcissistic way to live. To believe that God is looking out for your interests is absurd considering how many other people there out there and how he can't possibly satisfy all. Christians have this uncanny confidence in their belief. To them, God is right behind them and that's why you get so many that feel self-righteous in whatever they say, because they essentially are convinced that "god" is backing them up. Also, are you really okay being able to "lie" to yourself? I don't know about you, but i can't do that. That seems psychotic to knowingly go against reason.

There's so much wrong with this, it's scary.

honestly, you sound like a 16 year old.

On August 16 2012 04:38 kingpowa wrote: Two simple things that I don't think appear enough in this thread : The fact that lots of people justify the existence of a god (say like agnostics) based on the fact that there are "unexplained" things is a reasoning that bothers me. If I don't understand something, I don't feel the urge to explain it by summoning a god. I have no problem with this. About the values that are brought by the Bible (or others similar religious lessons), I have much more respect for someone who does help the others because he does have empathy for them, and feel that it's normal in a social context to do this, than someone who does it because he has been taught to, and to caricature it, would go to heaven if he does it. Though religions may have had some benefits in installing those moral values, those can exist without religion.

U should probably wiki agnosticism.

On August 16 2012 06:02 uiCk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 16 2012 04:38 kingpowa wrote: Two simple things that I don't think appear enough in this thread : The fact that lots of people justify the existence of a god (say like agnostics) based on the fact that there are "unexplained" things is a reasoning that bothers me. If I don't understand something, I don't feel the urge to explain it by summoning a god. I have no problem with this. About the values that are brought by the Bible (or others similar religious lessons), I have much more respect for someone who does help the others because he does have empathy for them, and feel that it's normal in a social context to do this, than someone who does it because he has been taught to, and to caricature it, would go to heaven if he does it. Though religions may have had some benefits in installing those moral values, those can exist without religion. U should probably wiki agnosticism.

fair enough, don't really know why I put agnostics while I was thinking about religious people. will edit.