Dealing w/ HS swings

I posted a bit about this in my blog ... I'm finally moving back into playing 5/10 and 10/20 only as my main games. With 80% of my volume at 10/20. One thing I've noticed every time I make my way back up here is I really begin to let the swings take quite a toll on me. For example, over my last 6 sessions I've lost 36k, and that's only in like 3 days. I'm still up ~25 on the month, but coping with the losses and trying to get used to dealing with losing this type of money on a regular basis has been pretty stressful.

I know a lot of you guys on here do play and have played these stakes and much higher ... is there any advice you can give me or some kind of anecdote about your personal life that would help me to understand how you deal with these types of swings?

Obviously if I was mega rich the swings wouldn't matter at all ... if that's the case, maybe I just need to be a massive bankroll nit. That's not really ever been my style though.

playing overrolled is the way to go but is not easily doable for the highest stakes
try to rate your play after every session no matter if they are winning or losins sesh
that way you can learn to detach yourself from results and the only time you'll feel frustrated is when you've played bad (which will happen too, but at least you have some control over it, which you obv don't with results)

On August 01 2012 05:33 MARSHALL28 wrote: For example, over my last 6 sessions I've lost 36k, and that's only in like 3 days.

This is live right? That's some seriously abnormal runbad for live. Its basically 18 buyins in ~1000 hands. I also imagine you're playing w/ at least 5 other players and have a solid winrate, so you should probably just call this a freak outlier and move on.

MiPwnYa got it right, to not lose your head you have to play overrolled, I would say at least 100bis per stake, 150~200bis per stake and you will never move down or care about losing days. If not just get ready for a VERY stressful journey that will test your limits.

How heavily rolled do you guys generally play?

Life rolled and site rolled?

We Americans, don't think we have the same luxury of being site-rolled ATM.

Currently, I only play online.

I just always played overrolled, but I had trouble playing a lot of 25/50 cuz any downswing over 50k always made me a bit too mad I felt

so yeah just over rolled... so that losses won't really change anything, I always kept in mind that even if I lost a fairly big amount, as long as my lifestyle doesn't change because of it then it's ok (I'm kind of a life nit though I don't spend like a maniac)

and just like locoo I like to have at least 100 buy ins

I have a particular style that probably doesn't work for many people but i'll share it anyway.


i always play underolled. I just cash money out when my BR gets too big like over 50bi, that way it keeps my BR small and keeps me at the lower limits where my winrate is bigger and i feel happier. (bigger winrate = more happyness)

when i keep hitting that 50bi cap and my winrate looks good, then it's time to take some shots instead of cashing out.

When i lose a huge % of my roll in a day i just drop down, start crushing the easy limits and say 'fuck it, at least i have all this money in the bank.'

I also spend very little money in real life, like $150-$200 a week atm so i don't really have many billz to worry about.

also this is kind of obvious, i'm sure a lot of people know this. But it is absolutely key that i'm always improving my game. Mastery is something that makes me happy and gives me something to strive for.


Also i have a 'no fucks given' attitude. I'm not sure how to integrate this into your personality.

On August 01 2012 21:50 Stroggoz wrote: I have a particular style that probably doesn't work for many people but i'll share it anyway. i always play underolled. I just cash money out when my BR gets too big like over 50bi, that way it keeps my BR small and keeps me at the lower limits where my winrate is bigger and i feel happier. (bigger winrate = more happyness) when i keep hitting that 50bi cap and my winrate looks good, then it's time to take some shots instead of cashing out. When i lose a huge % of my roll in a day i just drop down, start crushing the easy limits and say 'fuck it, at least i have all this money in the bank.' I also spend very little money in real life, like $150-$200 a week atm so i don't really have many billz to worry about. also this is kind of obvious, i'm sure a lot of people know this. But it is absolutely key that i'm always improving my game. Mastery is something that makes me happy and gives me something to strive for. Also i have a 'no fucks given' attitude. I'm not sure how to integrate this into your personality.

Is it nice to hav $200/week expenses? Is it fucking nice?

thanks for your expert advice, stroggoz.

On August 02 2012 00:36 MARSHALL28 wrote: thanks for your expert advice, stroggoz.

can someone be banned for being a douche? i mean, for many repeat offenses?

ffs

On August 02 2012 00:36 MARSHALL28 wrote: thanks for your expert advice, stroggoz.

lol well here's some expert advice: For you it's prob not an issue of being underolled. It's an immaturity problem. How the fuck can you feel stressed from still being up 25k in a month? Like seriously i would fucking hate to be you, no matter what you can never be happy if you're whining about +25k months. Try to stop giving a fuck about money, and start worrying about the $gbucks and improvement. Otherwise why play this game?
Becoming desensitized to big losses and adjusting your BR management to suit yourself should have already come naturally from climbing the ladder to high stakes.
Also start acting nicer to people instead of making sarcastic remarks all the time and it should make you feel better if you are a normal human being.

MARSHALL28 is a douche

I like to have 6mos of living expenses that can easily be accessed. Beyond that I like to have 30 buyins for the stake I'm playing while continuously maintaining the 6mo buffer.

lol 200$ a week, do u live in uganda?

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lol marshall stop bein such a douche, didnt u make a blogpost about how u had grown up and whanot

how was anything i said being a douche? ...

if i post in a HS forum, i expect responses from ppl who play HS.

i guess i coulda just ignored it...

i guess i remember why i used to never make threads.

i think stroggoz was trying to offer some personal insight and try to be helpful. i do not think there is any reason to act in any hostile or sarcastic manner. you asked about high stakes, but it applies to all stakes, and many different facets of life - dealing with tilt, dealing with ups and downs /swings, etc.

when i met you, i thought you were a nice guy, but i thought that sometimes you didnt necessarily realize that what you said, or how you said it, might be considered insulting or rude. i'm sorry i cannot offer you advice on anything poker related, but i would like to say to you to please try to be nice, especially if you ask for help and people try to help you. not all advice is good, or helpful, but i think the intentions were good.

to everyone else, please take in mind sometimes context can be lost in forums. let's try to assume that when marshall does say something that could be considered offensive, lets give the benefit of the doubt. he hasn't, at least in my experience, been shy about saying something if he wanted to be mean or clarify a point.

sorry if i made a bad post