Get a grip - Page 2

On June 30 2012 21:33 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2012 21:26 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote:   On June 30 2012 21:20 Loco wrote:   On June 30 2012 21:09 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote:   On June 30 2012 21:02 bigredhoss wrote:   On June 30 2012 20:36 FvL wrote:   On June 30 2012 20:08 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Lol. The earlier you get out of this 'phase' the happier in life you'll be. don't know which "phase" you're referring to, but I'm quite sure we're dealing with extraordinary circumstances. I guess you've seen it all before? i like the video and the message, but it's worth noting that it's a recurring theme in history for people of a given generation to view their era's issues as extraordinary and unique. The human race needs to keep itself going forward. Yeah, we need more McDonald's and Wal-Mart stores on other planets, then we'll have something to be proud of. I see what you're saying but what are you doing about it? You clearly don't see what I'm saying if you ask me such a stupid question. "By all evidence we are in the world to do nothing." Try to meditate on that.

Did I say you should do something about it? You were the one who mentioned McDonalds and Walmart as if implying something.

I don't know which part you didn't understand, but I quoted you saying we "needed to go forward", and I responded in an ironic fashion to show the absurdity of your statement. As in, no, we don't need to go and habitate other planets and spread our stupidity and exploitative nature there, clearly.

Loved this part

Damn, she speaks really well for someone who has never heard before. My girl friend is 100% deaf and she lost her hearing when she was 13 and even she doesn't speak that clearly.

Did I say going forward means to habitate other planets and spread our 'stupidity and exploitative' ways? You are the one implying there is something really wrong with human society but also believe that we're here to do nothing.

On June 30 2012 22:01 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Did I say going forward means to habitate other planets and spread our 'stupidity and exploitative' ways? You are the one implying there is something really wrong with human society but also believe that we're here to do nothing.

I am not implying anything, I am stating a fact. Our existence is completely meaningless and unnecessary; thus, we are here to do nothing. We just happen to suffer if we do nothing because of our evolutionary programming, so we can't do nothing for very long. Unless you are religious and you deny abiogenesis you don't have any reason to disagree here.

You didn't have to say it, many people think that this is the next big step forward for humanity.

I do not agree or disagree with your beliefs. What I do believe in tho, is just to be happy the best way I can be with my own life. I respect your beliefs, and I am not here to impose mine on you or anyone. That is wrong.

I also believe in resolving all that is conflicting in yourself. Like I had a cousin who was really cool, but noticed as we got older he became hateful about everything, blaming society, the govt. etc etc... He different from what he was. Then later I found out he came out and was actually gay. And after that he was cool with everything again. He told me the most difficult thing to do was to admit to himself that he was gay. Until people resolve their inner conflicts, you cant be truly happy.

In a way he was trying get into these pseudo beliefs to escape the fact that he had to admit he is gay. When he finally came out he started believing that there is really a higher 'something', like a power or a god. He started being a believer again and is happy for it.

Just a funny thought. Loco, when you say we are here to do nothing, you mean absolutely nothing? Just eat, drink, shit, fuck nothing?

I wish everyone actually believed and followed this cos I'd definitely be doing something if they did.

You're really smart and everything loco, but you're a bit of a pessimist, I watched through most of the stuff you link to, or browse, skim books you casually mention. It's a bit over the top, the words you are using now is also "useless" if you "meditate" on it a little bit. After all, it's just chemicals and electrical currents n shit flowing through your brain. When you zoom out and "think" about everything, it's breath-takingly amazing, and not "we're not here to do anything". And if we're here to not do anything, why are you doing something?

So I usually read what you write, then I "spice" it up a bit, and I feel that kinda hit the marks, you're maybe 63% too negative. (But don't change, I respect you equally much regardless xD)

(What I was thinking about was that nihilistic video you posted in one of Tutz blogs. It's all a bit over the top, don't think it's good for any brain to get too consumed in that way of thinking).

One that comes to mind was the Roman Empire one "blabla, proof that all great civilizations come to dust" something along those lines, a bit over the top, kinda have to smile and close the link. Although I do like to contemplate and think in those thoughts for awhile, try to really "feel it", just to get a sense for it, then put on some pink glasses, to get both sides.

Hmm, I'm not really saying much here, might be trying to be too polite, not to hurt your feelings xD

^ All of that is a bunch of my opinions, that's aaaalll it iz

I'd still go back to my gay cousin story if I see someone pessimistic and conflicted. Cos I've seen every stage of his process into becoming and the coming out of who he really is.

sure is fuckin white ppl up in this bitch

On June 30 2012 22:21 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: I do not agree or disagree with your beliefs. What I do believe in tho, is just to be happy the best way I can be with my own life. I respect your beliefs, and I am not here to impose mine on you or anyone. That is wrong.

Again, this is the problem. I am not speaking about my beliefs but about the actual fact that our existence has been revealed to us as just being some fluke and completely meaningless. Do you understand how this is the truth of things? You seem to be deliberately avoiding to concede it because here you are making everything into subjective opinion. Every human being acts as if he is the one fixed point in the Universe, just like you are doing right here, and this is exactly why humanity will not "go forward". Other than with technological progress, we are built to fail as a species. Just like any other species before us we will go extinct and nothing no one will have ever done will have actually mattered.

'The Wisdom of Life' Section 26:
"Most men are so thoroughly subjective that nothing really interests them but themselves. They always think of their own case as soon as ever any remark is made, and their whole attention is engrossed and absorbed by the merest chance reference to anything which affects them personally, be it never so remote: with the result that they have no power left for forming an objective view of things, should the conversation take that turn; neither can they admit any validity in arguments which tell against their interest or their vanity."

On June 30 2012 22:21 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: I also believe in resolving all that is conflicting in yourself. Like I had a cousin who was really cool, but noticed as we got older he became hateful about everything, blaming society, the govt. etc etc... He different from what he was. Then later I found out he came out and was actually gay. And after that he was cool with everything again. He told me the most difficult thing to do was to admit to himself that he was gay. Until people resolve their inner conflicts, you cant be truly happy.

Why is this important to mention? You're implying that I am the way I am (too pessimistic I suppose) because I can't truly accept who I am. But this has nothing to do with anything.... at all. Your cousin was someone with low self-esteem who depended on what other people thought of him to generate his self-worth because he was no-one in his own eyes. That's the only reason people hide who they are (and to themselves, too!). And while I would tend to agree with you on the last line, I have come to understand that the people who "face their own demons" and resolve them and claim happiness at a young age simply had very weak demons and their happiness is actually very frail and it is just a matter of time before time destroys every illusion they had constructed for themselves. For a human being to be made "whole", he needs to do much more than accept his Ego as it is, he needs to destroy it completely. I am so absolutely certain of this that if the person I esteem the most tried to convince me otherwise I would suddenly take him for a complete fool.

On June 30 2012 23:07 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Just a funny thought. Loco, when you say we are here to do nothing, you mean absolutely nothing? Just eat, drink, shit, fuck nothing? I wish everyone actually believed and followed this cos I'd definitely be doing something if they did.

I say nothing more than what I said. That by all evidence we are here to do nothing. It means nothing more than that we have no purpose down here, objectively speaking. The purposes that people give themselves to make their lives meaningful is something else, and sure, I would say that there is better to do than eating, drinking, shitting and fucking. And I sure am glad not all people are swine who only care about these things.

On June 30 2012 22:29 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: In a way he was trying get into these pseudo beliefs to escape the fact that he had to admit he is gay. When he finally came out he started believing that there is really a higher 'something', like a power or a god. He started being a believer again and is happy for it.

He had these beliefs because he couldn't admit the truth to himself because the truth fucking sucked in his eyes. Now he has these new beliefs about a 'higher power' for the same fucking reason. The more deluded and ignorant you are, the more happy you are probably going to be. Your cousin is not an example to follow, I don't know why you think he is.

"So long as man is protected by madness, he functions, and flourishes."

Ok so its a fact.

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I'm just passing by and might die anytime soon so I'd rather do things that make me happy now and spend time with all the good people around me while their still around cos they are gonna die anytime too.

Oh and I'm not implying you're gay, pessimistic or whatever. Just stating a fact that my cousin isntt as hardcore to the stuff that he used be hardcore with after the acceptance of being gay.

On June 30 2012 23:10 Mariuslol wrote: You're really smart and everything loco, but you're a bit of a pessimist, I watched through most of the stuff you link to, or browse, skim books you casually mention. It's a bit over the top, the words you are using now is also "useless" if you "meditate" on it a little bit. After all, it's just chemicals and electrical currents n shit flowing through your brain. When you zoom out and "think" about everything, it's breath-takingly amazing, and not "we're not here to do anything". And if we're here to not do anything, why are you doing something?

I have already answered that last bit. I am doing something because to be is to do. No animal simply stays still for all its lifetime waiting to expire and go back to being the dust it once was. I am evolutionary programmed to need and seek certain things out, and my abstention from these things would simply lead to suffering to a point that would become too unbearable if prolonged.

Yes, it can be "breath-takingly amazing", but only for as long as you are not seeing or experiencing the darker side of it all, the price that is being paid daily by other consciousnesses for you to be currently enjoying your experience. For as long as it is concealed from you it will be possible. But it will not be breath-takingly amazing if you are observing a child in a third-world country having its face eaten alive by bugs, or a pet dog being brutally beaten to death by some cruel redneck, or some elderly woman having such a gigantic tumor in her face that it gouges one of her eyes out. But this has little impact upon reading, so let's use pictures instead.





Here you have Joseph Merrick, also known as the 'Elephant Man'. He was made into a freak show and survived for a while earning money from his exhibitions until his illness killed him. Do you think this person (or any other with Elephantiasis) ever woke up in the morning and thought "this is breath-takingly amazing! I am so glad to be here."? Assuming this person isn't very happy with his existence, would you blame this person for being too pessimistic about life? Would you link him to your pathetic sites on self-improvement and teach him how to avoid negative thoughts?

On June 30 2012 23:10 Mariuslol wrote: So I usually read what you write, then I "spice" it up a bit, and I feel that kinda hit the marks, you're maybe 63% too negative. (But don't change, I respect you equally much regardless xD) (What I was thinking about was that nihilistic video you posted in one of Tutz blogs. It's all a bit over the top, don't think it's good for any brain to get too consumed in that way of thinking). One that comes to mind was the Roman Empire one "blabla, proof that all great civilizations come to dust" something along those lines, a bit over the top, kinda have to smile and close the link. Although I do like to contemplate and think in those thoughts for awhile, try to really "feel it", just to get a sense for it, then put on some pink glasses, to get both sides. Hmm, I'm not really saying much here, might be trying to be too polite, not to hurt your feelings xD

Well, you said it yourself, you think that putting on pink glasses is the way to go. I don't. I don't believe in putting any glasses on. I certainly don't believe self-deception amounts to anything of value. And I have also deepened things to a point where self-deception is a very hard thing to accomplish, whereas it comes to most very easily. I also have enough strength to not only look at things as they really are but also to keep doing so, so I guess that's one of the differences between our approach to life.

On July 01 2012 00:34 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Ok so its a fact. ... I'm just passing by and might die anytime soon so I'd rather do things that make me happy now and spend time with all the good people around me while their still around cos they are gonna die anytime too. Oh and I'm not implying you're gay, pessimistic or whatever. Just stating a fact that my cousin isntt as hardcore to the stuff that he used be hardcore with after the acceptance of being gay.

Isn't that what most people want anyway? To be happy? To live in the present, to care for people and have people care for them? It's just the way people go about these things that differ. I am no different from you in desiring these things. But human stupidity and evil will not go anywhere, and these pointless inspirational videos are not going to help humanity "move forward" as you said. People have never had their shit together, what makes you think they eventually will?