Sunday 500 2pair vs river crai

No info on villain, but he thinks we are crazy aggro capable of 3barreling and bluffing like a monkey

Submitted by : player999

PokerStars Hand #80023170201: Tournament #571020018, $500+$30 USD Holdem No Limit - Level II (30/60) - 2012/05/06 17:16:23 BRT [2012/05/06 16:16:23 ET]
Table 571020018 25 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: kaju85 (6888 in chips)
Seat 2: AceSpades11 (7436 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: pimmie (9715 in chips)
Seat 4: MarkusG91 (10574 in chips)
Seat 5: mypokerf (9484 in chips)
Seat 6: LISTILLO (14310 in chips)
Seat 7: Bislet (9388 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (10450 in chips)
Seat 9: Villain (12412 in chips)
Villain: posts small blind 30
kaju85: posts big blind 60

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
AceSpades11: folds
pimmie: folds
MarkusG91: folds
mypokerf: folds
LISTILLO: folds
Bislet: folds
Hero: raises 120 to 180
Villain: raises 300 to 480
kaju85: folds
AceSpades11 has returned
Hero: calls 300

Flop (Pot : $1,020.00)

   
Villain: checks
Hero: bets 660
Villain: calls 660

Turn (Pot : $2,340.00)

   
Villain: checks
Hero: bets 1440
Villain: calls 1440

River (Pot : $5,220.00)

   
Villain: checks
Hero: bets 3840
Villain: raises 5992 to 9832 and is all-in
Hero: ???

wow that sucks i think this is an easy fold though

i mean what are u putting him on and how often do you think he has it

he dosnt rep anything i mean this looks like a random spazz to me with 8x JJ TT or Q7s etc if he dosnt have QQ and QQ only

dont expect to chcall w AA either or KK, and even if he did its a small aprt of his ch/call range here with hitting turn/riv aswell..

and he wouldnt checkcall JTs in a spot like this as PFR that would be nice imo in highstakes cashgames vs very very good regs, otherwise obv stupid in a tourney and dont expect that at all, i dunno no one usually bluffs here cuz they dont rep much but if u think he is alittlebit spazzy he might spazz out with JJ or so just being terrible at poker (u should be pretty pulerised here and its not a good spot to turn made hands into bluff imo)

i would be curious to call, but usually ppl dont bluff here but expect to see AA that took a ch/call line alot i guess, or the very bad spazzout i dunno the skill level on 500$ mtt regs really

what about AK, AQ and maybe A8, A6? remember that he expects hero to barrel a lotttttt so he might trap more than usual

I think aq makes the most sense of anything

i think you need to ask yourself how wide he is c/r for value here. if he would c/c A8 and AK then it could be a call given how few combos of value he would have. but i dont think hes random spazzing here often

On May 09 2012 20:21 Daut wrote: if he would c/c A8 and AK then it could be a call given how few combos of value he would have.

what? shouldnt it be "if he would c/c A8 and AK then it could be a fold given how more combos of value he could have."?

On May 10 2012 01:57 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2012 20:21 Daut wrote: if he would c/c A8 and AK then it could be a call given how few combos of value he would have. what? shouldnt it be "if he would c/c A8 and AK then it could be a fold given how more combos of value he could have."?

nono i mean if he would c/c those on the river. i dont think its obvious he has a wider value range here than AK+. Not sure everyone c/r AQ here on the river, and wouldnt be shocked to see AK c/c either. maybe im just too used to playing plo and only seeing nuts every time

I cant imagine any value hand in his range that you beat. If he is bluffing then wow hes got some cojones to raise your halfstack bet with air. I think it's just a fold

btw. what's his av buy in?

I was villain and hero was isildur, who snap called KQ and busted my T9s

On May 11 2012 12:28 player999 wrote: I was villain and hero was isildur, who snap called KQ and busted my T9s

wrong villain. daut44 folds AQ to you there

thats a moot point, daut44 folds 88 to a flop c/r

On May 11 2012 12:54 player999 wrote: thats a moot point, daut44 folds 88 to a flop c/r

this made me laugh

wow sick play.

i think the flush draw really hurt your equity a bit, on a rainbow I expect a fold like 15% more often.

i edited out my 10 A4 of text replys cuz i came off way to bashy on tourneyplayers and way to arrogant, i was in a bad mood etc so i take that back its just unnecessary.

but i think its a fold for isildur, and i still think its stupid thinking AQ is your most likely hand (why even ´make the assumption in the first place that he randomly would start checkcalling down AQ instead of just takeing value for it)

vs isildur tho its a very nice spot to take a checkcallline with AQ+ but i dont think he expects u to : P

but i like ur check/call line alot w T9 against tricky players its nice to have hand they never add in ur range

and i think isildur made a bad call here against most tourneyplayers, but as i wrote in my edited out post ppl spazz sometimes even tho u dont rep anytrhing (as u did, dont spazz sir) i think its a terrible bluff but i also think that it isnt a snapcallspot by isildur with what he should assume about a random 500$ tourney regguy but i guess he was thinking that hey its a 500$ tourney, im faceing a random guy and he dosnt rep much, call (as was i in my first post earlier in the thread, u really dont rep anything and i would be very curious to bluffcatch here) i really really think bluffing here is bad in reality but it would probably work against me if i knew that u were a solid player cuz i dont expect ppl to be this stupid when they dont rep anything, its just silly to try to make me fold a assumed pulerised valuebetrange of KQ+ sets, JT or air

in isildurs range i would also but any Ax KT KJ etc aswell as maybe QJ but i would never try to bluff him here because u dont rep anything and isildur dosnt like to fold

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lol

what combo draws?

On May 14 2012 00:31 Rapoza wrote: Isildur prob realize u got waaay more combo draws then AQ due to blockers in a bluff catch spot Also he is isildur godammit, he is prob used to random ppl trying to bluff him like crazy

hero (villain?) never has a draw in this spot in isildurs eyes, isildur would expect helio to always bet draws on the flop and never ch/call twice so helio can never have air in this spot, and thats why he bluffs, but he didnt quite realise its alittle to optimistic to try and rep something here when it also is hard to have a strong hand.

levelingbluffs as i like to call these spots are only good with alot of history imo and shouldnt be messed around with without haveing a solid image first so that villain also knows that hero knows he dosnt rep anything, in this spot its probably isildur seeing some ant at the table and just decided to stomp it and dont bother to much giveing hero to much credits on reading the situation here

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there is nothing on your post that makes any sense

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On May 15 2012 10:45 Rapoza wrote: Also that Isildurs river bet is kinda meh, few worse then KQ can call

ok, now you're just trolling, this can't possibly be serious, so I won't bother answering

checking behind river in his spot is collusion

its a coinflip fold. your good like 34% imo.

actually good like 15%

u just beat JJ/TT turned bluff and thats like it.

I fold AQ here most the time.

rivz a clear check too btw since no hands call you that you beat except AJ and AT which are not much of his range, thats over a 30% stack size spew. cmon man, he 3b u oop, cc cc cr ai, u think hes doing this with worse?

slam dunk fold ez no brainer.

seems like raszi and i are the only ones that should be giving advice on this mtt?

longple ppl dont play mtts like cashgames at all, thats for damn sure, esp oop pre ante.

ur the fucking king, but its only a spaz like 12%. your just too used to playing vs ppl that spaz vs u cuz ur image etc, ur not thinking about this being at 30/60 (about 200bb deep), getting 3b and flatting with kq pre semi spew, turn great, river is check always. what calls that beats you? so if he spaz ships JJ/TT there, then my hats off to him, cuz its like, never ever happening.

IMO he has AK here all day.

3b AK v lag opener. CC dry flop AK usually good on this board. turn tp, oop, still vulnerable, cc, river top two, ok now stack 2 pair, cr ai.

nh.

post ante the this deep the hand can be a call player dependent, but still almost always a fold. betting riv is just so bad tho......don't do that again, smack ur hand

specially him being isildur, you cant be serious about cbh river, I'm sure he gets called by worse all day

it doesnt matter its the start of the mtt and u need to respect your stack and icm, if your willing to put it in so marginally pre ante, come join the mtt circuit lol!

because someone has a laggy image and a few lag hands on the net, doesn't mean hes going to be on weak shit here all the time either, and hes also one of the _best_ in the world, so hes never calling if ur ahead imo, esp not early in the mtt.

Isn't turn the first mistake in this hand? I understand that talking about this river is kind of talking about the turn play but ace isn't the only card that can't be crai'd very credibly. I assume you were expecting the majority of the hands that he decided to bet on the turn to follow up on most rivers. There aren't enough (if any? what do you think about cring 8 or Q) rivers that you'll be able to crai while repping enough value hands.

btw / really think isi just looked at pot odds, said fuck it, its only 500 (which is like a big mac to him) - i think the play is very viable vs many regs and is fine to have in your repertoire, but not something that you want to ever be in the habit of doing pre ante. theres just too many chips to be won playing abc pre ante, then do this post ante.

gl!