Sunday 500 2pair vs river crai - Page 2

lol

what combo draws?

On May 14 2012 00:31 Rapoza wrote: Isildur prob realize u got waaay more combo draws then AQ due to blockers in a bluff catch spot Also he is isildur godammit, he is prob used to random ppl trying to bluff him like crazy

hero (villain?) never has a draw in this spot in isildurs eyes, isildur would expect helio to always bet draws on the flop and never ch/call twice so helio can never have air in this spot, and thats why he bluffs, but he didnt quite realise its alittle to optimistic to try and rep something here when it also is hard to have a strong hand.

levelingbluffs as i like to call these spots are only good with alot of history imo and shouldnt be messed around with without haveing a solid image first so that villain also knows that hero knows he dosnt rep anything, in this spot its probably isildur seeing some ant at the table and just decided to stomp it and dont bother to much giveing hero to much credits on reading the situation here

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there is nothing on your post that makes any sense

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On May 15 2012 10:45 Rapoza wrote: Also that Isildurs river bet is kinda meh, few worse then KQ can call

ok, now you're just trolling, this can't possibly be serious, so I won't bother answering

checking behind river in his spot is collusion

its a coinflip fold. your good like 34% imo.

actually good like 15%

u just beat JJ/TT turned bluff and thats like it.

I fold AQ here most the time.

rivz a clear check too btw since no hands call you that you beat except AJ and AT which are not much of his range, thats over a 30% stack size spew. cmon man, he 3b u oop, cc cc cr ai, u think hes doing this with worse?

slam dunk fold ez no brainer.

seems like raszi and i are the only ones that should be giving advice on this mtt?

longple ppl dont play mtts like cashgames at all, thats for damn sure, esp oop pre ante.

ur the fucking king, but its only a spaz like 12%. your just too used to playing vs ppl that spaz vs u cuz ur image etc, ur not thinking about this being at 30/60 (about 200bb deep), getting 3b and flatting with kq pre semi spew, turn great, river is check always. what calls that beats you? so if he spaz ships JJ/TT there, then my hats off to him, cuz its like, never ever happening.

IMO he has AK here all day.

3b AK v lag opener. CC dry flop AK usually good on this board. turn tp, oop, still vulnerable, cc, river top two, ok now stack 2 pair, cr ai.

nh.

post ante the this deep the hand can be a call player dependent, but still almost always a fold. betting riv is just so bad tho......don't do that again, smack ur hand

specially him being isildur, you cant be serious about cbh river, I'm sure he gets called by worse all day

it doesnt matter its the start of the mtt and u need to respect your stack and icm, if your willing to put it in so marginally pre ante, come join the mtt circuit lol!

because someone has a laggy image and a few lag hands on the net, doesn't mean hes going to be on weak shit here all the time either, and hes also one of the _best_ in the world, so hes never calling if ur ahead imo, esp not early in the mtt.

Isn't turn the first mistake in this hand? I understand that talking about this river is kind of talking about the turn play but ace isn't the only card that can't be crai'd very credibly. I assume you were expecting the majority of the hands that he decided to bet on the turn to follow up on most rivers. There aren't enough (if any? what do you think about cring 8 or Q) rivers that you'll be able to crai while repping enough value hands.

btw / really think isi just looked at pot odds, said fuck it, its only 500 (which is like a big mac to him) - i think the play is very viable vs many regs and is fine to have in your repertoire, but not something that you want to ever be in the habit of doing pre ante. theres just too many chips to be won playing abc pre ante, then do this post ante.

gl!