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2c0ntent Egypt. May 04 2012 22:14. Posts 1387 | | |
looooool palak taking over the reigns, will the approach of presenting direct counter evidence work better? stay tuned to 2012 london olympics |
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palak United States. May 04 2012 22:25. Posts 4601 | | |
| | '‘Let us control the money of a country and we care not who makes its laws.’' |
This pisses me off too. That quote has no primary source.
| | Attributed to Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744 - 1812). No primary source for this is known and the earliest attribution to him known is in Money Creators (1935) by Gertrude M. Coogan. Before that, "Let us control the money of a nation, and we care not who makes its laws" was said to be a "maxim" of the House of Rothschilds, or, even more vaguely, of the "money lenders of the Old World". This is a play on an English proverb, Let me make the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. |
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Conspiracy
The earliest evidence for this man saying that quote is a source from over 100 years after he died?
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Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley is a 1200 page book explaining how the rich elite ( rockefellers, rothschilds, warburgs ) are planning for one world government. Should check it out,or stfu. |
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uiCk Canada. May 05 2012 02:08. Posts 3521 | | |
good idea, mods should close thread until we all finish reading a 1200 page book, and have a civil discussion about about the elite and world control. |
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smallnoob Canada. May 05 2012 11:22. Posts 14 | | |
They are attacking our freedom. This is a war on sadness! How can people in london be so sad? We must now attack them.
Meanwhile
D_smart : man why do you think its always rainy in london? RAIN MAN ANYONE? Let's analyse singing in the rain shall we? Please don't be sheeple.
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| | On May 04 2012 20:46 palak wrote:
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the estimate on their net worth in 1850 source is Fredick Morton's book, The Rothschild . [ |
And of fucking god damn course that quote isn't actually in the fuckin book. ad;lkad;lk
the book says
| | The total wealth encompassed by the clan during most of the nineteenth century has been estimated at
well over 400 million pounds (6,000 million dollars). |
http://www.illuminati-news.com/pdf/RothschildDynasty.pdf page 56
Wonderful people say it's estimated and reference a guy who says "it has been estimated". Who the fuck was the original estimator and how.
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not sure what quote you were looking for. im assuming you thought i was quoting someone when i said they had half the worlds worth in 1850. Morton's book is the source of the claim they had a net worth of 6 billion in 1850, which if true would have been higher than the rest of the world combined. that figure is what is used for the basis of why they must have so much money now. 6 billion invested at a ok return rate = 500 trillion+ today.
why does the book say 400 million pounds and 6,000 million dollars? the xchange rate in 1850 for pounds to dollars was 1:.20 so i'm confused.
these quotes by presidents about the bankers. just who are they talking about?
| | I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. |
| | You are a den of vipers! I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution by morning. |
| | I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men. |
| | The real truth of the matter is,as you and I know, that a financial
element in the large centers has owned the government ever since
the days of Andrew Jackson |
quotes by, Jefferson, Jackson, Wilson, and Roosevelt
who owns the fed? |
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Zep United States. May 07 2012 16:08. Posts 2292 | | |
| | On May 07 2012 14:00 VanillaDutch wrote:
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On May 04 2012 20:46 palak wrote:
| | the estimate on their net worth in 1850 source is Fredick Morton's book, The Rothschild . [ |
And of fucking god damn course that quote isn't actually in the fuckin book. ad;lkad;lk
the book says
| | The total wealth encompassed by the clan during most of the nineteenth century has been estimated at
well over 400 million pounds (6,000 million dollars). |
http://www.illuminati-news.com/pdf/RothschildDynasty.pdf page 56
Wonderful people say it's estimated and reference a guy who says "it has been estimated". Who the fuck was the original estimator and how.
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6 billion invested at a ok return rate = 500 trillion+ today.
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FAIL.
Mr. Dutch, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
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taco Iceland. May 07 2012 16:14. Posts 1793 | | |
| | On May 07 2012 14:00 VanillaDutch wrote:
not sure what quote you were looking for. im assuming you thought i was quoting someone when i said they had half the worlds worth in 1850. Morton's book is the source of the claim they had a net worth of 6 billion in 1850, which if true would have been higher than the rest of the world combined. that figure is what is used for the basis of why they must have so much money now. 6 billion invested at a ok return rate = 500 trillion+ today. |
I know right, because having 6 billion in 1850 absolutely guarantees that you will be able to have a 7,245% interest rate for all of those 162 years.
You'd only need to find 6 billion dollars worth of 2006-2012 Google's results consistently throughout about 4-6 entire generations
and never lose any of it, easy game if you simply inherit that second name right? |
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palak United States. May 07 2012 18:17. Posts 4601 | | |
| | Morton's book is the source of the cllaim they had a net worth of 6 billion in 1850, |
THIS CLAIM IS NOT IN THE FUCKING BOOK!! READ THE FUCKING THING FOR YOURSELF I GAVE YOU A LINK TO IT FOR FUCKS SAKE! On top of that the claim that is in the book which is what I quoted is him saying "it has been estimated" he didn't even make the estimate, he's claiming someone else did and doesn't give a source as to who did or how they came up with it.
TJ quote: + Show Spoiler +
Jefferson was in debt nearly his whole life, so of course he hated banks which he was in debt to.
| | Thomas Jefferson bore the burden of substantial monetary debt throughout his life. Except for a brief period at the beginning of the nineteenth century,[1] it was not possible to declare bankruptcy and it was his reputation in large part that kept creditors at bay. While debt was not unusual for Virginia planters of his time, his eventually grew so ponderous that his family were forced to sell much of his property, including Monticello, after Jefferson's death. His grandson and executor of his estate, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, posted an advertisement for his estate sale, indicating that Jefferson's debts at his death amounted to $107,000. Converting this figure into a modern estimate is an inexact process at best, but it would probably be somewhere between $1,000,000 and $2,000,000.
Many factors contributed to Jefferson's indebtedness, many of them beyond his control. These are only a few reasons behind the accumulation of his debt:
Jefferson inherited a great deal of debt from his father-in-law, John Wayles, when Wayles died in 1774.
Although Jefferson was wealthy in land and slaves, farming proved to be an unreliable and inadequate source of income. Also, although Jefferson himself was a major creditor, payments owed to him were unreliable and inadequate as well.
Jefferson lived perpetually beyond his means, spending large amounts of money on building projects, furnishings, wine, etc.
The financial panic that occurred in 1819 added a substantial burden onto his already-substantial debt. Also, he acquired debt from a friend in particular late in life. In 1818, Jefferson endorsed a $20,000 note for Wilson Cary Nicholas. Nicholas died in 1820, and Jefferson was forced to take on his unpaid debt.
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http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/debt also although that quote is real, many of the quotes atrributed to jefferson arn't http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp
Jefferson also was a shitty businessman and had the idea America would be a bunch of yeoman farmers which is another reason y he was so upset over business and banking taking up the north while the south were all farmers | | Jefferson expressed a dislike and distrust for banks and bankers; he opposed borrowing from banks because he believed it created long-term debt as well as monopolies, and inclined the people to dangerous speculation, as opposed to productive labor on the farm |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson#Banks
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Jackson was the same farming type as TJ as far as hating banks. His economic policy also led the US into a depression thanks to him crashing local banks on accident. | | The bank's money-lending functions were taken over by the legions of local and state banks that sprang up. This increased credit and speculation. At first, as Jackson withdrew money from the Bank to invest it in other banks, land sales, canal construction, cotton production, and manufacturing boomed.[37] Then, in 1836, Jackson issued the Specie Circular, which required buyers of government lands to pay in "specie" (gold or silver coins). The result was a great demand for specie, which many banks did not have enough of to exchange for their notes. These banks collapsed.[37] This was a direct cause of the Panic of 1837, which threw the national economy into a deep depression. It took years for the economy to recover from the damage. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson#Opposition_to_the_National_Bank
Also his last words were not "I defeated the bank" it was "I hope to meet you all in Heaven. Be good children, all of you, and strive to be ready when the change comes. " http://www.diplom.org/manus/Presidents/faq/last.html that's just as an aside
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Fake completely and utterly made up. Find a primary source for it, I dare you. | | John M. Cooper, a professor of history at the University of Wisconsin, and the author of several books on Woodrow Wilson, writes:
“I can tell you categorically that this is not a statement of regret for having created the Federal Reserve. Wilson never had any regrets for having done that. It was an accomplishment in which he took great pride.” |
http://www.salon.com/2007/12/21/woodrow_wilson_federal_reserve/
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Dan showed me your letter, and the next day I sent for the Sprague person. To tell you the honest truth I had had no intention of hurting Sprague's feelings by not sending for him, but equally honestly I did not send for him because of the very simple reason that I had entirely forgotten his existence for at least a month.
On several occasions after his return from London, I had long talks with him and tried to get from him some concrete proposal or suggestion which would help us to lift the price level and therefore the debt burden under which the Country, especially the West and South, was staggering. He gave me me absolutely no constructive thought— only the same old suggestions about open market purchases and stabilization of the dollar with the pound. Everyone who is not blind knows that the open market purchases have practically no immediate effect and only a very doubtful long-range effect; also that every time stabilization on the old level of about $4.50 was mentioned, cotton, wheat, corn and everything else started to go down. A continuation of the fall of the price level which ran from the middle of September to the middle of October would have brought the whole Recovery Program toppling about our ears.
Sprague is a nuisance. He carries no real weight except with the Bank of England crowd and some of our New York City bankers, and I regard his suggestion of a meeting as absolutely disloyal. In any event, I kept him from formally delivering a silly letter to me, had Woodin talk with him and subsequently Morgenthau, Jr. Sprague has said that if he resigned, Government bonds would go down five points! Now let me tell you something cheerful.
This Southland has a smile on its face. Ten cent cotton has stopped foreclosures, saved banks and started people definitely on the upgrade. That means all the way from Virginia to Texas. Sears-Roebuck sales in Georgia are 110 per cent above 1932.
Another angle: Hugh Johnson has just telephoned me to be sure to read the latest Dun & Bradstreet Report. He says every section of the country is showing definite gain.
I had a nice talk with Jack Morgan the other day and he and he seemed more worried about Tugwell's speech than about anything else, especially when Tugwell said, "From now on property rights and financial rights will be subordinated to human rights." J.P.M. did not seem much troubled over the gold purchasing, and confessed that he had been completely misled in regard to the Federal expenditures. The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson— and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of WW — The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United Stated - only on a far bigger and broader basis. I am having a grand rest and am catching up on much needed sleep. Take care of yourself and do write me soon |
Sprague is Oliver Sprague, an economist, and presidential advisor during the new deal.
Tugwell is Rexford Tugwell, one of FDRs economic advisors. At the time he was Assistant Secretary of the United States Department of Agriculture.
By "large centers", I suspect he means the large financial centers, specifically London. Does he mean "own the government" in the sense of national debt? So in the same way the Chinese could be said to fulfill that role today?
The letter was written a few months after the London Economic Conference.
One thing that comes to mind after just digging into this briefly is just how complicated global banking and economics are. It's a subject where the average person is hard pressed to ever gain much comprehension - and hence it's an ideal breeding ground for conspiracy theory.
Of course it's also an ideal breeding ground because there is so much real conspiracy - or at the very least large levels of corruption - involved with money and politics at the moment.
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http://metabunk.org/threads/338-Debun...-centers-has-owned-the-Government-FDR
Plus the idea that he is talking about the FED during that letter is idiotic since he is saying "ever since Andrew Jackson" when Jackson was the one who demolished the Second Bank of the US so there was a good time between jackson and FDR where we had no central bank. Namely the Free banking era. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_....E2.80.931862:_.22Free_Banking.22_Era
And now I'm done responding to you.
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Morton's book is the source of the cllaim they had a net worth of 6 billion in 1850, |
THIS CLAIM IS NOT IN THE FUCKING BOOK!! READ THE FUCKING THING FOR YOURSELF I GAVE YOU A LINK TO IT FOR FUCKS SAKE! On top of that the claim that is in the book which is what I quoted is him saying "it has been estimated" he didn't even make the estimate, he's claiming someone else did and doesn't give a source as to who did or how they came up with it.
And now I'm done responding to you.
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uh oh, caps lock engaged. if i get more time i may or may not read the book (i'd read Tragedy & Hope first) . i only responded more bc you quoted forbes for their net worth. its cool, keep trusting forbes as a reliable source on their net worth.
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Zep United States. May 07 2012 21:35. Posts 2292 | | |
Pretty sure I trust Forbes more than some tool who trusts made up quotes and has 0 understanding of economics |
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Having a countries currency concentrated into private hands = bad.
Is this quote time?
"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups." - Carroll Quigley
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
President Woodrow Wilson
"The CFR is the American Branch of a society which originated in England, and which believes that national boundaries should be obliterated, and a one-world rule established." - Carroll Quigley
THE CFR was funded by J.P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, Bernard Baruch, Otto Kahn, Jacob Schiff and Paul Warburg |
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palak United States. May 08 2012 07:04. Posts 4601 | | |
As I already said that Woodrow Wilson quote you listed is fake, he never said it, ever. Find me the primary source of it if you want to prove me wrong. |
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Find me the primary source that says its fake? Even if it happens to be "fake" every sentence in the line is FACT. So who said it or didnt say it then really becomes irrelevant. It still explains how fucked we are. We can both agree on that can't we?
Edit: Pretty sad i actually tried to prove he said this but looks like he said something along the lines of it in one of his books. (didnt read nor would i)
"The quote is mostly words Wilson actually wrote, with the first two sentences of it apparently being incorrect and the rest taken from Wilson's The New Freedom. Below is what one can actually derive from connecting together two passages from The New Freedom:
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men ... [W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson |
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palak United States. May 08 2012 08:48. Posts 4601 | | |
^u never read my post. The quote you just gave, as I already linked to, is from 1911 during his presidential campaign. As such they have nothing to do with his views in the FED. And yes it doeds matter where quotes come from and if they are sourced because otherwise you are backing up ur arguements with false evidence. Its like creationists claiming that Darwin said evolution was fake on his deathbed (see Lady Hope Story). It is a complete falsehood yet the use of it is repeated over and over and gives weight to therr creationist arguements to the uninformed person.
U dont find it at all bothersome that when u try to research a quote stated repeatedly in conspiracy theory forums and documentaries u discover that its fake? Its like creationists just going "o well it doesnt matter what he actually said since evolution is fake anyway". If it doesnt matter in the first place then quit using the fucking quote. Since it does matter, any site or person claiming to have done research on the topic yet uses a blatently fictional quote obviously did not actually do serious research on it and are just parroting lies they have been told. |
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dnagardi Hungary. May 08 2012 09:12. Posts 1779 | | |
wow this thread
became alive without d_smart posting in it
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D_smart_S Bulgaria. May 08 2012 10:21. Posts 688 | | |
I think we should get some money and buy palak a dildo with all the famous quotes and original sources. This guy is the fucking quote police. Not only does he think every quote is fake. The guy thinks that HIS sources show the correct person to have said the quote. Just because, well, Palaquotepolice found it. Wikipedia is a site where everyone can add information and then some GOD guy comes and edits it. WOWOWOWOW omg palak, I can't think of a better source than such a website. You fucking moron. And that Hitler quote about the lie I said several pages ago is exactly his quote. This quote is so famous you can shove it up your ass and ask paparazzi to take pictures. The guy you said actually said something similar about lies but I am gonna write it down on that dildo and send it to you so you can have some great time shoving it up your smart ass. "omg omg omg I am the quote-police it's so cool and important to know who exactly said something. It totally changes the meaning and by correcting someone I am DEBATING HIS ARGUMENT. Im gonna shove that dildo once more." - quote by Palak, year 2012 while playing "Quote Shoving" at home with Zep and tacobell.
Source www.wikipedia.com/quotepolice/palak&doubledildo |
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taco Iceland. May 08 2012 10:32. Posts 1793 | | |
"I am the most fucking retarded in the history of retards. I should not have smoked pot nor gotten high, ever, as I am a schizophrenic,
and pot has been linked to increased rates of development of users' underlying mental diseases." - D_smart_S.
Oh you never said that and don't want it spread around? Let me buy you a dildo.
-D_smart_S logic. |
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D_smart_S Bulgaria. May 08 2012 10:56. Posts 688 | | |
thank you for bumping the thread with your original post, taco. I love people who hate a thread and keep posting in it and bumping it after 13 pages. What a spirit! |
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lebowski Greece. May 08 2012 11:02. Posts 9205 | | |
d smart maybe you wouldn't have quote police up your ass if you bothered to be precise (cornerstone of intellectual honesty)
I mean, you even said the "1984" book was published in 1984, the dildo comments only show that you are too emotionally involved to have a good debate, if you ever wanted or tried to have one |
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