On May 04 2012 03:14 D_smart_S wrote:
That's how the Illuminati play their game. They love subliminals to give a fair chance to people and also to make their game more amusing. There is no evidence before a crime, just clues. Just like their card game. These clues are like puzzle pieces. Individually, they don't mean much but when put together you start seeing the bigger picture.
Please provide citations from scientific literature supporting this claim.
Also, could you pelase explain how putting these clues is conductive towards Illuminati goal?
It seems to me that leaving such clues decreases the chance of their schemes succeeding.
Scientific literature on secret societies? Science doesn't deal with secret societies. Also, there aren't biological studies or nuclear studies on the Illuminati.
Read my posts up to 4th page and you will understand how creating a major crisis and proposing the needed solution can make them rule the whole world. In 2 words - major crisis strikes, everyone wants food, shelter, peace. They come and say - hey let's unite under One World Government and there will be no more wars and crisis. Boom, we unite, they rule everyone. For more detailed explanation - pages 1-4.
And about the decreased chance of success. As this thread clearly shows, most people don't wake up even when hit with a hammer. It's human psychology. They have it all figured out. They have the media and the information flow and people brainwashed beyond belief so they know that no matter how obvious, people just refuse to believe in a HUGE conspiracy. As Hitler said - Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. Hitler was the guy who put his government building (the equivalent to the White House) on fire and blamed it on whoever he wanted to attack. Any resemblance to 9/11? What has worked in the past will always work. There has NEVER been a dictator who didn't have the initial support of his people. NEVER. People are the same everywhere so they use the same old trick every time. They have perfected the science of mind control. Cognitive Dissonance is one of their biggest weapons. People don't want to admit they are wrong or are being lied to on a big scale cause that would mean they are wrong/stupid so they prefer lying to themselves that everything is as they had previously thought. It's a big subject but very interesting.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
Not trusting the gov't and believing everyone but you is being manipulated by the gov't are two completely separate issues...
NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.
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VanillaDutch United States. May 04 2012 12:24. Posts 90
On May 04 2012 08:06 palak wrote:
Few billion. Forbes put them at $1.5 bil in 2002 http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_print.html
Many conspiracy theorists have a habit of claiming their networth, along with the Rockerfellas, at higher than all the money in the world combined.
a few billion, loool. they were worth more than that in the 1800s.
you should go find the current value of all the art they've donated since the turn of the 20th century. (hint: its more than you think their networth is)
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palak United States. May 04 2012 12:31. Posts 4601
As Hitler said - Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. Hitler was the guy who put his government building (the equivalent to the White House) on fire and blamed it on whoever he wanted to attack.
Reichstag American equivilant would be the US capital building. The fire is still debated. Most historians think Van der Lubbe acted alone, some say the Nazis planned it. Evidence is scarce and hurt by the fact that the Nazis blamed the communists and the key evidence implicating the Nazis was held in moscow until 1990 so it could easily have been tampered or altered.
According to Ian Kershaw, writing in 1998, the consensus of nearly all historians is that Van der Lubbe did, in fact, set the Reichstag fire.[12] Although Van der Lubbe was certainly an arsonist, and clearly played a role, there has been considerable popular and scientific debate over whether he acted alone. The case is still actively discussed.
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New work by two German authors, Bahar and Kugel, has revived the theory that the Nazis were behind the fire. It uses Gestapo archives held in Moscow and only available to researchers since 1990. They argue that the fire was almost certainly started by the Nazis, based on the wealth of circumstantial evidence provided by the archival material. They say that a commando group of at least three and at most ten SA men led by Hans Georg Gewehr set the fire using self-lighting incendiaries and that van der Lubbe was brought to the scene later.[20] Der Spiegel published a 10-page response to the book, arguing that the thesis that van der Lubbe acted alone remains the most likely explanation.[21]
Few billion. Forbes put them at $1.5 bil in 2002 http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_print.html
Many conspiracy theorists have a habit of claiming their networth, along with the Rockerfellas, at higher than all the money in the world combined.
a few billion, loool. they were worth more than that in the 1800s.
you should go find the current value of all the art they've donated since the turn of the 20th century. (hint: its more than you think their networth is)
1. You do realize money doesnt stay forever right? Madoffs family used to be worth billiona, now they r worth nearly nothing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
2. Post links to ur claims or stfu
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
Small excerpt from Zeitgeitst: moving forward highly recommended. It would perhaps be best to create a new thread for this but whatever. Just wanted to post it for the George Carlin quote at the end.
Rear naked woke
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VanillaDutch United States. May 04 2012 14:30. Posts 90
Few billion. Forbes put them at $1.5 bil in 2002 http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_print.html
Many conspiracy theorists have a habit of claiming their networth, along with the Rockerfellas, at higher than all the money in the world combined.
a few billion, loool. they were worth more than that in the 1800s.
you should go find the current value of all the art they've donated since the turn of the 20th century. (hint: its more than you think their networth is)
1. You do realize money doesnt stay forever right? Madoffs family used to be worth billiona, now they r worth nearly nothing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
2. Post links to ur claims or stfu
1. Bringing the madoffs into the conversation. A family that was involved in a ponzi scheme demise somehow has relevance to a banking dynasty's net worth. You are actually trying to say the Rothschild, who had a fortune of over half the world's net worth in the mid 1800s built from international banking, would have lost it?
2. public museums don't go around putting estimates on how much collections they have are worth. look into it. i also contend any art collection donated anonymously that is worth over 8 figures was donated by them. people don't go around donating small fortunes anonymously, but i know you won't agree with that conclusion.
how is it ridiculous for them to have more money than everyone else combined? they did in the mid 1800s while investing in highly profitable industries with their fortune.
Few billion. Forbes put them at $1.5 bil in 2002 http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_print.html
Many conspiracy theorists have a habit of claiming their networth, along with the Rockerfellas, at higher than all the money in the world combined.
a few billion, loool. they were worth more than that in the 1800s.
you should go find the current value of all the art they've donated since the turn of the 20th century. (hint: its more than you think their networth is)
I am gonna trust Forbes on that one on the Rothschild individual networth, but if you look at the companies that they are involved with ( Rothschild Continuation Holdings, Concordia BV, Paris Orléans S.A. Rothschild Concordia SAS, etc) it most likely around what the conspiracy theorists are thinking, and why they claim they are worth trillions and trillions of dollars
Few billion. Forbes put them at $1.5 bil in 2002 http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_print.html
Many conspiracy theorists have a habit of claiming their networth, along with the Rockerfellas, at higher than all the money in the world combined.
a few billion, loool. they were worth more than that in the 1800s.
you should go find the current value of all the art they've donated since the turn of the 20th century. (hint: its more than you think their networth is)
I am gonna trust Forbes on that one on the Rothschild individual networth, but if you look at the companies that they are involved with ( Rothschild Continuation Holdings, Concordia BV, Paris Orléans S.A. Rothschild Concordia SAS, etc) it most likely around what the conspiracy theorists are thinking, and why they claim they are worth trillions and trillions of dollars
Few billion. Forbes put them at $1.5 bil in 2002 http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_print.html
Many conspiracy theorists have a habit of claiming their networth, along with the Rockerfellas, at higher than all the money in the world combined.
a few billion, loool. they were worth more than that in the 1800s.
you should go find the current value of all the art they've donated since the turn of the 20th century. (hint: its more than you think their networth is)
I am gonna trust Forbes on that one on the Rothschild individual networth, but if you look at the companies that they are involved with ( Rothschild Continuation Holdings, Concordia BV, Paris Orléans S.A. Rothschild Concordia SAS, etc) it most likely around what the conspiracy theorists are thinking, and why they claim they are worth trillions and trillions of dollars
Rank Bank AUM ($bn)
1. Bank of America Merrill Lynch $1,944.74
2. Morgan Stanley Smith Barney $1,628.00
3. UBS $1,559.90
4. Wells Fargo $1,398.00
5. Credit Suisse $865.06
6. Royal Bank of Canada $435.15
7. HSBC $390.00
8 . Deutsche Bank $368.55
9 . BNP Paribas $340.41
10. JP Morgan Chase $284.00
11. Pictet $267.66
12 . Goldman Sachs $229.00
13 . ABN AMRO $220.06
14 . Barclays $185.91
15 . Julius Bär $181.68
16. Crédit Agricole $171.81
17 . Bank of New York Mellon $166.00
18 . Northern Trust $154.40
19 . Lombard Odier Darier Hentsch $153.10
20 . Citigroup $140.70 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_banking
I totally agree with you. The problem is though is that ppl see all the large multinational companies that the Rothschilds are involved with and then just jump to wild conclusions to they are some secret group with evil plans for wold domination. I think the problem with most "conspiracy theories" is that they connect dots to completely random unrelated events, but they make for a good ROLF every now and then.
4 things:
1. <3 Palak.
2. Going back and reading what OP is saying, he is speculating clues as evidence and then denying doing such a thing. lol. His argument is pretty much: I've found so many "clues" it has to be evidence.
3. OP: If you want to make a solid point and convince people of your argument, learn to back up your claims with legitimate sources. Youtube is not a legitimate source. lol.
4. "They have perfected the science of mind control. Cognitive Dissonance is one of their biggest weapons." Statements like this one really push the idea that you have a mental disorder. Please seek help. That probably sounds like a troll, but I sincerely mean it. You probably need a mental health professional to work with you.
NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.
On May 04 2012 13:30 VanillaDutch wrote:
1. Bringing the madoffs into the conversation. A family that was involved in a ponzi scheme demise somehow has relevance to a banking dynasty's net worth. You are actually trying to say the Rothschild, who had a fortune of over half the world's net worth in the mid 1800s built from international banking, would have lost it?
People like you are the reason you sometimes read the words "You have no understanding of how the world's monetary system works".
Do you think "money" is some finite thing that they had half of and could have just kept?
Do you realize how much wealth, how much currency and how much property has come into being since the mid 1800s?
Tens if not hundreds, if not thousands of times more than even existed in the 1800s.
On May 04 2012 13:30 VanillaDutch wrote:
public museums don't go around putting estimates on how much collections they have are worth. look into it. i also contend any art collection donated anonymously that is worth over 8 figures was donated by them. people don't go around donating small fortunes anonymously, but i know you won't agree with that conclusion.
Worth over 8 figures = equal to or greater than 'small fortune'
People don't go around donating small fortunes anonymously
You allege they donated all of those small fortunes anonymously
Ergo -> They are not people? Wut?
And of course people donate small fortunes, they do all the time. Just all. the. time.
Precisely how do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you spout such utter nonsense?
-With the Olympics coming and London obviously being the center of the British "action" why would they do that?
-This is gonna cost the a LOT of money, posible hundreds of milions pounds.
-BBC UK is owned by The English Crown
-The Queen has been largely accused by the conspiracy theorists of being part of the Illuminati (just saying)
-More than a year befor the London bombings in 2005, the BBC's Panorama programme featured a mock exercise wich imagined terrorists bombing three underground trains and a road vehicle. The actual London bombings one year later, also happened to involve three underground trains and one road vehicle. You can see this @ 1:50 in this video + Show Spoiler +
-In August 2008, the BBC broadcasted a series of programmes called Spooks: Code 9, which envisaged a nuclear arrack on the London Olympic Stadium in 2012. You can see this @ 2:41 in this video + Show Spoiler +
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VanillaDutch United States. May 04 2012 20:22. Posts 90
Few billion. Forbes put them at $1.5 bil in 2002 http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/28/0228dynasties_print.html
Many conspiracy theorists have a habit of claiming their networth, along with the Rockerfellas, at higher than all the money in the world combined.
a few billion, loool. they were worth more than that in the 1800s.
you should go find the current value of all the art they've donated since the turn of the 20th century. (hint: its more than you think their networth is)
I am gonna trust Forbes on that one on the Rothschild individual networth, but if you look at the companies that they are involved with ( Rothschild Continuation Holdings, Concordia BV, Paris Orléans S.A. Rothschild Concordia SAS, etc) it most likely around what the conspiracy theorists are thinking, and why they claim they are worth trillions and trillions of dollars
Rank Bank AUM ($bn)
1. Bank of America Merrill Lynch $1,944.74
2. Morgan Stanley Smith Barney $1,628.00
3. UBS $1,559.90
4. Wells Fargo $1,398.00
5. Credit Suisse $865.06
6. Royal Bank of Canada $435.15
7. HSBC $390.00
8 . Deutsche Bank $368.55
9 . BNP Paribas $340.41
10. JP Morgan Chase $284.00
11. Pictet $267.66
12 . Goldman Sachs $229.00
13 . ABN AMRO $220.06
14 . Barclays $185.91
15 . Julius Bär $181.68
16. Crédit Agricole $171.81
17 . Bank of New York Mellon $166.00
18 . Northern Trust $154.40
19 . Lombard Odier Darier Hentsch $153.10
20 . Citigroup $140.70 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_banking
I totally agree with you. The problem is though is that ppl see all the large multinational companies that the Rothschilds are involved with and then just jump to wild conclusions to they are some secret group with evil plans for wold domination.
nobody is saying that. Rothschild quote, '‘Let us control the money of a country and we care not who makes its laws.’'
I hope the "etc..." of the post listing their companies takes into count the companies of the families their daughters have married into.
re: forbes being an accurate source. Definitely not. any media publication will be biased/outright lie about them. check out what happened when Amschel Mayor James Rothschild died (murdered ) Was reported as a heart attack death by natural causes.. When he was "hanged" (strangled), Yeah the media is not one to trust for information on the Rothschild.
On May 04 2012 13:30 VanillaDutch wrote:
1. Bringing the madoffs into the conversation. A family that was involved in a ponzi scheme demise somehow has relevance to a banking dynasty's net worth. You are actually trying to say the Rothschild, who had a fortune of over half the world's net worth in the mid 1800s built from international banking, would have lost it?
People like you are the reason you sometimes read the words "You have no understanding of how the world's monetary system works".
Do you think "money" is some finite thing that they had half of and could have just kept?
Do you realize how much wealth, how much currency and how much property has come into being since the mid 1800s?
Tens if not hundreds, if not thousands of times more than even existed in the 1800s.
Lol, yeah the reason i bring up there is no way they could have gone broke because of international banking is because i don't understand how the world's monetary system works. zzzz
No idea what you are saying in the 2nd part of your post.
palak,
the estimate on their net worth in 1850 source is Fredick Morton's book, The Rothschild . He made that estimate after he was given access to their family history to write that book. also you think the idea that the Rothchild own all the central banks except for Sudan, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and Iran is nonsense, right? so umm, who do you think owns the central banks? who owns the federal reserve?
palak United States. May 04 2012 20:41. Posts 4601
@tutz...youtube irrrelevant, unless you are really going to say google is in on whatever conspiracy u think is occuring.
1 BBC UK does not exist, it's BBC.
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As part of a major reorganisation of BBC property, the entire BBC News operation is expected to relocate from the News Centre at BBC Television Centre to the refurbished Broadcasting House to create what is being described as "one of the world's largest live broadcast centres".[54] Following completion Broadcasting House will also be home to most of the BBC's national radio stations, and the BBC World Service. The major part of this plan involves the demolition of the two post-war extensions to the building and construction of an extension[55] designed by Sir Richard MacCormac of MJP Architects. This move will concentrate the BBC's London operations, allowing them to sell Television Centre, which is expected to be completed by 2015.[56]
In addition to the scheme above, the BBC is in the process of making and producing more programmes outside of London. This involves producing more programmes at production centres such as Belfast, Glasgow and, most notably, Manchester. As part of the scheme, BBC North West is moving from New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, to MediaCityUK in Salford. Joining them are the BBC Sports, BBC Children's, Radio 5 Live, BBC Breakfast and BBC Philharmonic departments and services from London. MediaCityUK will therefore become the biggest staffing operation outside London.[57][58]
In 2003 reports emerged that, as part of the plans for the renewal of its Royal Charter, the BBC was considering moving whole channels or strands of production from London to Manchester.[7] Early discussions involved a plan where the BBC would move to a new media village proposed by Granada Television at its Bonded Warehouse site at Granada Studios in the city.[8][9]
Every piece of speculation is presented as 100% evidence with 0 detail and no sources on how the conclusions were reached.
Secondly, I love how everybody who believes in this shit is 100% certain a bombing will happen...unless they get the "truth" out...Then they are heroes for stopping it. The fundamental flaw in that argument is even if these warning posts/forums/videos reach 100 million people, that's only 1.4% of the world's population- and yet they 100% believe that their message is so strong that it will have stopped Illuminati from controlling 7 billion people.
This is the most irrational debate I've ever seen on LP.
But like I've said 3 times, let's wait til the olympics- if there is a dirty bombing, I will give some credit to OP and believe Illuminati is probably the one behind it.
But when the olympic games conclude without a dirty bombing, I'm going to flame OP until he decides to never post on LP again. I already have a dozen ideas for memes and I still have 3 more months to come up with more.
NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.
tutz, that's happened to a friend of mine who hosts CoD clips.
(It apparently happens when YouTube has problems with its hard drives)
HOW DOES CALL OF DUTY RELATE TO THIS CONSPIRACAYYYY?
Let's ask D_smart_S when he's high as a kite and find out.
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palak United States. May 04 2012 21:46. Posts 4601
the estimate on their net worth in 1850 source is Fredick Morton's book, The Rothschild . [
And of fucking god damn course that quote isn't actually in the fuckin book. ad;lkad;lk
the book says
The total wealth encompassed by the clan during most of the nineteenth century has been estimated at
well over 400 million pounds (6,000 million dollars).
Your source of rense doesn't give sources itself, just references. Things like "The Rothschild interests did succeed, through their agent Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase," need to be sourced because that's a bullshit claim that needs evidence.
Further that source isn't the original place but links to http://www.servelec.net/lincoln.htm#10 which says "This article was first published in the February 1995 edition of Personal Update, and began the following paragraph which has been moved below:
The Bible predicts a world government emerging as part of the "End Times Scenario." Many of our Briefing Packages deal with this issue.1 In order to develop a perspective of America's apparent prophetic destiny, we need to deal with some of these issues directly.Furthermore, the Bible instructs us not to be ignorant of Satan's devices.2 Paul warns us that "we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places."3 It is for a better understanding of these forces that we will explore some of the bizarre events of our nation's history.
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those ppl r crazy. The person also only really gives 2 sources, Kill Zone by Craig Roberts and his source #4 which is 3 random books citing one paragraph.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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) Was reported as a heart attack death by natural causes.. When he was "hanged" (strangled), Yeah the media is not one to trust for information on the Rothschild. 
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