8 BBs deep in The Big 8.8

3 final tables in The Big 8.80 @ PS, first place takes 6.6K, 5k entrants
You are on the HJ with 8 BBs, its folded to you, you pick 8c7s.

Would you shove or wait for a better spot?
Also, do you change your open shoving ranges as you go depper in a tournment?
The table is playing fairly tight btw.

Fold. Better spots to come

where the fucks the hijack? mid to late an easy shove. If tables tight might be good anywhere depends on pay jumps and edge

Oh the hijacks the 5th. There MIGHT be better spots but if you fold your passing up some potential future spots as well you only have to get through 4 with 76 rather then 6 2 hands later with a6

Its really a icm vs edge thing. Id snap shove expecting players to be really tight (fish playing for so much more then their buyin. If you suck there is less reason to shove because if you double up you wont use your chips properly anyway.

On March 31 2012 23:31 Target-x17 wrote: Oh the hijacks the 5th. There MIGHT be better spots but if you fold your passing up some potential future spots as well you only have to get through 4 with 76 rather then 6 2 hands later with a6 Its really a icm vs edge thing. Id snap shove expecting players to be really tight (fish playing for so much more then their buyin. If you suck there is less reason to shove because if you double up you wont use your chips properly anyway.

You plan to outplay them with your edge and 8BBs?

Will the blind level soon increase? how many big blinds will you have after you have gone through the blinds the next time? Is it a turbo tournament?
If the blinds will increase before the next bb reaches you, I think it's a shove. Otherwise it's probably marginal. Although I would hate not shoving before the next big blind since
the antes are probably pretty big and we'll have 5-6bb and close to no FE.

On March 31 2012 23:31 Target-x17 wrote: Oh the hijacks the 5th. There MIGHT be better spots but if you fold your passing up some potential future spots as well you only have to get through 4 with 76 rather then 6 2 hands later with a6 Its really a icm vs edge thing. Id snap shove expecting players to be really tight (fish playing for so much more then their buyin. If you suck there is less reason to shove because if you double up you wont use your chips properly anyway.

hijack is right after the cutoff

On April 01 2012 03:59 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On March 31 2012 23:31 Target-x17 wrote: Oh the hijacks the 5th. There MIGHT be better spots but if you fold your passing up some potential future spots as well you only have to get through 4 with 76 rather then 6 2 hands later with a6 Its really a icm vs edge thing. Id snap shove expecting players to be really tight (fish playing for so much more then their buyin. If you suck there is less reason to shove because if you double up you wont use your chips properly anyway. You plan to outplay them with your edge and 8BBs?

? no Im clearly talkin about the 20% of time I double up and the 50% of the time I steal the 3 bb in the pot.

On April 01 2012 14:17 Target-x17 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2012 03:59 pluzich wrote:   On March 31 2012 23:31 Target-x17 wrote: Oh the hijacks the 5th. There MIGHT be better spots but if you fold your passing up some potential future spots as well you only have to get through 4 with 76 rather then 6 2 hands later with a6 Its really a icm vs edge thing. Id snap shove expecting players to be really tight (fish playing for so much more then their buyin. If you suck there is less reason to shove because if you double up you wont use your chips properly anyway. You plan to outplay them with your edge and 8BBs? ? no Im clearly talkin about the 20% of time I double up and the 50% of the time I steal the 3 bb in the pot.

What I mean is that your reasoning is completely wrong. If you have edge postflop you need a stack to see flops, so you may even go for small -EV shoves just because doubling up not only gives you double the amount of chips but the ability to use your postflop edge.

With 8BBs you do not have any means to play normal poker.

You can have an edge in a push/fold game people wont call nearly enough especially when they see the first place prize. but we all know 3 tables left with 8bb icm doesint matter atm very much so we can exploit this.

i think average stacksize is important to know here

you can have a big edge in a push/fold game. that edge consists of push/folding correctly and taking the +ev spots.

i'd fold 87 in this spot.

Lol but you have more of an edge with 11 bb. Average stack dont matter you have to get it in 5 times or double up for next pay bump. But if you miss this spot theres no garantee you get a better one with 6 bb next time around. I like to play to win but its very marginal its not really worth talking anymore about. You have like 5 true bb your not gonna get a +ev spot lol

Shove here. Any spots you take when you're below 8 bb are going to be -EV unless you actually have a premium hand. The shorter you get, the more often you will get called, and if you pass this spot (which is probably breakeven at worst) then future spots will lose effectiveness. Shoving here will probably net you an avg of .5 bb/100 and you will have more chips in future spots so that if and when you do have an actual premium, you'll have more chips to double up with :D

fuji also told me a skype to stop giving fish who fold 78 here advice

easy shove here, you want to wait on 2bb to get aces or what?

Depends on your image and dynamics. If you only have 8 bb's left because of a recent beat, I'd pick a better spot because others may think your head is still spinning. If you have 8 bb's left because you've been waiting on hands for past two hours it may be an easier shove. If big stacks are still left to act behind you they are more likely to call weaker.

obviously not making this shove with 1 or two hands of losing a showdown but people dont really pay that much attention and most wont adjust calling range

EZ shove imo.

this is the type of situation I'm generally shoving in. But I think people think too black and white in these spots. Dynamics play a huge factor when you're low on chips and deciding whether you're just trying to survive for a little while before doubling up or if you're just trying to double up asap.

Because you can fold a few more hands before you hit the blinds, the most important things in this spot are HUD stats and the stacks behind you. If you have players with huge stacks and loose stats behind then you are very likely to get called light which would make this a bad spot to stick it in. However if they are nitty randoms with under 20bb they're way more likely to fold too much in this spot and then I would jam here since you only have a couple people to get through.

On April 01 2012 10:45 tutz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 31 2012 23:31 Target-x17 wrote: Oh the hijacks the 5th. There MIGHT be better spots but if you fold your passing up some potential future spots as well you only have to get through 4 with 76 rather then 6 2 hands later with a6 Its really a icm vs edge thing. Id snap shove expecting players to be really tight (fish playing for so much more then their buyin. If you suck there is less reason to shove because if you double up you wont use your chips properly anyway. hijack is right after the cutoff

lol

I thought hijack was when you had j2 -j10

J2 would be the lo-jack.