[nl50 6max] 99 in SBvsBU LAG.

Submitted by : Try2BePerfect

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$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, March 05, 01:56:57 ET 2012
Table Herero III Real Money
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $50.48 USD - VPIP: 41, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 3.5, Hands: 41
Seat 2: Player2 $50.00 USD - VPIP: 19, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.6, Hands: 590
Seat 3: Player3 $55.90 USD - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 2.2, Hands: 1158
Seat 4: Player4 $46.59 USD - VPIP: 39, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 31
Seat 5: Player5 $50.00 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2.4, Hands: 2394
Seat 6: Hero $51.34 USD - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.2, Hands: 442093
Hero posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 raises [$1.25 USD]
Hero raises [$4.50 USD]
Player1 folds
Player5 raises [$9.25 USD]
Hero raises [$46.59 USD]
A bit general question, but how do you play mid pocket pair vs so loose agressive opponent from in SBvsBU ?
Villain is 29/23.3 after 180 hands, with steal from button 55%, and 3b 12%. I think it's not enough hands to write here stats like Fto3bet/4bet%/4bet range etc .

there should be: "villain is 29/23/3.3 after..."

I dont mind shipping it really + his 4bet is super ghay and weak
Im having troubles playing such spots myself though so ..

standard, just make sure you have recent history with villain, don't just sit down see stats and do this out of the blue.

its almost always better to flat mid pp if you arent planning to 3b5b - (or flat 4b depending on style) oop

55% steal from button is really low imo, I don't think those stats warrant getting into 4b/5b wars yet.

You should only be 3-betting this if you know what to do vs a 4-bet.

calling w/ mid pair vs steal is better than 3b, because i think w/ medium hands (KQ KJ ect) are also callable.

On March 06 2012 20:46 Venrae wrote: 55% steal from button is really low imo,.

^ really?? what is average and what is high??

On March 06 2012 20:46 Venrae wrote: 55% steal from button is really low imo, I don't think those stats warrant getting into 4b/5b wars yet.

wait are you serious? ;o

this hand looks extremely standard vs a 40%+ opener from btn or sb...especially vs a sb opener who opens 40%+ from that position..he's going to be paranoid that people are going to be playing back at him...like they should.

consider flatting a lot of hands including hands like these too. especially vs polarized 4betting ranges.

bump because "how do I HU or grind" thread title is tilting me and it's been there for too long.
On topic:
This can never be too bad... It prevents 4bet bluffing later in the game a bit too

i dont like 3-beting 9's as a standard ;-0, this is a play that wont show profit in the long run as a standard

On March 24 2012 11:57 TalentedTom wrote: i dont like 3-beting 9's as a standard ;-0, this is a play that wont show profit in the long run as a standard

shhhhhh

I also prefer the call, but I don´t know what to do if villain squeezes..

Just because his opening range is wide does not mean his 5bet calling range is wide.

Going deeper into the analysis of this hand...

From what others have posted we're leaning towards a call here a majority of the time. (How does 85% sound?). 3bet when our opponent has increased his button open % over the past ~60hands. With the information above, having 3bet I prefer to flat call then 5bet. Who disagrees?

When the case is a flat call and the board runs similar to [A28] or [K85] I would check/call the flop. Fold to a second bet. Ship river if it's checked. I do this because those flops make it really hard for our opponent to improve on the turn. And i think it's reasonable to assume our opponent will put us on those cards having check called the flop. Thoughts? What is your line on textures that are draw heavy but good against his entire range and cbet % like 8h7h2c

When we call the open are those lines still good without betting the river?

When the flop is under cards with a straight draw or flush draw or monotone undercards would you check raise ever? How often would you donk bet over c/c

When do you check fold?

What statistics can you use post flop to make better decisions in this situation?

On April 20 2013 19:25 GameOverNoob wrote: Going deeper into the analysis of this hand... From what others have posted we're leaning towards a call here a majority of the time. (How does 85% sound?). 3bet when our opponent has increased his button open % over the past ~60hands. With the information above, having 3bet I prefer to flat call then 5bet. Who disagrees? When the case is a flat call and the board runs similar to [A28] or [K85] I would check/call the flop. Fold to a second bet. Ship river if it's checked. I do this because those flops make it really hard for our opponent to improve on the turn. And i think it's reasonable to assume our opponent will put us on those cards having check called the flop. Thoughts? What is your line on textures that are draw heavy but good against his entire range and cbet % like 8h7h2c When we call the open are those lines still good without betting the river? When the flop is under cards with a straight draw or flush draw or monotone undercards would you check raise ever? How often would you donk bet over c/c When do you check fold? What statistics can you use post flop to make better decisions in this situation?

I don't think you can develop a 4bet calling range OOP against ppl unless ranges open/3bet ranges are ridicously wide, and even then its quite weird. I've seen a few regs that 3bet/call from SB with AJ/AQ/KQ exclusively so you can play perfect against them on most flops.

Right. We 3bet to increase our 3bet % to get action with bigger hands, which makes sense, but i think we can choose different hands for that purpose. And when we get called from the button we're going to be put in tough situations.

Loco said in another post that when you flat call with medium pocket pairs in the big blind, it allows you to x/r with ace high backdoor flush draw hands on 2 tone straight draw boards.

I see more reason to flat here 100% over 3bet. Is there a reason to never do something 100% of the time?

How often does he have to have an inferior hand that won't call a 5bet to make this profitable for the times he has us crushed?

On April 20 2013 21:42 GameOverNoob wrote: How often does he have to have an inferior hand that won't call a 5bet to make this profitable for the times he has us crushed?

a lot of it has to do with opening frequency, someone who opens 30% of buttons will have a range that is 2x stronger then someone who opens 60, and 3x when 90%, so basically opening range in relation to frequency of playback you can determine if a play is +EV

To stray away from the SB position, on the button, what range are you willing to 4bet to this size? We see the SB having a 3bet% of 6% where the majority of his 3betting is probably from the SB (why don't BB's on average defend as often as the SB?) so he's probably doing this with a pretty wide range.

Anyways, I'm tired and will just add this as well: his 4betting size can either mean "wow he's weak" or "i want to play a hand in position with a fairly sized stack to pot ratio if he doesn't ship it" from my opinion.

with 2400 hands you should have a decent sample of what his 4b range is here. We can't really make a jam here unless we know that villan is bluffing enough