cops kill men with a crowbar *10 shots* - Page 2

crap, am I the only one who read the thread title as some cops beat a guy to death with a crowbar by hitting him 10 times? That woulda been a lot more interesting -.-

On January 25 2012 08:43 Critterer wrote: Wow no didnt see this yet! crazy did they tazer him at the beginning and he just seems to turn around and be like AND WHAT? how can a tazer to the face do nothing? and that doesnt look like a crowbar to me its definitely got something on the end, looks like some kind of pick axe.

Tasers don't always work. There are 2 probes on a taser and both have to connect with the suspect to complete the circuit. When they are wearing baggy clothes especially it makes it harder for the taser to connect cleanly so it won't work as intended. I think this is most likely what happened instead of the other popular theory that he was so drugged up that he went Hulk mode and ripped the taser off while being shocked.

Anyway, I think people are being results-oriented by saying the cops should have chosen a different non-lethal route like using animal tranquilizers or sicking the K9 on him. The taser is the best non-lethal weapon they have for subduing a suspect and the only reason you'd say not to use it is because you're using hindsight and you saw that it didn't work.

title should be "1 man, 1 crowbar"

Speaking of title, I expected this thread to be about a cop killing several men with the use of a crowbar.

My faith in humanity has been restored after most people basically saying "gotta defend yourself, nothing wrong on extra shots because you gotta be sure and can't run any risk (as cop)".

Atl tl half poster where "wtf what an animal aim to the legs" or "3 shots is kinda justified 10 shots is brutal"

drugs dont induce monster strenght rampages actually, a taser that connects properly will inmobilize a man no matter what or how many drugs he has in his bloodstream.

Also its ridiculous to think 10 shots are fine, a cop has to think about protecting himself and others while using the minimum force possible, so its understandable if the cop didnt want to wrestle with a guy with a crowbar but its not justified to empty his clip on his ass, a warning shot, shooting to non lethal zones etc, since when you need 10 shots from a supposedly trained marksman are needed to stop somebody with no guns.

Whatever to happened shouting "drop your weapon and put your hands up" from like 15 feet? I feel they way they handled it was like how I (an untrained noob with no gun experience) would handle the situation. you've got a dog and 4 guys with weapons vs 1 guy with a pickaxe

On January 25 2012 21:33 TekxY wrote: I think the issue here is that the cops were too close even when the man has a visible weapon on his hand, I don't know why they get so close, If the guy was so intoxicated or something, you shouldn't expect that cops commands will work properly so if they don't have teasers or stuff like that, worst case scenario should be, cops telling him to put the weapon down and if he keeps ignoring just a shot to the leg from a proper distance. Obviously given the cops were so close and he swing the pick axe or w/e it is, then yea the other cop reacts shooting but that could be avoided.

Tasers have a pretty limited range, and the farther away you are the more likely you are to miss. Also, this wasn't a standoff. The suspect was just inside the restaurant smashing windows. Why give him some space so that he can run off and attack someone or car jack somebody? Given the guy's erratic behavior he was clearly a threat to the general public and should have been subdued as soon as possible.

edit: forgot that they could sick the dog on him if he tried to run

Not against killing him but clearly they unknowingly put themselves in a position to do exactly that. I dont think they intended to kill the guy at all since they were obviously caught off guard when the guy turned on one of the cops. wtf was that dog for?

It was a terrible idea to fire a gun 10 times with members of the public in the area. If the guy had been a few meters forward the guys in the car would have been in the line of fire.

On January 25 2012 20:52 Baalim wrote: drugs dont induce monster strenght rampages actually, a taser that connects properly will inmobilize a man no matter what or how many drugs he has in his bloodstream. Also its ridiculous to think 10 shots are fine, a cop has to think about protecting himself and others while using the minimum force possible, so its understandable if the cop didnt want to wrestle with a guy with a crowbar but its not justified to empty his clip on his ass, a warning shot, shooting to non lethal zones etc, since when you need 10 shots from a supposedly trained marksman are needed to stop somebody with no guns.

Cops shoot to kill, not warning shots or non-lethal zones or shoot the weapon out of the suspects hands. This isn't Hollywood. Whether the 2nd cop needed to unload 5 more into the guy after hes already been shot 5 times point-blank is debatable, and hell if you want, you can even debate the use of deadly force here if indeed its clearly a crowbar and the cops can see that, but once the guns are out, its shoot to kill.

Dead men tell no lies.

On January 25 2012 20:52 Baalim wrote: drugs dont induce monster strenght rampages actually, a taser that connects properly will inmobilize a man no matter what or how many drugs he has in his bloodstream. Also its ridiculous to think 10 shots are fine, a cop has to think about protecting himself and others while using the minimum force possible, so its understandable if the cop didnt want to wrestle with a guy with a crowbar but its not justified to empty his clip on his ass, a warning shot, shooting to non lethal zones etc, since when you need 10 shots from a supposedly trained marksman are needed to stop somebody with no guns.

I've heard from a reliable person about a police report where a guy on PCP was causing some kinda trouble...cops go to check it out and he's on a rampage...The drugged out guy took 10 shots to the chest while attacking one of the officers and managed to strangle one to death while the other reloaded and finally finished him off with a shot directly to the heart + brain....

On January 26 2012 13:42 YoMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2012 20:52 Baalim wrote: drugs dont induce monster strenght rampages actually, a taser that connects properly will inmobilize a man no matter what or how many drugs he has in his bloodstream. Also its ridiculous to think 10 shots are fine, a cop has to think about protecting himself and others while using the minimum force possible, so its understandable if the cop didnt want to wrestle with a guy with a crowbar but its not justified to empty his clip on his ass, a warning shot, shooting to non lethal zones etc, since when you need 10 shots from a supposedly trained marksman are needed to stop somebody with no guns. I've heard from a reliable person about a police report where a guy on PCP was causing some kinda trouble...cops go to check it out and he's on a rampage...The drugged out guy took 10 shots to the chest while attacking one of the officers and managed to strangle one to death while the other reloaded and finally finished him off with a shot directly to the heart + brain....

Was he a zombie?

On January 26 2012 13:42 YoMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2012 20:52 Baalim wrote: drugs dont induce monster strenght rampages actually, a taser that connects properly will inmobilize a man no matter what or how many drugs he has in his bloodstream. Also its ridiculous to think 10 shots are fine, a cop has to think about protecting himself and others while using the minimum force possible, so its understandable if the cop didnt want to wrestle with a guy with a crowbar but its not justified to empty his clip on his ass, a warning shot, shooting to non lethal zones etc, since when you need 10 shots from a supposedly trained marksman are needed to stop somebody with no guns. I've heard from a reliable person about a police report where a guy on PCP was causing some kinda trouble...cops go to check it out and he's on a rampage...The drugged out guy took 10 shots to the chest while attacking one of the officers and managed to strangle one to death while the other reloaded and finally finished him off with a shot directly to the heart + brain....

your reliable person is an idiot, drugs dont do that plus for example it is physically impossible for anybody to overcome a taser that connects properly, Adrenaline is by far the chemical to do that kind of stuff and you are already soaking in it when you get in such an stressful situation

On January 26 2012 02:22 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2012 20:52 Baalim wrote: drugs dont induce monster strenght rampages actually, a taser that connects properly will inmobilize a man no matter what or how many drugs he has in his bloodstream. Also its ridiculous to think 10 shots are fine, a cop has to think about protecting himself and others while using the minimum force possible, so its understandable if the cop didnt want to wrestle with a guy with a crowbar but its not justified to empty his clip on his ass, a warning shot, shooting to non lethal zones etc, since when you need 10 shots from a supposedly trained marksman are needed to stop somebody with no guns. Cops shoot to kill, not warning shots or non-lethal zones or shoot the weapon out of the suspects hands. This isn't Hollywood. Whether the 2nd cop needed to unload 5 more into the guy after hes already been shot 5 times point-blank is debatable, and hell if you want, you can even debate the use of deadly force here if indeed its clearly a crowbar and the cops can see that, but once the guns are out, its shoot to kill.

Are you taking this from somewhere? i mean are they instructed to always shoot to kill?

If this is true, its unquestiable a retarded procedure, shooting only to kill is ridiculous.

If the other cop needed to unload 5 more rounds is not questionable, a guy with a fucking crowboard shot 5 times is in no way a real threat to a trained cop.

It's really hard to judge these situations when you're not in the heat of the moment imo. Obv from the outside it looks like shooting 10 times is crazy but I'd imagine in the actual situation even the cops aren't in total mental/emotional control and realistically are probably very scared themselves.

I'm just glad nobody got hit by strays/missed shots.

On January 26 2012 18:24 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2012 13:42 YoMeR wrote:   On January 25 2012 20:52 Baalim wrote: drugs dont induce monster strenght rampages actually, a taser that connects properly will inmobilize a man no matter what or how many drugs he has in his bloodstream. Also its ridiculous to think 10 shots are fine, a cop has to think about protecting himself and others while using the minimum force possible, so its understandable if the cop didnt want to wrestle with a guy with a crowbar but its not justified to empty his clip on his ass, a warning shot, shooting to non lethal zones etc, since when you need 10 shots from a supposedly trained marksman are needed to stop somebody with no guns. I've heard from a reliable person about a police report where a guy on PCP was causing some kinda trouble...cops go to check it out and he's on a rampage...The drugged out guy took 10 shots to the chest while attacking one of the officers and managed to strangle one to death while the other reloaded and finally finished him off with a shot directly to the heart + brain.... your reliable person is an idiot, drugs dont do that plus for example it is physically impossible for anybody to overcome a taser that connects properly, Adrenaline is by far the chemical to do that kind of stuff and you are already soaking in it when you get in such an stressful situation

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