over $26k seized from PCA players - Page 2

On January 19 2012 14:06 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 13:41 Highcard wrote: wtf family? how does that apply when each has under $10k. Pretty fucking stupid. So if you have $9500 you can cross border without saying a word? Yes you can cross with $9,999.99

i've crossed with 9,800 before. the agent asked me if i had cash i told him i had 9,800 he asked me like 3 times sternly if i am sure it is under 10k and let me go without looking.

another time in Miami airport I declared that I had something like 20k and got detained/questioned for like 2 hours while the agents knew full well i was going to miss a connection and instantly provided all documentation of where the money came from / where i was.

i'm pretty confident that incident #2 was related to flying in from south america to Miami airport but still airport security has some crazy RNG

On January 19 2012 10:39 NMcNasty wrote: Anyone read the article? "It was revealed by prosecution that a secondary search of the defendants brought on by the nervousness of the sweating younger brother, showed that the brothers were each in possession of $9,400." No one had more than 10k, and one of the three arrested was just a cousin (different last name). So basically its all cuz they didn't declare "as family." Seems like they knew the law and were deliberately careful about it but are getting screwed by the fine print.

i think there is a law to combat this called structuring which makes it illegal for one person to divide up his money (exceeding 10k obv) across x amount of people such that each person has less than 10k. this is what i heard at pca a few years ago and almost everyone was guilty of it leaving pca but it seems generally hard to prove. i dont know the people (nor did i read the article sry t.t) but people who brought family generally had them take back $9xxx. given the improbability of 3 actual good poker players in a family thats probably what happened. generally it seems hard to prove but with minimal legwork it probably wouldnt be in this occasion (if its the case)

I'm unclear on this, what happens if you just do the honest thing and declare that you have over $10k? Do you pay a tax on it or something?

^no tax, but you may be pulled aside for questioning that might take a while.

I would be interested to see the exact wording on the customs form. Whether its asked on the form or by the officials if it's "Are you bringing in10k in more?" saying you have more than 10k when it's only $9400 would be lying.

On January 19 2012 16:21 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 14:06 Baalim wrote:   On January 19 2012 13:41 Highcard wrote: wtf family? how does that apply when each has under $10k. Pretty fucking stupid. So if you have $9500 you can cross border without saying a word? Yes you can cross with $9,999.99 i've crossed with 9,800 before. the agent asked me if i had cash i told him i had 9,800 he asked me like 3 times sternly if i am sure it is under 10k and let me go without looking. another time in Miami airport I declared that I had something like 20k and got detained/questioned for like 2 hours while the agents knew full well i was going to miss a connection and instantly provided all documentation of where the money came from / where i was. i'm pretty confident that incident #2 was related to flying in from south america to Miami airport but still airport security has some crazy RNG

It was probably because you're black.

On January 19 2012 19:02 NMcNasty wrote: I would be interested to see the exact wording on the customs form. Whether its asked on the form or by the officials if it's "Are you bringing in10k in more?" saying you have more than 10k when it's only $9400 would be lying.

Its asked in the form and sometimes the officials ask you too.

The forms always have those checkboxes asking if you have been in contact with animals or are bringing any vegetables etc, usually at the bottom it says that if you carry over 10k (including travelers checks) you write down how much and you usually get pulled and questioned about the money a bit, ive heard its really quick but it seems that some people here were there a long time.

On January 19 2012 16:21 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 14:06 Baalim wrote:   On January 19 2012 13:41 Highcard wrote: wtf family? how does that apply when each has under $10k. Pretty fucking stupid. So if you have $9500 you can cross border without saying a word? Yes you can cross with $9,999.99 i've crossed with 9,800 before. the agent asked me if i had cash i told him i had 9,800 he asked me like 3 times sternly if i am sure it is under 10k and let me go without looking. another time in Miami airport I declared that I had something like 20k and got detained/questioned for like 2 hours while the agents knew full well i was going to miss a connection and instantly provided all documentation of where the money came from / where i was. i'm pretty confident that incident #2 was related to flying in from south america to Miami airport but still airport security has some crazy RNG

Miami airport is one of the worst airports in the world, i missed my connection flight to Bahamas because the immigration line was over an hour long and you still had to go through security again

I would rather go to Norwegian jail for 1 month than lose 25k

But i rather die than go to American jail for 1 month i think

missing plane or not need to def declare that shit...26k lesson learned. sick beat tho ;(

it's standard for customs to just take your shit if it's breaking any sort of laws...such as fruit/meats etc. and cash/monies is no exception

On January 19 2012 20:39 VanDerMeyde wrote: I would rather go to Norwegian jail for 1 month than lose 25k But i rather die than go to American jail for 1 month i think

what

On January 19 2012 21:13 SpasticInk wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 20:39 VanDerMeyde wrote: I would rather go to Norwegian jail for 1 month than lose 25k But i rather die than go to American jail for 1 month i think what

he'd rather go to a nice resort prison compared to the federal pound me in the ass prison

On January 19 2012 19:57 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 16:21 nolan wrote:   On January 19 2012 14:06 Baalim wrote:   On January 19 2012 13:41 Highcard wrote: wtf family? how does that apply when each has under $10k. Pretty fucking stupid. So if you have $9500 you can cross border without saying a word? Yes you can cross with $9,999.99 i've crossed with 9,800 before. the agent asked me if i had cash i told him i had 9,800 he asked me like 3 times sternly if i am sure it is under 10k and let me go without looking. another time in Miami airport I declared that I had something like 20k and got detained/questioned for like 2 hours while the agents knew full well i was going to miss a connection and instantly provided all documentation of where the money came from / where i was. i'm pretty confident that incident #2 was related to flying in from south america to Miami airport but still airport security has some crazy RNG Miami airport is one of the worst airports in the world, i missed my connection flight to Bahamas because the immigration line was over an hour long and you still had to go through security again

My wife and I have both been detained there on separate occasions. Me for walking too fast and her for having a common latino name

On January 19 2012 18:54 NMcNasty wrote: ^no tax, but you may be pulled aside for questioning that might take a while.

So get there early, declare and there's no problem? Sigh, poker players.

If you know you have more than 10k why would you ever take the chance? If I had 20k on me I'd make sure to get at the airport a few hours early before departure. But hey, that's only the logical thing to do.

So what's the exact rule? Less than 10k per person? Just checking that my girlfriend and I can go with <20k and have no troubles not declaring.

On January 20 2012 08:32 exalted wrote: So what's the exact rule? Less than 10k per person? Just checking that my girlfriend and I can go with <20k and have no troubles not declaring.

No. Even though that's the rule that makes the most sense, and that's the question asked by authorities and on the forms, apparently its not worth the risk. You either must declare or carry less than 10k total.

On January 20 2012 07:48 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On January 19 2012 18:54 NMcNasty wrote: ^no tax, but you may be pulled aside for questioning that might take a while. So get there early, declare and there's no problem? Sigh, poker players. If you know you have more than 10k why would you ever take the chance? If I had 20k on me.....

No one had more than 10k on them. The point is its ridiculous to assume the law pertains to the group you're traveling with and not just each person individually, since what constitutes your group or family can vary.

Copy of form

To be honest the form is clearer than I suspected, but I think a lot depends on how many forms they filled out. Its pretty clear its just a lazy idiot move if they only filled out one, though full seizure of their funds is still unjustified imo. If they did fill out more than one form their main mistake was admitting guilt too quickly. It still doesn't seem like there's any way it can be proven that they aren't just carrying their own money.

Here's the extra form you have to fill out when you declare:

http://www.fincen.gov/forms/files/fin105_cmir.pdf

On January 20 2012 11:14 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2012 07:48 Twisted wrote:   On January 19 2012 18:54 NMcNasty wrote: ^no tax, but you may be pulled aside for questioning that might take a while. So get there early, declare and there's no problem? Sigh, poker players. If you know you have more than 10k why would you ever take the chance? If I had 20k on me..... No one had more than 10k on them. The point is its ridiculous to assume the law pertains to the group you're traveling with and not just each person individually, since what constitutes your group or family can vary.

Well I think it works like this. If each person in the group can prove how and where they got the money from and that it is theirs then they'd likely be able to keep it.

Like say all 3 of them cashed in the tournament for >9k then they'd probably all get to keep their money.

It's probably because only one of them could prove where he got his money from in that they could determine it was all his and just divided up.

Im actually curious, is you miss your flight due to 3h long investigation by retarded customs agent, are you getting any refund/ticket for next flight?