50/100NL w Bottom Set from PCA

Hand is played by my roommate. Game is a $50/$100NL with a bunch of tough online regs. Villan is a pretty well known high stakes reg, but since this is the first orbit of sitting down you have no history or reads on him whatsoever other than the info given from a friend previously that he's played big online & live for a while now. The fish at the table seems like your standard loose/passive bad older gentleman. You're sitting the shortest stack at the table with $18.5k.

The lone fish at the table raises from EP to $400, you flat in the BTN w . Villan is in SB, he flats, and BB also flat calls.

Flop: (Pot: $1600)
Villan leads $1200 from the SB, the BB folds, the fish flat calls pretty quickly. You raise to $4,000. Villan tanks for 20 seconds then shoves all-in for $30k, the fish has Villan covered but folds. $14,100 left in your stack. Thoughts on flop action and decision here?

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At least give us villain name if hes that well known, I think i know who the fish is, anyways seems like a fold but depends on which known HS'er villain is

:O. villain leading range should be pretty strong here shouldn't it? i dunno why we would raise-fold here.

Seems like a fold. The lead looks pretty strong here imo, I would consider just flatting bottom set.

very easy fold

Can't see villain doing this with 56 or worse, so..

close call with 55. 44 is a fold. also a horrible flop raise imo

If I'm Tom I snapcall, if im a normal human I fold

Tom has a pretty monstrous image if that helps lol

Thoughts on the hand if he's the preflop raiser?

i feel if you raise you should plan on calling it all off

just flat if you're not sure what to do if villain shoves

I think villains possible bluff holding is pretty much 77 and value range is skewed towards 66, 78 and probably 55. We cant get it in here as many have stated.

Regarding his flop lead: He probably does not want the fish to cbet and get someone to raise, and the fish can get away when Villain raises again. Also will lead good hands because fish is passive and will check quite a bit.

If BTN is the preflopraiser I think his lead is even stronger. Lets say he has topset/straight. 1. He does not want the flop to get checked around, it is entirely plausible it gets checked to button who decides for freecard. 2. He does not want to checkraise buttons cbet and chase out fish if he does not have to. 3. It looks kind of weaker to lead out then going for the checkraise on such a dry-ish board - makes his range less polarized.

If he had 77 I love his play, but I dont think he has it enough to warrant a call from us. Also agree with flatting flop is best.

From the high stakes players on LP's points of view if you're villain and you have:

1) 55
2) 66
3) 56
4) 77
5) AA
6) 37
7) 78

How do you play flop?

I know he's never playing AA this way and probably folds 37 from SB, but I included them because I'm interested in how they should be played.

Probably lead all. Fold 56 to raise, continue with rest. I could consider check/call-raise flop w/ 55 here too.

Decision is the same if you are the preflop raiser?

On January 17 2012 03:17 JonnyCosMo wrote: Decision is the same if you are the preflop raiser?

In a sense yes, I expressed my view above.

However, if he puts us on a more "Hi-Card, High pair" nutty range preflop with a preflop raise, maybe that could influence our decisions. That is if he percieves us as going for protection with big pair here - if he thinks that yeah then we got a more difficult decision.

Whats your take Cosmo?

fold. dont raise flop

i told him once I raise flop I prolly cry call but I prolly don't raise flop.

if this is a sick sick whale and ur prepared to fold to the other guy i tihnk this line is ok. as is tho its a flat and now a fold :|

On January 17 2012 15:49 JonnyCosMo wrote: i told him once I raise flop I prolly cry call but I prolly don't raise flop.

thats cuz u play live now and u dont know what an equities is -_-. 44 is RAPED here with all the straight combos and higher sets. also big draws

btw i know correct syntax this was on purpose :0

would be interested in results, but im guessing hero called and villain tabled 55

@100 blinds standard raise/call / cooler yes?

seems like raise/fold is good with our stacks if fish is really bad and we know villain won't semibluff allin here (since we're saying fold even vs this strong reg)

the fish is your standard loose/passive whale type.

I'd raise/fold if the villain is really good. Makes the hand easier to play then seeing 3way turn. Also protects u from making mistakes on future streets.

On January 17 2012 17:29 DooMeR wrote: if this is a sick sick whale and ur prepared to fold to the other guy i tihnk this line is ok. as is tho its a flat and now a fold :|

if its the fish im thinking (very likely it is) he is not a huge whale.

On January 19 2012 13:58 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2012 17:29 DooMeR wrote: if this is a sick sick whale and ur prepared to fold to the other guy i tihnk this line is ok. as is tho its a flat and now a fold :| if its the fish im thinking (very likely it is) he is not a huge whale.

na im not saying anything about the specific situation im saying this is basically what id be thinking. if one is true then i think that line is fine, if it isnt then dont use it Hypotheticals are more fun than reality and more informative in this case

who is the possible mark that everyone thinks it is?

i would raise to iso the fish and fold to villains RR. dont like flatting much.

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villian is rr'ing a really high % of the time. raise fold is a gigantic spew

On January 19 2012 17:33 DooMeR wrote: who is the possible mark that everyone thinks it is?

Nobody very well known just some old guy, was on PCA (knew some ppl) and i later saw him in the 50/100 tables, i was thinking about joining the table but i would have to get the cash and sell action and meh didnt want the hassle so i went to the aquarium instead

is the aquarium a metaphor for the 10/20 and 5/10 live games for you (to see the fish) or do you mean, literally, the aquarium :D

he probably means aquarium (literally)

hes such a nit he probably means an actual aquarium

Aquarium = taco stand.

the resort has the biggest aquarium in the world

(and it's free) - nit