NL50 lost in this scenario, with QQ IP

Submitted by : el_tilon

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$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 05, 03:07:15 ET 2012
Table Norwich Real Money
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: Geeezit $34.37 USD
Seat 3: Hero $59.35 USD
Seat 4: kune76 $50.22 USD
Seat 5: Emil1490 $50.00 USD
Seat 8: fu2BigBoi $48.50 USD
Seat 10: MaSiVer $93.03 USD
Hero posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
kune76 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Emil1490 folds
fu2BigBoi folds
MaSiVer raises [$1.75 USD]
Geeezit folds
Hero raises [$5.75 USD]
kune76 folds
MaSiVer calls [$4.25 USD]

Flop (Pot : $12.25)

   
Hero checks
MaSiVer checks

Turn (Pot : $12.25)

   
Hero bets [$8.50 USD]
MaSiVer calls [$8.50 USD]

River (Pot : $29.25)

   
Hero checks
MaSiVer bets [$15.00 USD]
Hero ???

I need help

i would barrel twice then c/f. you get value from 99/TT/JJ on two streets, and double blocker to KQ is nice.

bet smaller on the turn and also bet the river

this board is so SUPER dry, one of the dryest boards in all of poker, if your ever gonna bet small this is the palce to do it - I'd go $$6 on turn and like $10 on river, could even go smaller then that on river. you NEVER get rebluffed here ever

Its fine check flop?

For balance I'd say no , if you bet Khi board only with AK KQ AA you're really exploitable.
As stroggoz I bet flop and turn and give up river.

it's an unknown though, i think check flop is fine with the intention of calling at least once and maybe/probably twice depending on size of 2nd barrel. once he checks behind flop i think tom's line of ~halfpot turn and 10 or so on the river is clearly the best play.

betting 1/2 pot in the 3b pots these days is standard esp on this dry boards 100bb deep

I cbet flop, when you check it's turning your hand face up
also he will call you with much more worser hands at least on the flop

-as played fold on the river is fine... he is betting here for value and your hand is faceup and I don't thik he will try to bluff off your hand esp with his bet size

On January 06 2012 02:56 el_tilon wrote: Its fine check flop?

yeah its 100% fien on this board texture

i way perfer checking with QQ at these stakes then betting,I think most players will have really horrible bet when checekd to frequencies here, and not really have the hands to back up their bets (since no1 ever has AK when they flat, and you have 2 blockers to KQ)

I call the valuebet to gain info, but villain shows AK, never expected

On January 06 2012 14:37 el_tilon wrote: I call the valuebet to gain info, but villain shows AK, never expected

sounds like hes tight/scared / not familiar with the onlien game, these guys are good to pound on

On January 06 2012 15:36 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2012 14:37 el_tilon wrote: I call the valuebet to gain info, but villain shows AK, never expected sounds like hes tight/scared / not familiar with the onlien game, these guys are good to pound on

I may have played this hand exactly the same w/ AK knowing that I would probably only get 2 streets and it would be easier to do on turn and river. Is that bad?

Actually I woulda gotten it in on turn, but I prolly would check bakc flop

I don't mind a check on the flop but the sizing on the river is awful imo

On January 06 2012 16:36 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2012 15:36 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 06 2012 14:37 el_tilon wrote: I call the valuebet to gain info, but villain shows AK, never expected sounds like hes tight/scared / not familiar with the onlien game, these guys are good to pound on I may have played this hand exactly the same w/ AK knowing that I would probably only get 2 streets and it would be easier to do on turn and river. Is that bad? Actually I woulda gotten it in on turn, but I prolly would check bakc flop

yeah, thats really bad

you can bet or c/c flop depending, turn seems very close to a clear bet, river you can b/f , c/c , c/f depending

On January 06 2012 17:08 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2012 16:36 soberstone wrote:   On January 06 2012 15:36 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 06 2012 14:37 el_tilon wrote: I call the valuebet to gain info, but villain shows AK, never expected sounds like hes tight/scared / not familiar with the onlien game, these guys are good to pound on I may have played this hand exactly the same w/ AK knowing that I would probably only get 2 streets and it would be easier to do on turn and river. Is that bad? Actually I woulda gotten it in on turn, but I prolly would check bakc flop yeah, thats really bad

why?

On January 07 2012 02:45 soberstone wrote: why?

I dont want to answer for TT but I would say betting the flop with AK when checked to disguises your hand somewhat, as like he said at these stakes everyone bets flop when checked to.
On the other hand, when you check back flop then pile on the aggro on the turn, youre only really repping good made hands (dry board not great for bluffs) so you'll fold out the hands you'd get value from.

On January 07 2012 02:45 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2012 17:08 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 06 2012 16:36 soberstone wrote:   On January 06 2012 15:36 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 06 2012 14:37 el_tilon wrote: I call the valuebet to gain info, but villain shows AK, never expected sounds like hes tight/scared / not familiar with the onlien game, these guys are good to pound on I may have played this hand exactly the same w/ AK knowing that I would probably only get 2 streets and it would be easier to do on turn and river. Is that bad? Actually I woulda gotten it in on turn, but I prolly would check bakc flop yeah, thats really bad why?

Because when people don't c-bet a Kxx flop after 3-betting, they are NEVER check folding, they bet their air 100% of the time, therefore if you know your opponent is check calling, + he dosnt exepcet you to be strong ever, you need to bet ASAP

On January 07 2012 11:01 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On January 07 2012 02:45 soberstone wrote:   On January 06 2012 17:08 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 06 2012 16:36 soberstone wrote:   On January 06 2012 15:36 TalentedTom wrote:   On January 06 2012 14:37 el_tilon wrote: I call the valuebet to gain info, but villain shows AK, never expected sounds like hes tight/scared / not familiar with the onlien game, these guys are good to pound on I may have played this hand exactly the same w/ AK knowing that I would probably only get 2 streets and it would be easier to do on turn and river. Is that bad? Actually I woulda gotten it in on turn, but I prolly would check bakc flop yeah, thats really bad why? Because when people don't c-bet a Kxx flop after 3-betting, they are NEVER check folding, they bet their air 100% of the time, therefore if you know your opponent is check calling, + he dosnt exepcet you to be strong ever, you need to bet ASAP

what it mean ASAP? agresive as posible?

cbet tilon

as soon as possible

lol, it means 'as soon as possible' but i think aggressive as possible is better

On January 06 2012 06:42 waga wrote: For balance I'd say no , if you bet Khi board only with AK KQ AA you're really exploitable. As stroggoz I bet flop and turn and give up river.

I don't think balance matters on low stakes. Hell, to let you in on a secret, 2 years ago when I actually started winning for a while at NL2k (until I decided omaha was more fun and threw it all away, lol) I was quite possibly the least balanced reg on the planet unless I knew I'd play like 5-10k hands per month with the villian.

Actually, my thesis in law school was largely about how you shouldn't give a shit about game theory if you think you can outplay the opponent some other way.

I think the turn bet is bad since your oop and can't control the pot the river. Probably want to check it down and get some thin value on the river. Unless you have some kinda soul read on'em then that's cool I found that doing ev-calcs with spots like these help to better understand it, or watch the pot control vid on leak buster if you have HEM