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Gordon Vayo sues PokerStars for $700,000 poker room confiscated

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Defrag   Poland. May 11 2018 09:00. Posts 4681

Pro player Gordon Vayo sues PokerStars. According to him the operator withheld $700,000, that poker player won during the popular Spring Championship of Online Poker (SCOOP). Vayo was playing as “holla@yoboy” and under the nickname won Event #1 (High): $1,050 No Limit Hold’em (Phase 2), gor which he (should have) cashed $692,460.

PokerStars responds that Vayo was playing from the United States, which is an obvious breach of PokerStars terms and regulations. Poker room is very sensitive when it comes to cases like that – Americans can't play for real money while in the USA.

The lawsuit filed in the District Court in California covers breach of the agreement between a player and operator as well as fraud. Vayo says that PokerStars has no right to keep the money. Poker player delivered evidence that during the SCOOP he was in fact in Canada and this is not forbidden. Many Americans grind big festivals online from Montreal, Toronto and other Canadian cities upon verification.

PokerStars replies that the evidence is not sufficient and that's why the money was confiscated.

The lawsuit reads:
– PokerStars is known for accepting players from the USA. The website encourages players to join the games and collects rake for years. After someone from the USA wins a huge amount of money they start an investigation to prove the player was in America, which in turn is a reason not to pay the money out.

Vayo decided it's high time to go to court. He wants to get his money back as well as claim damages, which according to local law can amount to $2,000,000. He argues he tries to protect himself and other players and as we read there can be more examples like his.

Vayo is one of many players who decided to leave the US after Black Friday. Poker player was grinding in the past years in Canada and Mexico. When in May 2017 he won SCOOP, no one blocked his account and he was still grinding. PokerStars even used his image for promotion.

Problem began in July 2017. Gordon wanted to withdraw his winnings and then his account was frozen due to the illegal use of VPN. PokerStars claims poker player was using VPN to hide his true location.

It's hard to say who is telling the truth, especially because Vayo was using VPN to navigate the site. This is however a common practice, as many players do it for various purposes.

Vayo was trying to get his money back and finally he hired a lwayer. Only then PokerStars responded saying that he has recently played 56,000 hands from the US territory. The American replies that this is not true, because he only played 9k hands, including those that got him SCOOP title.

PokerStars supposedly presented a list of connections that were made using VPN. According to PS they prove that Vayo was in the USA. Gordon responds that the VPN service was using was malfunctioning – Vayo even informed about it PokerStars! Additionally his ISP, connections and logs indicate he was indeed in Canada. He delivered proof of that, but the room claims it is not enough.

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Nitewin   United States. May 11 2018 14:07. Posts 990

daaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn


Nitewin   United States. May 11 2018 14:08. Posts 990

also claim damages = 300% of claim amount. oh lawsuits.


deathstar   United States. May 11 2018 17:09. Posts 103

I believe pokerstars on this one. Pokerstars doesn't withhold money from tournament winners for profit or else they go out of business and this would occur at a higher frequency IMO. He cheated.
Sucks for Vayo, 700k is huge win.
Does 2nd place now get 1st place money, and everyone moves up the pay jump the appropriate amount?
That should occur.

 Last edit: 11/05/2018 17:13

casinocasino   Canada. May 11 2018 19:24. Posts 3310

Think they did exactly that. Paid out 2ed first place money


Floofy   Canada. May 11 2018 23:20. Posts 8667

i'm not 100% sure who's telling the truth.
I would tend to believe the OLD ps, the one run by Scheinberg family.
But the new owners seems kinda shady.
But this guy could easily lie too.

Regardless, seizing the money is extremely shady imo. If he lost the tourney, would they have returned him the money because he played from the US? lol
Imo, if they were honest, they wouldn't just conduct the investigation right after he won big. They would conduct it at random times, and if someone is found guilty of playing from the US, allow the player to cashout but close his account after.

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

deathstar   United States. May 12 2018 03:45. Posts 103

If you used VPN from USA and won 700k and got caught. Would you lie about it or come clean?


NewbSaibot   United States. May 12 2018 05:37. Posts 4822

I bet he lost his VPN connection at some point with the pokerstars client running and it reconnected from his true IP. Need a VPN with a "killswitch" that shuts down all network activity until the VPN is properly reconnected.

listening to edzwoo has made u a nit... *sigh* - Zalfor 

Nitewin   United States. May 13 2018 03:16. Posts 990

should have dumped his winnings to other highstakes player to withdraw for him


drone666   Brasil. May 13 2018 15:36. Posts 1570

pokersstars shouldve distributed his money to the people that played that donkament since he took EV$ off them by playing ilegally


FrinkX   United States. May 13 2018 16:24. Posts 7436


  On May 11 2018 22:20 Floofy wrote:
i'm not 100% sure who's telling the truth.
I would tend to believe the OLD ps, the one run by Scheinberg family.
But the new owners seems kinda shady.
But this guy could easily lie too.

Regardless, seizing the money is extremely shady imo. If he lost the tourney, would they have returned him the money because he played from the US? lol
Imo, if they were honest, they wouldn't just conduct the investigation right after he won big. They would conduct it at random times, and if someone is found guilty of playing from the US, allow the player to cashout but close his account after.



lol of course he did it, just like tons of other US players including myself. his vpn broke and he got caught or PS actually puts effort into investigating their big time FTs. i ran two VPNs and had a computer full time in mexico running a virtual machine. i also didnt FT anything :D

why would PS lie about this, causing all this drama and an inevitable lawsuit, with no financial upside? we know how greedy they are.

cant blame him for trying to sue and get it back, especially with PS' current state. lol @ getting 2m tho ROFL

not sure how u think PS seizing the money is wrong in any way. he broke the TOS, got caught, the money was seized and then redistributed to the players who were directly effected. Same as when people collude in SNGs and get caught and the money gets seized and refunded to the players by pokerstars.

cant expect them to investigate everything, they are clearly cheap. they might be investigating sizable FTs only for maximum compensation to the cheated players. if they did it at random... they.... might....have to hire some new people? lolol

bitch on a pension suck my dong 

Nitewin   United States. May 13 2018 21:53. Posts 990

reverse knockout bounty ? chop it up !


 





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