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PokerStars no longers lets you Fold when you can check/fold

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Garfed   Malta. Dec 15 2016 23:52. Posts 4818

Well this is an unusual move - the fold button is no more at PokerStars in certain situations. When faced with a check player could choose fold, check or bet, and when he tried to fold - software asked if he is sure to fold, as checking was free. This is no longer an option.

Basically, PokerStars decided that in a fold/check situation when checking is free, player will be always forced to check behind. This is a mistake sometimes done by inexperienced players, when they fold while having a option to check for free. However, wasn't the previous information just enough ?

This change has been made for the benefit of new players, as PokerStars says. The update was just rolled out today.

However, this hits the fundamental rules of poker. This is also now every different from live poker rules, where you can still fold by mistake and your hand is instantly dead.

The real question is - what was the justification for the change? There are some voices on 2+2 forum saying that this is yet another attempt for PokerStars to make more money from rake, as all players will be forced to check in a situation when they could fold, and they might catch some kind of draw or card that could complete on next streets. Then they will continue to call and increase the pool in the hand and in the effect - the rake. However, this theory could be a nit-picking and PokerStars could have the best interest of newbie players at their mind and nothing more.

What do you think about the change?

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 Last edit: 16/12/2016 00:00

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Dec 16 2016 00:11. Posts 5108

Well sometimes i prefer to fold on the river in a multiway pot to not show how unbelievable weak i played my big draw f.example.

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ClouD87   Italy. Dec 16 2016 04:25. Posts 524

lol i abused this so hard when i was doing stuff way out of line on the turn


ggplz   Sweden. Dec 16 2016 05:27. Posts 16784

Unless I'm missing something... If people check on the river where there's no option to fold, no further bets were made and no additional rake is taken as the pot size is the same. I'm just saddened we'll never see legendary twin-caracas open-folds on the river any more. More seriously, folding the river is a valid move and I don't think it should be made impossible.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

blackjacki2   United States. Dec 16 2016 05:46. Posts 2581

Didn't pressing fold used to create a prompt like "Are you sure? You can check for free" or something? If that prompt wasn't enough to protect inexperienced players then maybe they deserve to get punished for being so stupid.


NewbSaibot   United States. Dec 16 2016 07:26. Posts 4943


  On December 16 2016 04:27 ggplz wrote:
Unless I'm missing something... If people check on the river where there's no option to fold, no further bets were made and no additional rake is taken as the pot size is the same. I'm just saddened we'll never see legendary twin-caracas open-folds on the river any more. More seriously, folding the river is a valid move and I don't think it should be made impossible.

It's not just for checking the river, it's for open folding on any street. I've seen players do this on the flop and even turn. The theory is that stars doesnt want some fish folding the flop with his 72o that backfired, and instead would prefer that he pair his deuce on the turn to give him some incentive to stay in the hand and thus potentially create a larger pot to rake if any further betting occurs.

bye now 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 16 2016 11:03. Posts 9634

As soon as the title reads "Pokerstars" you know its gonna be something retarded again. Its funny how in 2 years you can turn the most player friendly room into one thats right above the rooms that would not pay out your withdraws

 Last edit: 16/12/2016 11:04

Baalim   Mexico. Dec 16 2016 22:04. Posts 34246

The button was removed to be more friendly to totally new users, the pop-up can be confusing and intimidating to people who play online poker for the first time, it makes total sense to me, its crazy to believe it is some kind of rake trap lol come on guys.


BTW for those who use this deliberately to not show, you can still fold with Hotkeys

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online 

lostaccount   Canada. Dec 17 2016 00:20. Posts 5739


  On December 16 2016 21:04 Baalim wrote:
The button was removed to be more friendly to totally new users, the pop-up can be confusing and intimidating to people who play online poker for the first time, it makes total sense to me, its crazy to believe it is some kind of rake trap lol come on guys.


BTW for those who use this deliberately to not show, you can still fold with Hotkeys



Anything else stars say they do to help recreational but they only do it for their interest. I do not trust them with their history even if this time they are right. You seriously telling me people are scare of a pop up box telling them they have options. Come on I know you get a cheque from stars but this just seems bias. I get making money on the table is tough these days, and you got to pay the bill somehow but to represent a site that fucks all poker player is just questionable.

-_-;; 

Baalim   Mexico. Dec 17 2016 03:31. Posts 34246

cool story bro, yes its confusing for beginners, there is virtually no rake to be gained by this dont be ridiculous ffs

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online 

[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Dec 17 2016 09:13. Posts 1585

Kind of agree with baal here. i doubt this is some grand scheme to get more rake. but it does seem useless i dont think even rec players were getting confused about options they had.

[GiTM]- GoSu in the Making 

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 17 2016 10:11. Posts 9634

I agree with him as well(about the rake ) , except this is still dumb as fuck thing to do. Let's highlight their best options from now on so they wont get confused shall we?

 Last edit: 17/12/2016 10:12

lostaccount   Canada. Dec 17 2016 20:18. Posts 5739

-_-;;Last edit: 17/12/2016 22:11

devon06atX   Canada. Dec 17 2016 21:29. Posts 5458

Fucks up my tableninja. Used to be 'a' was check/fold (if there was a bet), now I have to actually use my d key to check. Screwed me up numerous times already, but I'm sure I'll get used to this. Just weird after playing that way for so many years

Not the end of the world, just annoying. And don't really get why they think there was a need for a fix


 



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