tianyuan - blogfeed from tianyuan blog2008-10-02T07:06:28+01:00fc 1.7.2Day 91970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuan[img]http://www.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/f860aae3f6163ec4a3bde6ee60a3d719.png[/img]
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501633 - Standard? He was like, 70/20/3, pretty loose.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501663 - lol this wasn't really planned (ie it wasn't like "I'm gonna bet small to induce" it was "I'm gonna bet small to get him to call with his 3rd pair"), but I'm obviously snapcalling after making such a small bet.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501617 - grosssssssssss..... I think I have to bet turn tho?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501611 - Bleh, I thought he was completely FOS here, last time he flopped top set he donked out pot then checked a boat turn.. Meh.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501607 - Sort of obvious but he had played like 12 hands straight since joining the table..
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501586 - Meh. 50/20ish guy but not seen him before and first reraise.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501589 - Nit-rage-I'm-not-folding mode engaged.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501596 - Owned take 3 :P
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501582 - Sorry~_~
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501599 - I guess I'm an idiot, Babygrand!
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501588 - Nice flop! Although I didn't realize I had 2 pair here, I might not have shoved then.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501657 - When I first saw his hand I missed the 9 and was wondering WTF he was doing with a bare top pair no kicker.
Ran good today, I'm green for PLO 1/2 now =]
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It would probably be less ugly looking if I played better :)
In other news I'm starting to get the old wanderlust again. That is, shopping around for new pokersites to play! Playing on stars is fun, but longterm it's stupid, paying taxes when you don't have to just because you like the software is, well, dumb.
So it needs to be european:
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Almost even on 1/2 now, just another buyin and a half.. :) I think I played good most of the time today, was slightly tilted for a while but regrouped fairly quickly.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501006 - I REALLY thought he had quads heh, but with the odds I figured oh well, maybe he has QQ/KK enough of the time..
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501008 - I know a few days back I had some silly hand where I shoved a trashy flushdraw on a paired board in a 3bet pot for 100bb (and got it in drawing almost dead to AA with a flushdraw), but in this case I SHOULD shove right?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501017 - I regret betting here, I had won the last two pots and I remember from an earlier session that he check/raised me the 3rd (or so) time I had raised his limp/raised in general.. I feel like if I cbet here, with how much I felt like he was itching to c/r, I shouldn't be folding.. Which might be pretty spewy so a check behind is probably best.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501018 - I'm very happy with this hand~
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501021 - I'm not sure if these types of bluffs are great, but it worked this time at least.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501024 - Hmm, maybe I should bet turn again, 45 probably doesn't raise me, and for him to call on the flop and now have the high end of the straight he'd have to have 89T* and I have two 8s so that's fairly unlikely, I guess he could have 9T** with clubs too.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501030 - Yuck. Bet/fold turn > c/c? He's 13/8/1.8
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501034 - Standard or should I call because his shove range should include more draws than Ax hands? Is KK44 double paired/single suited an alright 3bet or do I really need them to be double suited? Fwiw, TheAndOn was a very loose aggressive player.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501041 - I hate folding here, I see visions of him turning QJ into a bluff before my eyes.. I considered c/ring river briefly to fold out KT (or 9T if he'd bet that..he sort of instapotted it). But he can have AT himself so meh.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501043 - Should I bet turn you think? Am I being too scared of the nutflush when I have the 2nd nuts? With this many people in, do you think this board is better to c/r (since it's quite an action board)?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501044 - Felt good to do this after the last hand :P I'm not sure I should be potting in these spots, in hold'em I would probably jam here a lot (since nobody folds a boat or trips ever here) but do you think I I'll actually fold out some low boats here?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501046 - Bluuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh? Fold flop? It's like, a super small raise I feel dirty folding with that many outs :( On the turn I have like a bazillion million different outs (something like 40% equity vs the nuts).. Meh.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501054 - Same guy as above.. now he c/raises me pot. Get it in or call? I have 17 outs but I suppose I'm kinda cooked vs 6789 or 5678.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501062 - Same guy as above, this whale just owned me every hand. I was a bit tilted at the time, I think my turn bet is *really* terrible in retrospect, I don't really get a call from worse. I'm unsure about the river, maybe it's a call? Such a weirdly played hand =[
I have no idea what to make of his different lines/betsizes in the three hands. I don't think I got to see anything he showed down..
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501055 - I don't think I want to get it in here, so this is probably standard.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501051 - Should have bet river.. I didn't think he was gonna fold after he snapcalled me on the turn tho. Oh well.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501063 - Aboo. Standard/not standard? Like, I have the blocker for the nut flush obv but even so, it's a 3bet pot, people probably don't fold any flush here. And I'm pretty much drawing dead vs a flush.. :)
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501064 - It's just hilarious how he doesn't raise me with the nuts.. :D Maybe he missed out on the fact that he had 99?? I don't know.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501081 - Reraising this preflop would probably be alright? Post flop I think it's played ok after the ace comes, because he's gonna bluff that a ton.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501084 - Am I missing out on value by not betting bottomset here? I'm not overly scared of him drawing two streets with a straightdraw on double flushdraw board but still.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501207 - :) Pretty early in the session but I had noticed he was very aggressive iirc.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/501209 - I think I like this a lot, the lead looks fairly FOS, and this way I'll get it in very good if he does happen to have the NFD.
I'm slightly ahead of schedule (8.9k hands after only 8 days of playing, or actually after only 6 days of playing and 2 days break, but still) and really enjoying poker which is awesome, been a while since I enjoyed grinding :)Day 71970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuanTook a couple of days break but since I played 3k hands instead of the usual 1k before I did, I'm still on track handwise.
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I feel like I start playing poorly after about.. 5-600 hands, I guess it could just be that I started off running good and that's why I feel that way, but it just felt like I was too passive and not paying as much attention as I should. Maybe it's an effect of all my tables finally kicking in (ie at the start of my session I'll be on 2-3 tables with 2-3 waitlists).
Maybe I should stick to 4 until I get better..
I really tightened up out of position today as I think that's where I was leaking the most, that and playing trashy QQ/JJ type hands.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500500 - Not sure I'm deep enough to c/r the river so I elected to just bet it and hope to fold out 2 pairs or maaaaaaybe a straight.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500509 - Not quite getting odds to boat up so maybe I should fold this turn..
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500518 - He snapcalled the turn so I decided to call river, I didn't think he'd flat turn with just a straight draw that often..
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500519 - Here's a situation I'm not sure about: I have extremely trashy jacks and a fish limps.. Can I overlimp in position or it just gonna be too spewy to play this hand as a pure setmine?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500541 - All I can say about this hand is "wtf mate?"
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500547 - I hate these hands oop. Call/call/fold seems.. so weird. Call/fold seems terribly exploitable as well not to mention he's gonna valuebet bottomset on the turn. Call/call/call with no history or read on him seems terrible as well. I ended up call/fold which I immediately regretted.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500559 - Turning hand into a bluff on turn seem ok?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500563 - I should probably make some really weird tiny bet on the river since he more or less never has a better hand here.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500566 - I'm not sure if this is really terrible or really expert by me.. But I decided to bet turn as a bluff to get him to fold something like overpair+fd or a better jack+fd.. I thought for sure he'd get it in with a set on the flop but when he then raises this turn.. I dunnom, I think I'm drawing to (maybe) a jack so I fold. Is it better to check down? No idea how to react to a river bet tho.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500573 - Seems standard (I'm bluffing btw, in case anyone new to plo happens to think I'm valueraising).
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500583 - I'm not sure if I should bet here because he's somewhat likely to have a queen if he had some kind of SD (say QJXX) or check because a flushdraw missed. He's like 80/1 something, and I saw him c/c bottom set+2nd nut fd on 3Q9 3 way before, then call a c/r and c/c a blank turn so he's not really one to play sets fast. Actually in this case I think he was worried he was behind because he thought for a while on the turn, dunno dont think he was slowrolling. Anyway I'm I thought if he had slowplayed a set he'd for sure bet here and I could c/r.. Meh I'm not sure if his river check is really expert or really bad.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500601 - Really regret 3betting here, it chases the super deep 80/1 fish out of the pot :(
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500624 - Is the initial preflop call bad with a gap at the top? Once it gets 3bet, should I be at all worried about flopping dominated draws etc 3 way or just standard call (I'm thinking it's a very standard call but for some reason I made a weird fold..).
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500628 - H m ~ I should probably be getting it in here considering stacksizes.. Would a lead be ok to try to get him off AA**? Maybe it's transparent but it's not like I have any fold equity once he bets anyway.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/500649 - Check/raising or betting.. On the one hand, someone could reason that it's hard for me to have a hand I'll bet all three streets with that loves this river and maybe turn something into a bluff and raise me.. On the other hand he did like to draw. On the 3rd hand, maybe he doesn't bet a weak flush.
Overall I'm down just under 3 buyins at 1/2 PLO this month, which is alright considering my relative freshness to PLO and all. There's a nice post on 2p2 about PT analysis (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=1729) and setting up categories in PTO (at page 2, I think, there's a list you can copy paste so you don't have to set them up yourself).
I noticed I'm down a ton with QQ / JJ type hands since moving up to 1/2, I think part of it is that they ran into quads a couple of times (JJ twice, QQ once) but it might also be that sets don't get paid off as well at 1/2 as at lower limits.. Fuck. Quads.1970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuan[img]http://www.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/bb36bb63cd914f9a6962742917c9591a.png[/img]
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498710
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498746
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498462
Fuck retarded runner runners:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498877
Fuck this guy too:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498872
This guy slow rolled me with quads, then made a straight vs my top set. YAY.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/498743
Oh you want to know something else that's just delightful? Sitting on the wrong side of an 80/40 and an 80/22 and missing every flop every single time.
--;
I know 7 buyins isn't exactly unheard of in omaha but come on... boat vs quads THREE TIMES in one day?
I might abort the august grind just because I don't want to play on tilt. We'll see.
Btw I in no way blame this solely on variance, I am a tagfish when it comes to omaha, huge leaks, but the beats were fairly brutal today.
EDIT: Here's my total graph for omaha, I find the end pretty hilarious :D
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Day 41970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuanLol I'm stuck and want to play more! So I might.
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Whenever I am at a table where people minraise I just end up being a super weak passive =[ Played pretty bad vs them. Next session I play I'm gonna try to play less pots from the blinds, even to minraises. At least with the hands that aren't gonna flop strong enough multiway to continue with even when I do hit the flop a little bit.
I need to take some time before I make decisions, I noticed I made a few bluffs or calls where I really wasn't thinking through the situation anywhere near properly..
[b]Hands[/b]
Maybe I should bet this hand on the flop, at first I thought I had just the bottom end and was going to c/f. Hrm, although getting blown off sucks so I guess this is fine too..
[spoiler][hand=498538][/spoiler]
Snapcalled on every street, I think I should abstain from making these bluffs without some kind of read.
[spoiler][hand=498533][/spoiler]
Here we have another hand where I'm thinking but not really thinking.. IE, I'm thinking "my hand looks weak.. I block AA, I call" when I could just as well think "my hand looks like a jack, and he's potting, he probably has something". Bleh, I guess I don't HATE it because it's a very weird line..
[spoiler][hand=498532][/spoiler]
Call, snapcall, instashove.. I almost wanted to call since I had the Ah but he's a super loose passive fish.
[spoiler][hand=498513][/spoiler]
I think a 3bet preflop here would be pretty good, on the flop I think call is for the best.. On the river I can probably valuebet something at least.
[spoiler][hand=498509][/spoiler]
Hrmmmmmmmmmmmm. Hrmhpg. Villain is 19/2/6. Bet/call turn? c/c turn? If c/c turn, c/c any river -.-? Bleh I really didn't want to fold this but his stats looked so nitty. I mean, I GUESS there's a bunch of flushdraws he could play this way now that I checked to him.. I don't know.
[spoiler][hand=498507][/spoiler]
This felt weird, sort of like a float.. I sort of wanted to call here.
[spoiler][hand=498494][/spoiler]
Biggest spew of the day :) Note to self: you don't have to shove trashy flushdraws on paired boards just because it's a 3bet pot.
[spoiler][hand=498489][/spoiler]
Oh come on, why did you slowplay!
[spoiler][hand=498486][/spoiler]
Flipaments.
[spoiler][hand=498474][/spoiler]
Can probably fold turn.
[spoiler][hand=498472][/spoiler]
Raised too big on turn.
[spoiler][hand=498470][/spoiler]
This hand happened at the same time as the hand above, so I pretty much snapcalled. I'm not sure it's great.
[spoiler][hand=498471][/spoiler]
Maybe I need to check behind this river... I didn't really put him on a boat on turn since he didn't raise flop (but 9T probably doesn't, which is something I never remember). However, hands like QJTX etc did hit on river. Ah well..
[spoiler][hand=498465][/spoiler]
Raise/calling this flop this deep seems potentially extremely gross, so I elected to flat.
[spoiler][hand=498459][/spoiler]
To quote day[9]: push button, recieve bacon.
[spoiler][hand=498458][/spoiler]
Ended up making what's probably a really bad fold here, heh. Didn't really think I could valuebet it and with two people in I felt like the NF was bound to be out there. But a call is probably mandatory with these odds..
[spoiler][hand=498456][/spoiler]
Donkbets like this confuse me to no end. . . Briefly considered shoving river since his hand does sort of look like 2 pair~ish, problem is I guess he could have also picked up a flushdraw on turn..
[spoiler][hand=498454][/spoiler]
I want this guys luckbox.. :)
[spoiler][hand=498452][/spoiler]
A momentary lapse of reason.
[spoiler][hand=498566][/spoiler]
[b]Coolers/beats[/b]
[spoiler][hand=498543][/spoiler]
Top boat vs quads, oh well!
[spoiler][hand=498462][/spoiler]
Day 31970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuanOh yeah, need to make one of these. I'm tired tho so probably won't be as long as usual. I felt like I played bad (for the last half of the session anyway) but won money anyway so that's always fun.
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Lol@W$WSF and fold bb to steal #s. I think there was a ton of minraising being done so I was like calling a ton of only-just playable hands and folding when I brick the flop 5 way..
I think for future sessions I'll keep off msn, I'll save asking for advice until after the session (I was talking to Nuros about a couple of interesting hands and I realized my play was really slipping, but the hand was interesting so ;p bah).
In addition I had this cursed table, you know, the one where you NEVER win anything EVER? 12% w$wsf after 100 hands, pretty awesome (yes I realize it's a tiny sample and I could have not seen many flops at all in that time but I did and I kept getting raised or floated everytime).
[B]Hands[/B] - will try to keep it a little shorter this time
What should I do here? I know some are gonna suggest 3bet preflop but I'm not super keen on getting 4bet with a hand that doesn't really fair great vs AA**.. That being said, am I supposed to call here? We do have quite a lot of money behind and I'm in position..
[spoiler][hand=497996][/spoiler]
Happy with this call.
[spoiler][hand=497950][/spoiler]
Vs multitabling TAG looking guy.. I'm not sure what to put down for his range, like if I want to give him FDs, 7s, 66** and maybe some wraps.. but I can't give him just {77**}.. So yeah I'm gonna have to play around on propokertools.com and see what kind of equity I can find vs a reasonable range. On the one hand it's a board where people aren't supposed to bluff raise a ton, on the other hand it's a flop where I'm probably always cbetting. Hrmph.
[spoiler][hand=497941][/spoiler]
Hold'em roots showing through - I didn't even consider the wheeldraw as part of his range cuz, wheeldraws are gutshots right!? Well, not in omaha.. So I put him on something that made more outs on the turn / made 2 pair on the turn and was like ahhhhhh fuck it, gambool I'm probably almost flipping anyway. So turns out I wasn't, oops!
[spoiler][hand=498015][/spoiler]
But I donated it back so it's ok. I think maybe I should have waited for a brick turn to stick it in. The guy is 80/20 btw so I wasn't particularly worried about AA :)
[spoiler][hand=498021][/spoiler]
This was funny, I had to double check I hadn't misread my hand because I couldn't believe someone would take this line with one of the weaker sets in this spot lol.
[spoiler][hand=497956][/spoiler]
This is like the last hand I played yesterday, except it's the first hand I played today (.. which has now become yesterday since it's 3 am). Except in reverse.
[spoiler][hand=497923][/spoiler]
One of the best parts of omaha.. :) Although I don't think I have to make it that big..
[spoiler][hand=497932][/spoiler]
I'm sure there were a ton more interesting hands but I'm too tired for those right now.
Oh and if the level designer of Gears of War happens to be a poker player, and if he happens to read this, I just want you to know you are a bigger tilt inducer than KK vs AA. In heads up.
(the level where you first meet the Theron Guard or whatever they are called, gaaaaaah I want to smash something -
1) the spawn point is about 2 minutes walk from any actual enemies
2) everytime you die, you have to sidetrack and pick up the new weapon you get.
3) your AI partners are slow as slugs at the beginning because they have to discuss the scenery. Everytime. And you can't bypass it. Also, your main AI partner is a suicidal berseker who tries to charge the enemy and attack them with his chainsaw. This invariably leads to him dying and me dying because he managed to draw all of them out at once.
4) Arrows. With explosives. That attach to you and kill you. And you can't do anything about them.
Still a pretty fun game ;p
Also, I momentarily blacked out and forgot how to calculate pot odds when someone overbets so in shame I started watching the Mathematics of Hold'em series on Deucescracked. Then I realized I was a fucking idiot and had just missed a really super basic step which is why it wasn't working (OF course you're gonna get a weird number when you are not adding the riverbet to the pot you fucking fish!).
I'm still gonna watch those tho, cause my math is atrocious =]Day 21970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuan[img]http://www.liquidpoker.net/user_pictures/66e6885667c54f185e517255a5279897.png[/img]
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Very happy with my play today overall, would have been up 200$ more but the last hand I played I ran AA** into another AA** and some random hand, and lost. Oh well, c'est la vie :)
Was able to 6 table so it took just under 3 hours, might up the amount of hands I play per day or just do it like this then play some HU later in the day.
[B]Hands![/B] - comments appreciated.
I felt a c/r here could get him to call some hands like sets (and hopefully fold them on blanks), flushdraws etc (although I dont really want fds to call :() while folding out 2 pair, overpairs, or other hands that are ahead of me. I dunno what I think about calling, my flush outs are a) going to be very obvious b) might not be good, although I do have a gutshot.. And I could bluff at paired boards I suppose.
[spoiler][hand=497178][/spoiler]
I think this is ok, was a bit hesitant about betting turn. Would *really* suck to get bluff c/red by like the Kc here tho :] On the other hand, charging a set might be a good enough reason to bet.. But I'm probably only getting one street from a straight (if that, and most likely on the river) AND a set might call me on the river if I check back turn.
[spoiler][hand=497182][/spoiler]
I was considering if I could call turn and bluff spades if they came in (assuming I didn't boat), but I wasn't sure it'd be believable for me to call two pot bets with just a flushdraw. On the other hand, I'm an unknown so maybe I'd get credit for that.
[spoiler][hand=497343][/spoiler]
This fold feels verrrrry dirty because he's really only repping two hands - KK** with an ace high diamond flushdraw (or possibly Ad blocker) or AA** with diamonds. Of course on flop and turn he can have just the ace high draw but when he pots a board pairing card I don't think he has just a flush (esp. since my line could EASILY be a set). I don't know if he'd naked ace bluff (he's 20/3.5/1.5 over 1k hands) and I don't know if on the river he'd realize it's not really a great spot to continue bluffing with it since he'd be repping a different hand from what he had earlier etc.. Bleh. I don't like folding here but it seems correct vs someone so tight..
[spoiler][hand=497200][/spoiler]
I think because I'll dominate some of his draws, that this can't be too bad.
[spoiler][hand=497206][/spoiler]
If he bets this flop, I have to.. fold? I thiiiiink? Now that he checks flop, can I bet turn or is he trapping too often? He seemed like a regular btw. If I had a better flushdraw should I be calling one or is it really more of a question of "if you think his 3betting range is almost only AA, fold, if not, you should push", that type of deal?
[spoiler][hand=497210][/spoiler]
Am I better off just bet/folding this, charging some draws.. I feel like if I c/c then it's like saying "sup, I have some mediocre shit with outs, feel free to pot pot pot me out of the pot". And calling to bluff is meh because one of the hands he gets a license to pot pot pot me with is a flushdraw so bluffing hearts isn't gonna be great. =/
[spoiler][hand=497212][/spoiler]
Pretty much standard I would think.. How deep do I have to be to consider doing anything else?
[spoiler][hand=497214][/spoiler]
Am I betting too thin here? Perhaps I'm better off not charging a set here (if he has one) and just checking, which might get me one more street vs a set anyway, and allows me to pick off some bluffs + strengthens my check. Reason I'm asking is I seemed to be getting raised on the turn a whole lot when I was betting marginal hands. That being said, there IS a flushdraw out there..~ Maybe I should even be willing to call down, a turn minraise just seems so much like the nuts tho.
[spoiler][hand=497224][/spoiler]
Same as above sort of.. Although this might be an even clearer check. I was thinking I could fold out some hands that beat me (small overpair, a good jack, a better flushdraw) and if he has a 5 that isn't a boat he's gonna check/call and not c/r.. Etc. Meh, I would like to see a river tho :(
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I'm not sure if I should be raising flop here, I felt like keeping worse draws in was fine.. Turn I'm getting such a sweet price so ez call. River.. well, I don't think he bets a set on the turn (and I think he raises it on the flop), so I only think I'm beat if he had a better two pair with his straight.
[spoiler][hand=497226][/spoiler]
Villain is realllly fishy, I felt compelled to call river after checking turn (which I'm not sure I should be doing, but then , I didn't think I'd get called by a ton). I'm unsure what my equity here is vs the nuts (a straight), but the fact that my flushdraw isn't to the nuts might be an argument against raising flop (edit: pokerstoving vs the nuts I'm only 40% so ye, I'm not sure how awesome getting it in here would be really :D). I guess I can get it in vs set+fd or 2 pair+fd type hands which I *think* I have in pretty bad shape.
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Argh, I dunno if I played this awfully or not. I didn't want flop to get checked around since, well, half the deck sucks on the turn (or more). But I don't think I can call a snapshove from a solid player with just top 2 on this flop, I'm gonna be sooooo cooked a lot of the time it's not even funny.. Feels like a waste of money to bet 50 and fold tho =p Blah.
[spoiler][hand=497235][/spoiler]
Vs a full pot bet I would have certainly raised flop, now I'm not sure. I *thiiiink* I need to lead the turn here tho..
[spoiler][hand=497241][/spoiler]
I think I like my line here vs a quite aggressive reg type player..
[spoiler][hand=497245][/spoiler]
Not sure if preflop is too loose. I like my post flop play tho, since I don't think he can have a boat (maybe a turned set).
[spoiler][hand=497246][/spoiler]
This hand is sooooooo god damn pretty.. but it's also pretty crappy vs AA.. should I fold?
[spoiler][hand=497250][/spoiler]
Eh, vs a minraise it's pretty meh~ but getting it in seems fairly stnd.
[spoiler][hand=497253][/spoiler]
Maybe this is a trivially easy fold.. but at the same time he's probably betting everything he 3bets here and vs AA I have 33% equity. Meh. Probably not worth it with the fd out there.
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[B]Various[/B]
I was thinking how I was going to snap get it in here vs either player but then he did this loooooong timebank/pot which was super scary. But I decided he was crazy enough that I wasn't gonna fold.
[spoiler][hand=497187][/spoiler]
Always nice when your draw has more equity than a set :)
[spoiler][hand=497228][/spoiler]
Awwwww come on :P! Last hand before the blinds hit me and I'm about to sit out. AA** vs AA** vs stuff. Of course all my 7s are dead too haha.
[spoiler][hand=497256][/spoiler]
Feels good to at least be putting a reasonable number of hands in each day :)August grind - Day 11970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuanBecause I've been so undisciplined lately when it comes to putting in hands, I've decided I need to set some goals. Unfortunately, I don't have any tangible goal like I did in december (my supernova grind, was actually quite fun to play that much) but hopefully just having some basic goal of X hands will be enough.
So.. I'm going to shoot for 1k hands a day, which probably sounds very low (in december I did 5k a day) but the thing is, I'm 4 tabling. Omaha. That means it takes me almost 4 hours to reach 1k hands which is quite a lot.
I might try 6 tabling eventually, or 3 tables 6 max and 1 table HU, but we'll see. Easier to grind the more tables you play, but I'm not really comfortable enough in my omaha game to mass table I think.
Anyway, played my first 1/2 session of omaha today (I'm a nit so despite being very well rolled I started off much lower to learn ;p) and I'm quite happy with it. Tiny loss but enjoyed playing and think I did a good job of re-focusing everytime I felt myself drifting off.
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I actually didn't quit just because I was almost back to even.. I swear :P
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Happy with my aggression numbers increasing, just need to get a little bit more frisky preflop and on the flop.
W$WSF looks meh but it's getting up there, hopefully as a result of my play improving. Once I have a decent sample of hands I'll do some serious PT reviewing.
VPIP looks somewhat low for 4 tabling perhaps, but it's climbing steadily, probably as I figure out how to play more and more hands.
As it's very late and I just wanted to get this up here to make sure I get started, I'll only post a handful of hands:
I think I out-thought myself here.. he insta called flop and turn so I was thinking "wouldn't he stop to think for a bit /w a boat or a 3?".. And ye, I think I need to realize that raising a 3 with no kicker on this flop probably isn't a super good idea in omaha and make it a bigger part of peoples range :P
[spoiler][hand=496622][/spoiler]
Given my poor position, people left to act behind me, and my hand having a gap at the top and only one suite, should I fold preflop to the first raise? Once the action goes like it does I think I have to call for this price. On the flop.. I wasn't sure what my equity would look like here, so I ran it in propokertools vs a set of kings and a flushdraw, and came up with 29%, which is pretty close to enough to get it in here but I wasn't sure if I was being overly optimistic (ie how big is the risk I'll get it in vs like 789T or something). As it turns out I had 31% equity vs their hands (a set of kings and AA w a flushdraw, I guess me and the AA guy holding a six helped us as it limits the boat redraw, and there was only 1 blocker in their hands). Anyway, as I wasn't sure I ended up folding.
[spoiler][hand=496627][/spoiler]
I thiiiink this AA** is strong enough for a 3bet. Flop is =[
[spoiler][hand=496625][/spoiler]
Given that he just calls this flop, putting him on a draw/not great hand seems reasonable. If river bricks should I shove to get him off some lousy pair that might beat me? Maybe save myself a headache and check behind turn, but I did pick up a whole load of outs (well, an 8 is still not great) and his hand doesn't look very strong.
[spoiler][hand=496630][/spoiler]
Hm.. I guess he'd have called me here even without the flush. I'm not sure I should call the turn for a second full pot bet in a limped pot but I thought I had some bluff outs with spades obv.
[spoiler][hand=496632][/spoiler]
Misplayed not betting turn here, I block a straight fairly well. River I was just needlessly paranoid about getting bet/3bet, need to raise for value.
[spoiler][hand=496636][/spoiler]
So I was folding this hand preflop, then everyone and their mother called so I thought I had to as well given odds.. Meh. Turn I call cause I put him on AA and I have a lot of outs and getting a good price. Preflop might still suck tho :(
[spoiler][hand=496640][/spoiler]
Another hand I think might be a preflop fold. I have an ace and a pair which sucks, and my hand isn't terrible connected. Even if my equity in the pot is good enough to justify a call, I can probably not realize this equity if I'm going to miss almost all flops (ie I don't get to see all 5 cards). Ye -.-
[spoiler][hand=496647][/spoiler]
As nolan said, I think b/f flop is best here. I was probably distracted on some other table as this seems like a pretty good flop to bet.
[spoiler][hand=496649][/spoiler]
Not sure there's any point in barrelling here.. their hand seems fairly likely to be a mediocre medium overpair type hand but I also didn't feel like I could rep a whole lot.
[spoiler][hand=496650][/spoiler]
With the FD missing, I felt c/c was best here since I didn't think he'd call 2 streets with a straight draw on a 2 flush board. Would have snapcalled an allin too. Meh.
[spoiler][hand=496652][/spoiler]
Too thin? I think the alternative is to c/f?
[spoiler][hand=496657][/spoiler]
Err, b/f flop? Any point in even calling the turn once I check flop >_First omaha HU session1970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuanJust a quick one (an hour or so). Started off 2 tabling (which was waaaay too much for me lol, I realized this after a bit tho), ended up down like just under half a buyin, oh well - just happens to be the exact same amount I won (8th or 9th place) in some 15$ PLO donkament :P
Definitely going to put in a lot of Omaha HU hands during the weekend (don't be lazy, one time!!).
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The longest match was really interesting actually, it was about 200 hands vs some guy on iPoker. I was getting destroyed but amazingly I started picking up really, REALLY detailed reads which felt great. Things like how he was always stacking off after X, always potcontrolling when Y, etcetc. Felt good to be picking up on this stuff (I've always sucked HU).
I finished up 65 cents on him :D Which was a come back of sorts.
Some hands:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491403 - Eh. Not sure why I choose to play this preflop! Must have been a lil frustrated or un-focused (probably still 2 tabling). Anyway, it was the second straight time that he repotted me instantly when I led like this (although last time it was on the river..) andddddddd I should have folded cause I'm not sure he'd been as aggressive as I felt he'd been.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491404 - Argh@ turn!! He showed something weird like 5XXX
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491406 - His check = pot-control or give up, so I was going pot pot check or pot pot pot if board came off scary (ie flushdraw)
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491407 - This hand made me realize his fullpot bets = "I'm stacking off" and his checks = "I'm potcontrolling".
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491408 - Probably a preflop raise..? Anyway, on the river I'm trying to mimick the last hand sort of, I guess it kinda sucks that I can only really rep 69, 79, 89.. Hold'em mindset with 1 card straights I guess :P
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491411 - C/C = pot control = pot pot pot (I mean top 2 on this board in a reraised pot is obviously ALWAYS pot pot pot). This was the first time I observed it I think.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491412 - wee!
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491415 - I dislike my check here, he was not stabbing the turn at all. I like my river check tho, because he HAD been betting rivers more than turns. But yeah, bet bet bet >>>>> check, he didn't like folding.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491416 - he really really doesn't like folding
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491417 - I don't think I can c/r river..
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491419 - wow he really hates folding
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491421 - Hm, I had lots of spots like this where I wasn't sure I should bet the flop since I wouldnt know what to do vs a c/r (fold? not the nut wrap, fd out there).. Maybe bet fold these hands more.
Anyway, at the end he went on tilt or something when I said I was leaving in 20 hands, and started 3betting everyhand, raising every hand oop. Unfortunately ipoker dealt me 237K rainbow for 20 hands :(
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491430 - Failed limp RR, he'd been going INSANE.
I had a LOT of trouble deciding what hands to call with out of the BB, and I couldn't establish a good c/r dynamic (I swear he had ESP, everytime I wanted to c/r he potcontrolled -.- so I could never do it with a strong hand). I think my stats were way too tight and I probably need to work on identifying how the value of hands changes hu.
But HU omaha is pretty fun =]
Oh and, someone plz fix omaha hands for ipoker? Sucks that they do not display properly :(
Also, I kinda want to do something similiar to what I did back in december for my supernova challenge.. Maybe not 5k hands a day like back then but I need a goal.. Not sure what tho.Session Review1970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:001970-01-01T00:00:00+01:00http://tianyuan.liquidpoker.nettianyuanArgh accidently clicked some button and lost everything I'd written just as I was about to copy paste the last hand :D Guess I'll re-do it.
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2 hours or so of play. Obviously a very small sample but I'm very happy to finally have decent looking stats, especially the W$WSF. Need to spend some time in PT/Propokertools and figure out 3betting tho.
I'll probably start dipping my toes into the 1/2 games once I do figure it out.
[B]Halpmeh![/B]:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491075 - As i started this session I was listening to a DC plo video and they were talking about how in some situations you can be behind with the nuts (vs like fd and set, or fd and straight draw), and they suggested checking behind. In this case, I don't even have the nuts AND the board lends itself very well to them having fd+sd or fd+set.. Is it ok to check behind then call/call or call/vbet (maybe fold flushcard I suppose)?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491077 - Too many draws to bet the flop? Is betting the river a good idea (since he checked twice, he probably doesn't have THAT much) or do I have enough showdown value?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491078 - Villain is a regular, 2p2er I think, running like 30/15. Not played with him a ton. On flop I have a gutshot and FD so seems like an obligatory call at least (I don't know much about his 3betting range actually). On the turn I'm now double gutted (I didn't realize this at first) and I have 31% equity vs a set.. Do I get it in (I'm almost getting the odds to get it in anyway, and sometimes I'm winning vs a worse draw/have very good equity vs a worse draw w a pair)? At the time I didn't realize my equity was that good so I folded.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491082 - I'm thinking if he has a boat, I'm gonna get a lot of bets in on the river (or get c/r on the turn), and by raising turn I'm chasing all the draws away. On the river I think I need to at least raise and get the shortstacks money in since I can't rely on the last guy raising.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491085 - Anyone like a raise here (blockers to KQ) or a call and bluffing all pairs / valuebetting spades (obvioiusly)?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491089 - Bet turn? Valuebet river? After 2 checks I'd be surprised if I'm beat here but do I actually get called by anything?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491090 - This might be terrible.. Bet turn? Reasoning went something like.. he's very tight, the 9 is bad cause 9TXX is part of a million hands (then I realize he's in the BB :D), I fold out any draw.. Bet/bet/bet superior? If I bet turn and raise do I have to fold? (he's like 16/8 or something btw)
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491092 - Hand right after, same villain. Only seen him 3bet once, vs a halfstack where he made it slightly less than pot, then halfpotted a 89Xrainbow flop (or 87), then put the villain in for his last like 16 bucks on a 7 turn and the guy folded. I think he has aces most likely, and I'm in position with a not TOTALLY useless hand, getting an alright price, and my 3x raise means his 3bet wasn't very big.
On the flop do I raise or call? It's a great flop obviously but if I raise, do I only get played with when he has like a set or a NFD? If I call and turn comes this way, I'm obviously betting if he checks (and folding out AA** that bricked like always I'd assume) but if he bets again I just pass?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491097 - Probably best hand on turn, and a double gutshot.. On river, all the draws missed so I think I almost have to call :o
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491098 - The guy turned out to be quite a maniac (90/76) but at this time I'd only seen him 3bet me once (bvb, I called with 98TQ single suited, and we checked down a 8d 6h Qs 2c 2h where I folded to a pot bet on the river). Seeing as how he checked down his raggy AA here, should I be leading into him when I get a flop like this in the future, to prevent him from potcontrolling?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491099 - Call or fold preflop?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491102 - By now this was the 3rd time he 3bet me out of 3 opens (actually the hand above he coldcalled a 3bet so 3/4 opens then), my hand is a decent sized favorite over any 4, ship it in? I have 42% equity vs 4 random cards on the flop but :P Probably better to go with it preflop than on this flop?
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491108 - When leslieace (who is not very good, but a regular of sorts) coldcalls, should I still 4bet my raggy AA**? The original 3bettor seems very bad by the way, saw him call down 2 streets with like 85** on a 854 2 club board. To this action, pretty easy muck on the flop I think.
[B]Various[/B]:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491070 - Pretty terrible calls by him I'd say :P
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491071 - Standard I think.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491079 - Very standard I think :)
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491094 - Very standard.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/491095 - Standard, but wow his equity is pretty good even with his FD dead.
Will go through PT and look for more hands later possibly, now dinner I suppose. Thanks for any input.
Also, I know 2p2 used to have these private tournaments (like super cheap), like 1 cent buyin for whenever they have one of their HU tournaments or something. Is it possible to create these yourself? I'd love to play a ton of these for practice.
EDIT: Hm, you can create your own tournaments on william hill (crypto) :D