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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 12 2007 17:11. Posts 29049

excellente article Myth, u should have definitelly post out AAvs99 hand we played on monday, i think it has a lot of tought in it


royalsu   Canada. Apr 12 2007 17:35. Posts 3233

very good article, I've been experimenting with this too after realizing that aggression factor probably has little correlation with amount won.

I've noticed some of the regulars at 200nl like Fgators have really toned down their continuation betting. Fgators doesn't continuation bet small pocket pairs nor missed overcards much anymore.

Here's a hand in the same vein as myth's article. Once I checked he instantly bet on both the turn and river...what is he representing?

Submitted by : royalsu

POKERSTARS GAME #9338457730: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/04/09 - 17:59:20 (ET)
Table 'Decabrina II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: patpoker1007 ($118.55 in chips)
Seat 3: ZBTHorton1 ($204.85 in chips)
Seat 4: iris50 ($120.45 in chips)
Seat 5: umpa21 ($380.35 in chips)
Seat 6: royalsu ($323.20 in chips)
patpoker1007: posts small blind $1
mayhem920: is sitting out
ZBTHorton1: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to royalsu TsAh
iris50: folds
umpa21: folds
mayhem920 leaves the table
royalsu : raises $6 to $8
patpoker1007: folds
ZBTHorton1: calls $6

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $17)

   KhAs8s
ZBTHorton1: checks
royalsu : checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $17)

   KhAs8sKc
ZBTHorton1: bets $12
royalsu : calls $12

River (Pot : $41)

   KhAs8sKcQh
ZBTHorton1: bets $31
royalsu : calls $31

Showdown
ZBTHorton1: shows Qc9c (two pair, Kings and Queens)
royalsu : shows TsAh (two pair, Aces and Kings)
royalsu collected $101 from pot

Summary
Total pot $103 | Rake $2
Board  KhAs8sKcQh
Seat 1: patpoker1007 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ZBTHorton1 (big blind) showed Qc9c and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 4: iris50 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: umpa21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: royalsu (button) showed TsAh and won ($101) with two pair, Aces and Kings


Joe   Czech Republic. Apr 12 2007 17:35. Posts 5892

Nice article.

Btw I believe u dont really need to play some sort of super-aggressive style to fully exploit this type of players (frustrated monkeys). In fact, I actually dont think that TalentedTom plays some sort of super aggro style against them. (Just guessing, I dont quite know Toms style.) You can play overally very TAGy and still be able to exploit these players at its best.
The trick is really in making them frustrated and force them into thinking that they are being outplayed (i mean, outtricked) by u, which almost every player hates, but these monkeys hate it so much because they like to outtrick people themselves alot and so they make retarded moves against u. So, all u need is to watch closely whats going on at the table and pick some good spots to raise/reraise them (standard blind vs button reraise, or button vs co reraise, some flop c/raises, etc.), but always pick spots, where it is cheap (pf, flop). If u time it well u will be surprised what retarded moves they will make soon. You just need to be fearless with ur value hands and punish them.

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

Narious   Canada. Apr 12 2007 17:37. Posts 4792

OMG, Stop educating the fishes so well, Myth!!!

Seriously though, Great article, this fish deffiently appreciates the education.


Yugless    United States. Apr 12 2007 18:07. Posts 7174

good article
myth=the glue that holds liquid poker, as well as my life and dreams, together

Baal - look is talking hah.  

straate   Argentina. Apr 12 2007 18:17. Posts 2837

great job myth

u da man!

silverfox971: if this was a live game i would spit on you 

Muck21   Russian Federation. Apr 12 2007 18:41. Posts 540

why is myth so hot

Muck it, bitch 

Roman    United States. Apr 12 2007 19:16. Posts 589

:-P good article, extracting the max from over aggro monkeys is an art, I could probably write a whole book about it.

PS: how can almost never bluffing over aggro monkeys be right? it makes no logical sense to me.


[vital]Myth    United States. Apr 12 2007 19:18. Posts 12157


  On April 12 2007 18:07 Yugless wrote:
good article
myth=the glue that holds liquid poker, as well as my life and dreams, together

<3333333333333333333

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

Maz   Canada. Apr 12 2007 19:34. Posts 345

Great article, thanks.

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Verbloten   Australia. Apr 12 2007 21:06. Posts 1889

great stuff Myth thanks heaps for your work on this. TY everyone else that helped.

Great article - i want to play loose aggressive (small bets - small hands, big bets - big hands) but i always find myself getting into big pots with marginal hands and i always think ppl are playing back at me and have no idea what to do sometimes with hands like TPTK when they do.

Thanks again


locoo   Peru. Apr 12 2007 22:08. Posts 4393

Myth rules

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

JYang   United States. Apr 12 2007 23:00. Posts 2669

Great article!!


vltava   United States. Apr 12 2007 23:41. Posts 1740

Well done sir, and nice rendition of Ray Charles' "You Don't Know Me".

tooker: there is very little money in stts.  

YoMeR   United States. Apr 13 2007 00:14. Posts 12017

myth, you're not supposed to educate the fishes so well. goddamn you

excellent article. Although you should note that most players up to the NL200 level can be easily exploited without having to put in that level of thinking.

But a great introduction to the LAG style so many people hear about and how to implement it effectively. I wish i could word my thoughts out as well as you or some of the others.

props sir.

eZ Life. 

Floofy   Canada. Apr 13 2007 00:30. Posts 7968


  On April 12 2007 19:16 Roman wrote:
:-P good article, extracting the max from over aggro monkeys is an art, I could probably write a whole book about it.

PS: how can almost never bluffing over aggro monkeys be right? it makes no logical sense to me.



Roman got a point here. I dont understand the logic behind "dont bluff bluffers" since these people are those who have nothing most of the time

but good article, makes me think some stuff

james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;( 

wobbly_au   Australia. Apr 13 2007 00:40. Posts 6232

Very nice read!! <3 xD

I have the tendency to call down value bets alot because as u said i am "paranoid" people are making bluffs on me as i do on them xD hahaha

The Last Laugh. 

DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Apr 13 2007 01:55. Posts 8621

nice stuff. Also, me <3 that ket quote.


Day[9]   United States. Apr 13 2007 02:12. Posts 3447

corwin,

i am lucky to know such a brilliant, articulate, all around amazing gentleman. your articles are always as awesome as you

<3 myth!


kantoiki   Australia. Apr 13 2007 02:51. Posts 3818

once again another example of the crazy awesome that is myth.

muckv - i have an iq of 180 and i want someone to teach me how to take a shit IN the toilet. 

 
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