Best Poker video site

I know its super old question, but what is the best training site out there now?

Depends what you are looking for ( stakes/game type ). But regardless, I would not buy subscription for longer then 1 month at the time at any site atm, level of videos and roster is changing so fast atm.

i like dc for some reason. i get much more from ansky than any other coach when watching videos.

edit: well there's taylor caby too. but haven't seen any of his videos since 2007.

Well i'm looking for videos of people are are beating 5/10+ NL in the current games.. so I dont know which coaching sites has those people..

dr. giggy at bluefire. his live videos are good.

edit: his english kinda sucks tho.

I don't think any video site will help you wobbly, they all take basic stuff and a lot of the times I disagree strongly with what they preach (the low tier coaches spout some horrible stuff sometimes), I had a bluefire subs only because of galfond, giggy is good but didn't teach me much except how to beat him, punketty's videos I strongly disagreed with most of the time, still taught how to handily beat him so was still worth it, I guess it is a good investment to sub into sites that your competition teaches at, will come out as brag but I beat them both hard both in 6max and hu last year even though they won a lot from other players, i had advantage.

Locoo: Gives elite players $30/x per month rakeback after crushing them from video reads.

TBH I have always been hating on CR but anyways since Bluefire has died ( no more galfond and Giggy never makes vids) might as well cancel and CR is 1/2 price for whole year so I bought that, but Leggo seems to have the most solid winners.

Anyone know any other sites?

pokerstrategy has jungleman now
dragthebar

anything else?

poker strategy for free if you signed up through them to some sites, but utterly shit if you'd pay for them on the side. . .

1) diamond ( to see the best videos) ridic. expensive
2) They have big names but they don't make consistent series like you find on all other sites, and their in-house coaches that make vid after vid are pretty bad.

Never worth paying for/passing on RB deals but I am very happy I have them on Stars where I couldn't get a +'illegal' RB deal when I signed up (they exist btw).


I just cancelled my DC because...well founders suck/don't make vids and they don't have any very good video makers anymore. BFP was sick good with Galfond/Giggy/Niman but now I don't have it either.

dougiedan678 on leggopoker is probably leggo's best holdem coach imo, but he doesn't put any 5/10 videos out there i think. Aejones was making some average videos but is improving fast as well, so he might be making some good 5/10 videos in the future.

leggo has sauce, nutsinho and ashman but they make a video about once a year, and most of them are plo videos.

but i'm in agreement with locoo, i don't think there are any sites that can help a 5/10+ player.

On December 31 2011 11:43 locoo wrote: I don't think any video site will help you wobbly, they all take basic stuff and a lot of the times I disagree strongly with what they preach (the low tier coaches spout some horrible stuff sometimes), I had a bluefire subs only because of galfond, giggy is good but didn't teach me much except how to beat him, punketty's videos I strongly disagreed with most of the time, still taught how to handily beat him so was still worth it, I guess it is a good investment to sub into sites that your competition teaches at, will come out as brag but I beat them both hard both in 6max and hu last year even though they won a lot from other players, i had advantage.

extremely insightful post
i have a few questions though

1) if you disagree strongly with punketty does that imply he is wrong? but is he not a big winner at 5/10?
2) i imagine it's your own secret, since you took the time to dissect giggy/punketty's games but could you give a general guide (or better 1 specific as an exmaple even if it is as simple as c/r flop frequency or even something simpler such as preflop leaks [although i expect these to hardly exist]) as to what you looked for specifically? i imagine their ranges/frequencies in lots of spots became extremely transparent?

i guess to sorta elaborate on point 2 i heard punketty is a stationy type player who puts a lot of pressure on himself in lots of bluff catching spots, so your counter to that is to tripple barrel frequently with an extremely merged range?

On December 31 2011 11:43 locoo wrote: I don't think any video site will help you wobbly, they all take basic stuff and a lot of the times I disagree strongly with what they preach (the low tier coaches spout some horrible stuff sometimes), I had a bluefire subs only because of galfond, giggy is good but didn't teach me much except how to beat him, punketty's videos I strongly disagreed with most of the time, still taught how to handily beat him so was still worth it, I guess it is a good investment to sub into sites that your competition teaches at, will come out as brag but I beat them both hard both in 6max and hu last year even though they won a lot from other players, i had advantage.

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ur the man buddy happy new year!

Makes alot of sense loco. Maybe i'll settle and finally learn a bit of plo then.

^ then the LP HU "grudge" battle might be a go then?

lol locoo such a boss <3

On December 31 2011 09:19 Defrag wrote: Depends what you are looking for ( stakes/game type ). But regardless, I would not buy subscription for longer then 1 month at the time at any site atm, level of videos and roster is changing so fast atm.

This is a rather expensive way since most sites have a huge signup fee unless you decide to go for the entire year.

Anyway I'm wondering the same.

pretty sure vital myth can coach you

On December 31 2011 17:17 mnj wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2011 11:43 locoo wrote: I don't think any video site will help you wobbly, they all take basic stuff and a lot of the times I disagree strongly with what they preach (the low tier coaches spout some horrible stuff sometimes), I had a bluefire subs only because of galfond, giggy is good but didn't teach me much except how to beat him, punketty's videos I strongly disagreed with most of the time, still taught how to handily beat him so was still worth it, I guess it is a good investment to sub into sites that your competition teaches at, will come out as brag but I beat them both hard both in 6max and hu last year even though they won a lot from other players, i had advantage. extremely insightful post i have a few questions though 1) if you disagree strongly with punketty does that imply he is wrong? but is he not a big winner at 5/10? 2) i imagine it's your own secret, since you took the time to dissect giggy/punketty's games but could you give a general guide (or better 1 specific as an exmaple even if it is as simple as c/r flop frequency or even something simpler such as preflop leaks [although i expect these to hardly exist]) as to what you looked for specifically? i imagine their ranges/frequencies in lots of spots became extremely transparent? i guess to sorta elaborate on point 2 i heard punketty is a stationy type player who puts a lot of pressure on himself in lots of bluff catching spots, so your counter to that is to tripple barrel frequently with an extremely merged range?

To make it short I'll give you an example, in one of punkettys video he called with something weird like 87s oop vs a 3bet, which isn't soo bad (though I wouldn't do it) if you have a plan or any kind of read, but his only justification was that he could probably outplay the other guy postflop because he thought he was better than the other reg, so he proceeded to c/c a Ax8 flop and c/f a blank turn. This is just KCHING for me, first he thinks he can outplay regs postflop (I would say theres close to 0-1% of regs that can outplay another reg postflop oop these days) and 2nd he just plays his hand pretty straightforward, so I saw this a couple more times and then decided to 3bet him relentlessly no matter what and triple barrel him oop and 2 barrel him IP on boards he would think I have no reason to bluff on. I proceeded to regularly 3 barrel with like J8o on Qx2x2 boards and stuff, fun times.

On December 31 2011 22:10 SPEWTARD wrote: lol locoo such a boss <3

maybe for a 10/20 + grinder no coaching site is worth the money/time but for a midstakes guy like me which site would you guys recommend ? i already have bluefire but im planning in joining another one for a couple of months

Wobbly pobbly, I think you'll get a lot out of that Foxwoodsfiend. He seems really smart and seems to know what he's talking about.

punketty aka Niman aka Samoleous? ive only watched one of his vids (some review on twopairwinds play) and i thought his comments were correct, havent watched anything else from him.

Galfond's vids are just fucking gold

or! just listen to the top-tier players on this site share their wisdom!!

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nevermind. thanks for the thought though, Cosmo.

i seriously nominate TT for an extravagant shooting star icon. he's the most consistent advice-giver on this site, by leaps and bounds. in fact, he should receive a monthly stipend from LP.

edited out asshole comments

On January 01 2012 22:34 locoo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2011 17:17 mnj wrote:   On December 31 2011 11:43 locoo wrote: I don't think any video site will help you wobbly, they all take basic stuff and a lot of the times I disagree strongly with what they preach (the low tier coaches spout some horrible stuff sometimes), I had a bluefire subs only because of galfond, giggy is good but didn't teach me much except how to beat him, punketty's videos I strongly disagreed with most of the time, still taught how to handily beat him so was still worth it, I guess it is a good investment to sub into sites that your competition teaches at, will come out as brag but I beat them both hard both in 6max and hu last year even though they won a lot from other players, i had advantage. extremely insightful post i have a few questions though 1) if you disagree strongly with punketty does that imply he is wrong? but is he not a big winner at 5/10? 2) i imagine it's your own secret, since you took the time to dissect giggy/punketty's games but could you give a general guide (or better 1 specific as an exmaple even if it is as simple as c/r flop frequency or even something simpler such as preflop leaks [although i expect these to hardly exist]) as to what you looked for specifically? i imagine their ranges/frequencies in lots of spots became extremely transparent? i guess to sorta elaborate on point 2 i heard punketty is a stationy type player who puts a lot of pressure on himself in lots of bluff catching spots, so your counter to that is to tripple barrel frequently with an extremely merged range? Punketty stuff.

Not sure but I think explaining this could really cut into your profits if he reads this (which he might because people google themselves). I'd edit it away unless you simply don't care .

I don't mind he changed his game at the end and got much better so that read doesn't apply anymore.

A quick PTR of Cardrunners guys currently making videos shows they're indeed losing players or haven't beat the games for years.

This has been a trend with them for quite awhile. Pretty strange since they probably have the most means to go get talent, yet prefer someone who speaks well and explains their ideas well... over someone who actually knows how to win at poker.

Maybe they feel guilty about making the games harder, so they're compensating by putting out bad videos.

On January 04 2012 01:23 Baalim wrote: punketty aka Niman aka Samoleous? ive only watched one of his vids (some review on twopairwinds play) and i thought his comments were correct, havent watched anything else from him. Galfond's vids are just fucking gold

+1. I really miss Galfond but the new vids from ctrlaltdegen and glitteringprizes are the nuts atm

where can I find these galfond videos? is it on bluefire? can't find it

did the dust ever clear over phil galfond/dr giggy? they are listed as guest pros only now

On April 26 2012 20:39 ilbh wrote: where can I find these galfond videos? is it on bluefire? can't find it

Only 150 of them: http://www.bluefirepoker.com/videos?AuthorFilter=3&GameFilter=&StakeFilter=&MethodFilter=&TypeFilter=&LanguageFilter=1&start=0

wobbly in desperate need of vital myth life coaching

Hmm i saw some cardrunners videos recently and they were all so boring that I either fell asleep or put up the ROFL thread on the other screen....

i saw a site where all the videos from all training sites were there. great torrent site. lol

On May 01 2012 17:08 Volcano15 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2012 20:39 ilbh wrote: where can I find these galfond videos? is it on bluefire? can't find it Only 150 of them: http://www.bluefirepoker.com/videos?AuthorFilter=3&GameFilter=&StakeFilter=&MethodFilter=&TypeFilter=&LanguageFilter=1&start=0

thanks! I'm a retard lol didn't see the filter

On April 26 2012 20:41 mnj wrote: did the dust ever clear over phil galfond/dr giggy? they are listed as guest pros only now

Looking at the line ups of the different sites now makes me wonder whether the issue is that I dont know who is actually good anymore, or if the quality of people making videos just dropped due to black friday/etc.

6max NLH leggo is by far the best. it has the endd, (almost 2ptbb 5/10 player), join my stack who was a monster on FTP, huranguatng or however u spell his name, aejones and lucky chewy are doing pretty good also still. theres a few more i forget who but theres a lot of good NL cash game videos on leggo

What kind of winrates do the biggest winners have on 5/10 now? I guess 2ptbb/100 is pretty near the top these days, the way you mentioned it?

On May 02 2012 07:45 TianYuan wrote: What kind of winrates do the biggest winners have on 5/10 now? I guess 2ptbb/100 is pretty near the top these days, the way you mentioned it?

id say more like 4ptBB

Ok, I was thinking poker had gotten even harder than I thought it had for a moment there.

it most likely has gotten even harder then u thought (if u havent played in a while), id say only in the last 6 months 5/10 has changed alot, and compared to 1-2 years ago its almost a different language

but its still possible to be a step ahead of the standards because there are still that chunk of regs that beat the games big 2 years ago that just dont give it up even tho they cant keep up, and aslong as those old farts bumhunts the games its gonna be beatable for a good amount

Well, I didnt play seriously since 2009 I think, but the last time I played 5/10 was in 2008 and that was just shot taking pretty much ^^ I'm obviously assuming I'd have to start over at pretty low stakes if I were to play.

By even harder than I imagined, I didn't so much mean in terms of in absolute skill level, but rather what is possible in terms of winrates. If 2ptbb was like the biggest winner at 5/10 that would be insanely competitive/scary.

ah yeah, i think the gap is closeing in though between the worse and best winners at 5/10, atleast when it comes to 100bb poker, and we'll see how long there even will be a gap.

but the biggest difference now compared to only like 6 months ago is that now pretty much all the regs, even the good ones that usually wanted to start games wont even play 6 handed with 5 other regs, at all. basically if a fish dies every1 instasitsout and even 1/2 games from whta ive heard is getting to that point now that not even 1/2 regs seem to have the ambition to battle it out against eachother to become better and move up stakes

and because of that i think the winrates remain pretty high for the big winners since there is almost no fishfree games running anymore, so 2-4ish bb/100 volume for the good regs (say 8bb/100 regs in fishgames) to grind out from worse regs isnt possible today on most networks

that said i think 4bb/100 still is concidered to be a very good winrate today at 5/10 and probably is the absolute topwinrate for the strongest 12-16 tablers

yeah i've noticed the 1/2 games got a little harder after zoom poker came out. innerspy has been grinding 1/2 now lol, among a few other names i can't remember. They are still pretty soft compared to 2/4+ tho, i think.

On May 02 2012 08:56 longple wrote: ah yeah, i think the gap is closeing in though between the worse and best winners at 5/10, atleast when it comes to 100bb poker, and we'll see how long there even will be a gap. but the biggest difference now compared to only like 6 months ago is that now pretty much all the regs, even the good ones that usually wanted to start games wont even play 6 handed with 5 other regs, at all. basically if a fish dies every1 instasitsout and even 1/2 games from whta ive heard is getting to that point now that not even 1/2 regs seem to have the ambition to battle it out against eachother to become better and move up stakes and because of that i think the winrates remain pretty high for the big winners since there is almost no fishfree games running anymore, so 2-4ish bb/100 volume for the good regs (say 8bb/100 regs in fishgames) to grind out from worse regs isnt possible today on most networks that said i think 4bb/100 still is concidered to be a very good winrate today at 5/10 and probably is the absolute topwinrate for the strongest 12-16 tablers

Yeh is sucks, I used to never click sitout next BB and try to keep the game going but after getting grimmed for the 1000x time by all the regs and the fact that the game just never continued anyway i got tired of it and now sit out too when I'm pretty sure they will all sit out.

On May 02 2012 07:45 TianYuan wrote: What kind of winrates do the biggest winners have on 5/10 now? I guess 2ptbb/100 is pretty near the top these days, the way you mentioned it?

The last I seriously played 5/10 6m NLHE (some 4-5 months ago), Gogol's Nose was probably the biggest longterm winner (only counting serious grinders, not hu players who sometimes joined or like nosebleeders making videos etc). I never got to understand how he was able to crush for like 3ptbb/100 while I barely knew I had him on my tables, way unlike other top regs.

For most though I would say even 1ptbb/100 is a solid winrate.

i assume u guys are talking about 8++ tabling when u mention winrates like 1-2ptbb?

i feel like watching some videos, any tips? dc looks dead

DC new content is incredibly uninspiring --; 0 PLO stuff too.
Bluefire -> no PLO stuff but at least they have NL stuff that looks like it could be possibly interesting? I haven't watched it so no clue if good.
Cardrunners has the most retarded piece of shit DRM and website, almost so bad I can't stand watching anything even though I have a subscription and the content might be good.

Any of these sites have substantial material that would be beneficial towards a now predominantly live player?

i remember DC have a series where live player dicuss alot.

Poker with pants on or sth like this.

there is one new video site coming up soon and I'm realy excited about it
it's called transformpoker and one of the founder/producer there is going to be Reid Young aka shootaa (ex leggopoker coach and a ms/hs beast) who is lately probably the best strategy poster on 2+2
there are actualy few hh reviews on youtube so check them out

so for cash is still BFP even after Galfond left?

Only BFP I've watched that I liked were giggy and galfond. Samo or whatever his name is has gotten good reviews, but I felt was very meh. So if anyone has any good tips for other 6max or HU nlhe video makers I'd appreciate it.

transformpoker has been coming out for over a year now, no real hope it actually comes out.

Can you link shootaa' good thread posts?

well I was listening to shootaa's new interviews and also chated little bit with him and I think site should be up soon ... probably in a month or two
as far as his 2p2 posts go you should just use search option there and filter only his posts
he usualy write 3-5 high quality strategy posts per day. I have saved few links so if you are interested I can pm you them or just add me on skype
also check this out youtube video and youtube video2

As far as recent content goes they are all awful, adam001 made a couple vids for leggo last month but that seems to be that, the best BFP has to offer is leatherass , DC took the biggest nosedive imo and went from the best site to the worst, CR also doesnt have much.

Seems like the best players just dont want to give away their material anymore... Understandable since there are 1000 faggots out there that used the previous given information so that they could button other players and bumhunt

Good thread. DC and BFP def look bad 1.5 years into BF. Leggo doesn't seem to bad but it's def not like the old days.

I'm curious myself since it's been a couple years since I've really studied the game at anything resembling a deep level. All my play lately has been level-1 lol_live play and if/when poker comes back to america I'd like to be in a good spot to know how people are playing lately and how that's differed from 2010.

got leggo for chess videos

On September 02 2012 14:02 VanDerMeyde wrote: Seems like the best players just dont want to give away their material anymore... Understandable since there are 1000 faggots out there that used the previous given information so that they could button other players and bumhunt

This imo, for most winning HS regs it has been a very bad bussiness, excluding the CR pioneers and the DC crew which I think were losing players at the time, not sure tho.

Can't really complain as I learned a lot myself.

This imo, for most winning HS regs it has been a very bad bussiness, excluding the CR pioneers and the DC crew which I think were losing players at the time, not sure tho.

Yea, I don't think many ever imagined the games dying / getting tougher in those days.

if i remember correctly DC first video was responsible for the proliferation of the non-allin 4bet preflop, can you imagine the times that people used to either fold or all-in to 3 bets to come back? god... training sites v.v

FWF videos First time I noticed people 4bet light/I started doing it.

Before Cole South's videos there was flop play involved in NL also, not just 3-betting/4-betting

I miss seeing a flop...

there still is flop play involved. ppl just really suck at it so they try to 3b/4b to make up for lack of postflop play. obv huge mistake.