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rememp   Canada. Dec 06 2011 22:10. Posts 480

Situation: ITM fairly deep in the money and are about mid field.

Action is folded around to you and you are in the small blind. At what Xbb is shoving everything profitable given that antes are generally equal to the bb in total in the late game.

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Dec 07 2011 04:41. Posts 7201

9-11bb's depending on who you're shoving into.

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player999   Brasil. Dec 07 2011 04:51. Posts 7964

Probably around 2bb vs most ppl
Shoving 72o at 9bb is almost always gonna be bad

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Target-x17   Canada. Dec 07 2011 11:23. Posts 1027

no shoving 72 at 9 bb is +ev vs most people

f u bw rock 

player999   Brasil. Dec 07 2011 11:28. Posts 7964

I invite u to play hyper HUsngs with me then

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

player999   Brasil. Dec 07 2011 11:29. Posts 7964

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

gebbstet   Sweden. Dec 07 2011 12:32. Posts 337


  On December 07 2011 10:29 player999 wrote:



I might be retarded but is it saying I should push A2s for 20+ bb? that seems pretty bad


player999   Brasil. Dec 07 2011 12:41. Posts 7964

no, its saying that doing that is not -EV, but also probably not the best option either

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

JonnyCosMo   United States. Dec 07 2011 12:43. Posts 7201

It means that if you were to shove vs 1 person in a SB vs BB scenerio that you would show more of profit in doing so at 20bbs than folding. Makes sense, you have an ace and that's strong as fuck.

Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUserLast edit: 07/12/2011 12:44

BooBoo   Czech Republic. Dec 07 2011 13:03. Posts 72

it is nash so it says that if you want to shove 20BB+ 56s profitably you must also shove AA


player999   Brasil. Dec 07 2011 13:10. Posts 7964


  On December 07 2011 12:03 BooBoo wrote:
it is nash so it says that if you want to shove 20BB+ 56s profitably you must also shove AA



yeah there's that too, thats why you must actually consider most of those values to be lower if you're giving yourself a realistic range

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

Daut    United States. Dec 07 2011 13:25. Posts 8509


  On December 07 2011 10:29 player999 wrote:



with antes at a 9 handed table you can shove like 80% with 8bb.

but yea you shouldnt be shoving 100% til ~2.5bb

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Critterer   United Kingdom. Dec 07 2011 14:28. Posts 5337

Useful table but how was it derived?

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devon06atX   Canada. Dec 07 2011 15:09. Posts 5058

maths critterer, maths

fuck em if they cant take a joke 

player999   Brasil. Dec 07 2011 17:21. Posts 7964


  On December 07 2011 12:25 Daut wrote:
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with antes at a 9 handed table you can shove like 80% with 8bb.

but yea you shouldnt be shoving 100% til ~2.5bb


most ppl dont realize how bad shoving the worst hands really is, and just shove anything at 10bb

Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol 

sunnysky7   . Dec 07 2011 23:39. Posts 1549

nice table it helps a lot
hope theres a table sutiable for BTN shoving blinds

 Last edit: 07/12/2011 23:41

Target-x17   Canada. Dec 08 2011 11:25. Posts 1027

That table is for non antes. We are talking late in a tournament where there are antes if you do the math for true bb its fine but most people dont. Remember this fish dont blindly follow a chart without knowing why

f u bw rock 

phexac   United States. Dec 08 2011 12:39. Posts 2562


  On December 07 2011 13:28 Critterer wrote:
Useful table but how was it derived?



Basic math mate

Nitting it up since 2006 

Critterer   United Kingdom. Dec 08 2011 17:52. Posts 5337

I guess i shoulda made my question clearer lol, i know it was derived by math but what is the math that results in the table?

for example: We have 86o in the small blind, nash equilibrium says 7.0bb to shove but how do you get this figure?

LudaHid: dam.ned dam.ned dam.ned. LudaHid: dam.ned northwooden as..hole 

Target-x17   Canada. Dec 08 2011 18:26. Posts 1027

fold equity + pot equity when you get called in some sort of wild math

f u bw rock 

 
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