Shoving Everything in the Small Blind

Situation: ITM fairly deep in the money and are about mid field.

Action is folded around to you and you are in the small blind. At what Xbb is shoving everything profitable given that antes are generally equal to the bb in total in the late game.

Let me know what is best LP!

9-11bb's depending on who you're shoving into.

Probably around 2bb vs most ppl
Shoving 72o at 9bb is almost always gonna be bad

no shoving 72 at 9 bb is +ev vs most people

I invite u to play hyper HUsngs with me then

On December 07 2011 10:29 player999 wrote:

I might be retarded but is it saying I should push A2s for 20+ bb? that seems pretty bad

no, its saying that doing that is not -EV, but also probably not the best option either

It means that if you were to shove vs 1 person in a SB vs BB scenerio that you would show more of profit in doing so at 20bbs than folding. Makes sense, you have an ace and that's strong as fuck.

it is nash so it says that if you want to shove 20BB+ 56s profitably you must also shove AA

On December 07 2011 12:03 BooBoo wrote: it is nash so it says that if you want to shove 20BB+ 56s profitably you must also shove AA

yeah there's that too, thats why you must actually consider most of those values to be lower if you're giving yourself a realistic range

On December 07 2011 10:29 player999 wrote:

with antes at a 9 handed table you can shove like 80% with 8bb.

but yea you shouldnt be shoving 100% til ~2.5bb

Useful table but how was it derived?

maths critterer, maths

On December 07 2011 12:25 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On December 07 2011 10:29 player999 wrote: with antes at a 9 handed table you can shove like 80% with 8bb. but yea you shouldnt be shoving 100% til ~2.5bb

most ppl dont realize how bad shoving the worst hands really is, and just shove anything at 10bb

nice table it helps a lot
hope theres a table sutiable for BTN shoving blinds

That table is for non antes. We are talking late in a tournament where there are antes if you do the math for true bb its fine but most people dont. Remember this fish dont blindly follow a chart without knowing why

On December 07 2011 13:28 Critterer wrote: Useful table but how was it derived?

Basic math mate

I guess i shoulda made my question clearer lol, i know it was derived by math but what is the math that results in the table?

for example: We have 86o in the small blind, nash equilibrium says 7.0bb to shove but how do you get this figure?

fold equity + pot equity when you get called in some sort of wild math