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Villain is olegim.Regarding to stats he cbets 62% and his c/r percentage at river is 8%.Also i do believe that he perceives me as a str8forward.About timings he snap shoved river.What do u think about his range here?

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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, December 03, 03:18:55 ET 2011
Table Haurak Real Money
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $108.05 USD - VPIP: 25, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 3.7, Hands: 1838
Seat 2: Player2 $171.20 USD - VPIP: 55, PFR: 30, 3B: 11, AF: 2.5, Hands: 165
Seat 3: Player3 $118.90 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2.4, Hands: 4795
Seat 4: Hero $103.00 USD
Seat 5: Player5 $173.20 USD - VPIP: 35, PFR: 20, 3B: 2, AF: 1.7, Hands: 114
Player5 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$3.00 USD]
Hero calls [$3.00 USD]
Player5 folds
Player1 folds

Flop (Pot : $7.50)

   
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$4.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$4.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $15.50)

   
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$9.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$9.00 USD]

River (Pot : $33.50)

   
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$24.00 USD]
Player3 raises [$102.90 USD]
Hero

lol awesome

this hand will make for great discussion, thanks for posting this gem

do you just call him down if he bets the turn and bets the river?

^why is this scenario relevant casinocasino ?
I believe you are bluff catching at this point, how he could get there like this with the hands that beat you is a mindfuck though. A2 makes some sense (not sure he would beshipping this in the current nl100 nitfest,to use the parlance of our times), A10 not much...
I call too much so I'd say fuck it on the spot, but that's my answer to everything
edit : there is always the ol' KQdd too, lol

I fold. =D

On December 03 2011 20:27 SpasticInk wrote: I fold. =D

Looks like the absolute nuts

I lean to call, your turn bet "felt" a little weak to me, so I think he thinks you're weaker than you actually are.

Do you think he's capable of taking this line as a pure bluff? Or value a hand like AK or any flush?

If he's on a lot of tables, the snapshove is scary, if on few tables, it's more bluffy I've noticed.

On December 04 2011 04:05 Mariuslol wrote: I lean to call, your turn bet "felt" a little weak to me, so I think he thinks you're weaker than you actually are. Do you think he's capable of taking this line as a pure bluff? Or value a hand like AK or any flush? If he's on a lot of tables, the snapshove is scary, if on few tables, it's more bluffy I've noticed.

What hands do we beat?

Villain is most likely betting all two pairs and sets, and smaller flushes. Only thing he check calls are like ak or aq with a flush draw, and he's not c/shoving the river with these hands.

U u think villain is going to c/c twice and shove river after villain looks "weak" for barreling 3 Times on hella scary board?
He never has pure air by the river.

If he's bluffing its with a made hand that prob would call if villain looked weak. This is the line of meganuts as in a flopped royal or villain is just mega nuts

usually when a reg does this to me he shows up with the nuts so..

edit: but then again i dont feel like folding FHs

its relevant because if his opponent bet all three streets and hero shoved on the river like he should, stacks go in regardless.

this looks like FPS more then anything, folding here would be silly.

call and take a note, isn't an ez call, but you can gain a lot of information if you call, and of course this hands is so uncomfortable.

should be either AJ / AT or air, not sure if he bluffs here, also its hard to think of a snapshove bluff

On December 04 2011 12:41 casinocasino wrote: its relevant because if his opponent bet all three streets and hero shoved on the river like he should, stacks go in regardless. this looks like FPS more then anything, folding here would be silly.

What exactly does he have that he goes bet bet bet/call? Also, on this particular board he probably checks most of his hands with showdown value since his pure value range is basically non-existent, not realising that by doing so he gives opportunity to get away from coolers like this, so I think this line is relevant only if he's not making a mistake like that, which imo he does.

On December 04 2011 12:45 el_tilon wrote: call and take a note, isn't an ez call, but you can gain a lot of information if you call, and of course this hands is so uncomfortable.

You gain information that he played his nuts in a way that allows you to fold worse but you didnt? On which street does he make an exploitable mistake by showing up with AJ here?

I mean, he'd either have to decide to go c/c c/c c/shove as a pure bluff, c/c with sd value and decide to turn it into a bluff after seeing your turn bet, or has a bigger boat or better. To go bluff he needs to have a rather specific read on you imo, playing like this vs randoms is not the way of a 100NL multitabling reg.

can you elaborate, your post is very complicated to comprehend.

in regards to this question: What exactly does he have that he goes bet bet bet/call?
how do you know he doesent bet bet bet and call it off with a flush or a straight, its nl100 people cant fold those hands on the river.

--- Nuked ---

On December 04 2011 04:05 Mariuslol wrote: I lean to call, your turn bet "felt" a little weak to me, so I think he thinks you're weaker than you actually are. Do you think he's capable of taking this line as a pure bluff? Or value a hand like AK or any flush? If he's on a lot of tables, the snapshove is scary, if on few tables, it's more bluffy I've noticed.

Why does the turn bet "feel weak"? Not disputing but I just don't see why we wouldn't be vbetting turn with this and Ax

he obv floped the royal flush . I am folding the river. No one is raising and check/calling 2 str and then check jam the river as bluff on boards with high cards.

i fold, nobody is bluffing in that spot

On December 04 2011 16:10 casinocasino wrote: can you elaborate, your post is very complicated to comprehend. in regards to this question: What exactly does he have that he goes bet bet bet/call? how do you know he doesent bet bet bet and call it off with a flush or a straight, its nl100 people cant fold those hands on the river.

Well from my experience it's very hard to find someone who's been grinding 50NL-100NL a lot that would go bet bet bet and call off river with less than boat here. With straight he will already be in "fml" mode on the flop and when board pairs will look for a cheap showdown or a fold, with flush he willprobably go for smaller bets here (aiming at ~100bb pot while keeping in straights, trips and lower flushes) and will make room for b/f on the river, only (maybe) going for "proper" value line against spewtards. This makes me believe your point of "we would get it in anyways if he played it well" invalid.
Also, he has just a few possible flushes: couple of Khxh, probably no Qhxh and maybe some connectors, but he might not be that happy to b,b,b with 9 high flush, so with TT here we are much closer to bluffcatching than valueraising if he ever goes bet bet bet.