Allin river HU WSOP

i prefer A8 more than 98s , at least it makes sense

On November 09 2011 21:27 sunnysky7 wrote: i prefer A8 more than 98s , at least it makes sense

not much really, the other idiot is really unlikely to fold better, if he is bad enough to not herocall w/ better he is, as seen in this hand, able to turn it into a bluff

On November 09 2011 20:31 player999 wrote: Dumbest ever, completely terrible by both of them, as I predicted before the broadcast, I would tilt if I watched the HU because they both (whoever got there) were complete retards and would be winning millions while making terrible plays. That big AQ x Q9 was also pretty awful, good thing I did not watch this.

But you're talking about the new WSOP ME Champion and runner up yo, they must be sick good to reach those stages no?

? i don't see anything wrong with either of the plays. A8 turns his hand into a bluff to fold out all 1 pair hands pretty standard, 89 play is less standard but if he thinks his opponent will fold out Jx to a river raise then it is almost certainly the best play. If his opponent calls the c/r with Jx then the play is bad. Calling is the safe play with 89, but he basically is only beating a bluff with 89, since his opponent really shoudlnt' be valuebetting worse than MAYBE 2 pair hands, and Jx+. So raising folds out all bluffs (which he would beat by calling anyway) but gives the added benefit of possibly folding out better 2 pair/sets/Jx/low flushes. Questionable but defendable

oops

i didn't watch a single hand of the wsop so i have no idea for his read being accurate or not, but from an outside perspective seems like someone could easily fold Jx, i mean with so much on the line people make big folds all the time

whoops my bad misremembered the hand

turn call was pretty bad imo. He had A8ss i think.

river shove seemed good. He coulda c/c river as well, given how loose the guy was calling turn barrels, there is probably a big enough range of hands turned into bluff that bluffcatching river is +ev.

i didn't watch wsop though so i cant know weather the river shove play was intentionally good or mistakenly good

On November 10 2011 02:16 Stroggoz wrote: i didn't watch wsop though so i cant know weather the river shove play was intentionally good or mistakenly good

yeah, thats the point, they are just wanting to make "big plays on the big stage" and anything that you can argue as being a good play is very likely just "button clicking" that turned out to be right

On November 09 2011 23:51 MezmerizePLZ wrote: If his opponent calls the c/r with Jx then the play is bad.

I think this definitely would be the case.

I ended up pot-committed and watched the entire broadcast, by far I think the worst play was Staszko's folding Qh6h on I believe a 45J board with 2 hearts. Action went Staszko checks (to pf raiser), Heinz bets, Staszko 3bets, Heinz shoves allin (with 5T), Staszko folds. On either that hand or the pivotal Q9 vs AQ hand if Staszko simply shoves over the initial bet the match would get played out a bit differently. Though aside from that and the fact that Staszko's raise from the button frequency was only around 30% he played a much better game.

On November 10 2011 12:21 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2011 23:51 MezmerizePLZ wrote: If his opponent calls the c/r with Jx then the play is bad. I think this definitely would be the case. I ended up pot-committed and watched the entire broadcast, by far I think the worst play was Staszko's folding Qh6h on I believe a 45J board with 2 hearts. Action went Staszko checks (to pf raiser), Heinz bets, Staszko 3bets, Heinz shoves allin (with 5T), Staszko folds. On either that hand or the pivotal Q9 vs AQ hand if Staszko simply shoves over the initial bet the match would get played out a bit differently. Though aside from that and the fact that Staszko's raise from the button frequency was only around 30% he played a much better game.

na heinz played better; staszko was racking super hard like 60bb deep for over 100 hands and couldn't put it away. that Qh6h was just fucking god awful. staszko had at worst 55% equity more if both his overs were live. such a fish move trying to hero fold vs the nut flush or whatever the fuck he was thinking

lol@martin staszko ever folding better in that spot after betting

jx is a shrug and a call, a better 2p is a snap chk behind for him.

Beyond horrible shove on the river, just a fine example of some bad plays tournament players are able to get away with.

Watched most of FT. The biggest question was Collins, he played solid in the stream I watched before FT and then he comes with this limping startegy? Trying to be fancy pants or wtf was that

wtf Clay... that is a ridiculous shove, folding low flushes? r usrs?

it was a horrible horrible shove

He'd prob have to fold a jack thinking that heinz is trying to make it look like it's a chop hand when he's actually beat. Def could see a J folding, prob not backdoor flush but maybe.

On that 98 vs A8 hand, I remember being shocked that Staszko's river bluff didn't work.

I mean it kinda did... he got the german guy to believe he had some JX hand, but fuck, what sicko thinks he can fold out JX on that board in a tourney wtf....

I mean Heinz made a retard monkey bluff w KQ on that A hi board vs Staszko's KK and got picked off litterally 5-6 hands before this hand.

Bottom line: Staszko was not folding a JX hand.

the way the board ran out, I can't see how anybody can even talk about folding a J here wtf is this madness