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xicotaSLB   Portugal. Nov 07 2011 17:09. Posts 1108

This guy is a reg 3 betting at 2% (350H) ... can i fold turn? after he calls flop i dont think he has QQ in is range, could he be doing this w AAd or KKd?


Submitted by : xicotaSLB

PokerStars Game #70195373575: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2011/11/07 17:31:14 ET
Table Boucolion X 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Roeleke333 ($75.74 in chips)
Seat 2: ZoLoToI_LoL$ ($26.01 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($73.93 in chips)
Seat 4: marcoregoluf ($28.35 in chips)
Seat 5: AndyGarsia ($97.74 in chips)
Seat 6: Littlengland ($25.86 in chips)
Roeleke333: posts small blind $0.10
ZoLoToI_LoL$: posts big blind $0.25
Roeleke333: posts the ante $0.05
ZoLoToI_LoL$: posts the ante $0.05
Hero: posts the ante $0.05
marcoregoluf: posts the ante $0.05
AndyGarsia: posts the ante $0.05
Littlengland: posts the ante $0.05

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero AsAh
Hero: raises $0.50 to $0.75
marcoregoluf: folds
AndyGarsia: raises $1.50 to $2.25
Littlengland: folds
Littlengland leaves the table
Roeleke333: folds
ZoLoToI_LoL$: folds
Hero: raises $5 to $7.25
AndyGarsia: calls $5

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $14.85)

   JdQd4s
Hero: bets $11.25
AndyGarsia: calls $11.25

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $37.35)

   JdQd4s4d
Hero: bets $23.75
AndyGarsia: raises $55.44 to $79.19 and is all-in
Hero: calls $31.63 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($23.81) returned to AndyGarsia

River (Pot : $148.11)

   JdQd4s4dTd

Showdown
Hero: shows AsAh (two pair, Aces and Fours)
AndyGarsia: shows AdKd (a Royal Flush)
AndyGarsia collected $146.41 from pot

Summary
Total pot $148.41 | Rake $2
Board  JdQd4s4dTd
Seat 1: Roeleke333 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ZoLoToI_LoL$ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Hero showed AsAh and lost with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 4: marcoregoluf folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: AndyGarsia showed AdKd and won ($146.41) with a Royal Flush
Seat 6: Littlengland (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

 Last edit: 07/11/2011 17:16

GoTuNk   Chile. Nov 07 2011 19:33. Posts 2652

I honestly have no clue what to do. Also don't post results.

 Last edit: 07/11/2011 19:34

rememp   Canada. Nov 07 2011 21:12. Posts 480

as much as this sucks I think you have to fold turn. Well board is paired, I have no idea. Maybe call. This just blows


Rapoza   Brasil. Nov 07 2011 21:19. Posts 1461

Nasty spot, only thing i can add is this:


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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 07 2011 21:31. Posts 2929

prob start by checking flop.

i drink ur milkshake 

vlseph   United States. Nov 08 2011 00:18. Posts 3025


  On November 07 2011 21:31 Stroggoz wrote:
prob start by checking flop.



hmm i disagree but i think turn fold is fine although i'm not sure if check/calling is better.

The only hands a nit balances in his range are the nuts, the second nuts, and the third nuts. 

el_tilon   Canada. Nov 08 2011 00:39. Posts 296

check/fold turn imo, you are too deep to bet all your money with only one pair. also if you call the turn, you are in a bad shape on the river, so I prefer fold in this spot

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Oly   United Kingdom. Nov 08 2011 05:05. Posts 3551


  On November 07 2011 21:31 Stroggoz wrote:
prob start by checking flop.

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auffenpuffer   Finland. Nov 08 2011 06:35. Posts 1408

If we check the flop, what is our plan for the hand? to check / call 3 streets?


xicotaSLB   Portugal. Nov 08 2011 06:36. Posts 1108

thing is he has KK in is range, if i c/f and he bets KK its setting money on fire... just an awful spot but oh well cant be that bad since ive seen many regs spazz this deep at these stakes..


SpasticInk   Sweden. Nov 08 2011 11:12. Posts 6240

Not sure what I do here, pretty gross spot. But river is foldable, for sure.


Minsk   Belarus. Nov 08 2011 14:15. Posts 800

dont like the way you played this, think i either c/c flop or b/f turn

he doesnt show up with KK too often when he shoves, QQ AdKx AdKd JJ AdQx are bigger parts of his range i think

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Syntax   United States. Nov 08 2011 18:26. Posts 4406

i'd bet like 2.25/7 on flop

wut wut wutLast edit: 08/11/2011 18:27

TalentedTom    Canada. Nov 08 2011 20:32. Posts 19853

this is an incredibly tough spot, i dont blame u for going broke

for anyone who says check, you cant pot control OOP when villian has you beat, him having position means hes gonna fk us up whenever he wants unless we somehow hero fold, i suppose in this particular spot we would be able to find a river fold quite easily, however im not sure thats the more profitable play

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SugoGosu   Korea (South). Dec 09 2011 01:06. Posts 1785

idk i might be a super nit, but how is this a tough spot? We have AA, no re-draws to a stronger hand, and the only thing we beat on the turn is random AK and KK. Once he ships it on the turn, I really can't see him doing this with worse than KK (and that's such a small range of JJ/QQ/KK/AA that calls a 4bet vs UTG raiser)

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TalentedTom    Canada. Dec 09 2011 08:44. Posts 19853


  On December 09 2011 01:06 SugoGosu wrote:
idk i might be a super nit, but how is this a tough spot? We have AA, no re-draws to a stronger hand, and the only thing we beat on the turn is random AK and KK. Once he ships it on the turn, I really can't see him doing this with worse than KK (and that's such a small range of JJ/QQ/KK/AA that calls a 4bet vs UTG raiser)



if thats his turn range its a clear call...

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SugoGosu   Korea (South). Dec 09 2011 12:53. Posts 1785

How is that ever a call? Looks like easy fold to me

Say this outloud! Why was six afraid of seven?......Because Seven Eight NineLast edit: 09/12/2011 12:55

TalentedTom    Canada. Dec 09 2011 13:40. Posts 19853


  On December 09 2011 12:53 SugoGosu wrote:
How is that ever a call? Looks like easy fold to me




Board: Qd Jd 4s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.017% 41.96% 03.06% 240 17.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 54.983% 51.92% 03.06% 297 17.50 { JJ+ }



Please run the math before making a 2nd post which contributes nothing


on that note - even vs the NUT range which includes only AKdd, and JJ-AA this is a super easy call

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.289% 39.45% 02.84% 243 17.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 57.711% 54.87% 02.84% 338 17.50 { JJ+, AdKd }

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TalentedTom    Canada. Dec 09 2011 13:41. Posts 19853

didn't think this would be such an easy call, thought owuld be a lot closer, but this is a snap call ;-0

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TalentedTom    Canada. Dec 09 2011 13:44. Posts 19853

That's also vs the worst possible range immaginable, if we add AK and assume he floats only when he has a diamond (which is a semi-reasonable assumption) it looks like

Board: Qd Jd 4s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.179% 46.97% 02.21% 372 17.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 50.821% 48.61% 02.21% 385 17.50 { JJ+, AdKd, AcKd, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKd, AsKd }

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

 
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