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Try2BePerfect   . Oct 03 2011 13:44. Posts 469

Submitted by : Try2BePerfect

PokerStars Game #68426292699: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/10/03 14:00:02 ET
Table Caliban VIII 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: jurakc ($203.90 in chips)
Seat 2: joeberle ($525.05 in chips)
Seat 3: the clêaner ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: Mastralessio ($42.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($152.95 in chips)
Seat 6: lebowskiguy ($243 in chips)
Mastralessio: posts small blind $0.50
Hero: posts big blind $1
jurakc: posts the ante $0.20
joeberle: posts the ante $0.20
the clêaner: posts the ante $0.20
Mastralessio: posts the ante $0.20
Hero: posts the ante $0.20
lebowskiguy: posts the ante $0.20

Holecards
Dealt to Hero KdAc
lebowskiguy: folds
jurakc: raises $2.50 to $3.50
joeberle: folds
the clêaner: folds
Mastralessio: calls $3
Hero: raises $13.50 to $17
jurakc: folds
Mastralessio: calls $13.50

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

   QsTd6c
Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks

Turn (Pot : $37.50)

   QsTd6c5d
Mastralessio: bets $15
Hero: ???



His stats were 63/14/3.2 after 50 hands.
I've got a read that he donks very small and folds to moderate raises(made it 3 times vs me)
When his flop small donk bet got called once, he made a small cbet on Turn and folded also to moderate raise.
(for example, pot is 9$ on F, he donked 2$, got called, donked 3$ on T folded to raise to 11$).

I think shove flop vs him is still fine(maybe a better play than mine), but is this line also 'OK' vs him with this read?
If he has any piece of the flop [which I think he has since he small donks with air (??) ] I think I would still get paid off on any A/K/J.
When he bets so big on turn commiting himself I see no other options than fold.

 Last edit: 03/10/2011 13:44

SleepyHead   . Oct 03 2011 15:09. Posts 687

I wouldn't really call this flop missed; you do have 2 overs and a gut. The pot is big and he only has 25 left so just stick it in on the flop.

How do you have a full house wtf - traxamillion 

handbanana21   United States. Oct 03 2011 16:18. Posts 2818

too much analysis for such a simple hand. Just shove flop.


TalentedTom    Canada. Oct 03 2011 16:32. Posts 19803

i dont get why u dont shove flop

your thinking wayy to hard about a super trivial spot

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

SpasticInk   Sweden. Oct 03 2011 16:39. Posts 6239


  On October 03 2011 16:18 handbanana21 wrote:
too much analysis for such a simple hand. Just shove flop.


SpasticInk   Sweden. Oct 03 2011 16:40. Posts 6239

u are ahead a lot of the time, u will have plenty of backdoor outs if called, you will get called by worse a lot. its not even a potsize bet left...


waga   United Kingdom. Oct 03 2011 18:31. Posts 2355

worse ? KJ ? 9J ?
backdoor ?
but yeah ez shove


traxamillion   United States. Oct 04 2011 02:17. Posts 6896

shoving flop is massively better than all other options


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 04 2011 02:50. Posts 2924

if he has T8o, you still have 36.85% equity. if you shove and he calls you risk $25.5 to win $63. So in fact even if you know he has a pair and is calling 95% of the time you still gotta shove. might pay to practice some maths.

i drink ur milkshake 

Twisted    Netherlands. Oct 04 2011 08:56. Posts 10305

This topic hurts my head.

Jesus christ you make a bazillion topics about retarded shit and after a year or whatever of you making these kind of topics you still suck shit and don't know how to handle the most MOST basic spots ever.

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

QsTd6c
Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

(btw I'm tilted as fuck)


TheHuHu3   United States. Oct 04 2011 23:53. Posts 5411


  On October 04 2011 08:56 Twisted wrote:
This topic hurts my head.

Jesus christ you make a bazillion topics about retarded shit and after a year or whatever of you making these kind of topics you still suck shit and don't know how to handle the most MOST basic spots ever.

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

QsTd6c
Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

(btw I'm tilted as fuck)



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TheHuHu4 coming soon :) 

EvilSky    Czech Republic. Oct 05 2011 03:44. Posts 8874

wtf twisted, you could have kept that to yourself.

As for the hand I actually dont mind a check but its to induce, not so you can try and hit. With these stacks the hand is pretty much over when he calls pre, regardless of what comes you are getting it in, now you just need to figure out the best terms to do it on and checking the flop allows him to potentially bluff the hands that he would have folded to a flop shove. Shoving the flop is obviously standard as well.


Minsk   Belarus. Oct 05 2011 09:52. Posts 781

nah, twisted's right


Rapoza   Brasil. Oct 05 2011 12:37. Posts 1449

ur hand has no showdown value, 20-25% of the time u are getting outdrawed by any random hand if ahead plus u got a ton of equity/fold equity for less then a pot bet...

Pouncer Style 4 the win 

Twisted    Netherlands. Oct 07 2011 19:00. Posts 10305

lol my post looks so hostile now


sTrAtO   Mexico. Oct 07 2011 20:34. Posts 5876

Why is this hand in the midstakes section?

and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol

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TalentedTom    Canada. Oct 08 2011 00:38. Posts 19803


  On October 07 2011 20:34 sTrAtO wrote:
Why is this hand in the midstakes section?

and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol



a lot of people think just because they play 100nl that it belongs in mid stakes, the quality of discussion that this hand creates belongs in micro stakes

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same 

superfashion   United States. Oct 08 2011 07:01. Posts 918

what's the problem, you have a sick hand and he has 25 dollars left

stick it in

shoving here as a bluff at 50NL is like explaning calcalus to a 6 month old cat wtf are you thinking - TalentedTom 

el_tilon   Canada. Oct 10 2011 21:01. Posts 296

i dont check that flop

THE TILTMONKEY MASTER 

YoMeR   United States. Oct 15 2011 18:21. Posts 12017


  On October 08 2011 00:38 TalentedTom wrote:
Show nested quote +



a lot of people think just because they play 100nl that it belongs in mid stakes, the quality of discussion that this hand creates belongs in micro stakes

QFT. wtf anything but jamming flop in this hand is -ev.

eZ Life. 

 
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