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Try2BePerfect . Oct 03 2011 13:44. Posts 469

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PokerStars Game #68426292699: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/10/03 14:00:02 ET
Table Caliban VIII 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: jurakc ($203.90 in chips)
Seat 2: joeberle ($525.05 in chips)
Seat 3: the cl�aner ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: Mastralessio ($42.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($152.95 in chips)
Seat 6: lebowskiguy ($243 in chips)
Mastralessio: posts small blind $0.50
Hero: posts big blind $1
jurakc: posts the ante $0.20
joeberle: posts the ante $0.20
the cl�aner: posts the ante $0.20
Mastralessio: posts the ante $0.20
Hero: posts the ante $0.20
lebowskiguy: posts the ante $0.20

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
lebowskiguy: folds
jurakc: raises $2.50 to $3.50
joeberle: folds
the cl�aner: folds
Mastralessio: calls $3
Hero: raises $13.50 to $17
jurakc: folds
Mastralessio: calls $13.50

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks

Turn (Pot : $37.50)

Mastralessio: bets $15
Hero: ???

His stats were 63/14/3.2 after 50 hands.
I've got a read that he donks very small and folds to moderate raises(made it 3 times vs me)
When his flop small donk bet got called once, he made a small cbet on Turn and folded also to moderate raise.
(for example, pot is 9$ on F, he donked 2$, got called, donked 3$ on T folded to raise to 11$).

I think shove flop vs him is still fine(maybe a better play than mine), but is this line also 'OK' vs him with this read?
If he has any piece of the flop [which I think he has since he small donks with air (??) ] I think I would still get paid off on any A/K/J.
When he bets so big on turn commiting himself I see no other options than fold.

Last edit: 03/10/2011 13:44

SleepyHead . Oct 03 2011 15:09. Posts 669

I wouldn't really call this flop missed; you do have 2 overs and a gut. The pot is big and he only has 25 left so just stick it in on the flop.

How do you have a full house wtf - traxamillion

handbanana21 United States. Oct 03 2011 16:18. Posts 2665

too much analysis for such a simple hand. Just shove flop.

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Canada. Oct 03 2011 16:32. Posts 18658

i dont get why u dont shove flop

your thinking wayy to hard about a super trivial spot

Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game

SpasticInk Sweden. Oct 03 2011 16:39. Posts 6075

On October 03 2011 16:18 handbanana21 wrote:
too much analysis for such a simple hand. Just shove flop.

SpasticInk Sweden. Oct 03 2011 16:40. Posts 6075

u are ahead a lot of the time, u will have plenty of backdoor outs if called, you will get called by worse a lot. its not even a potsize bet left...

waga Malta. Oct 03 2011 18:31. Posts 1953

worse ? KJ ? 9J ?
backdoor ?
but yeah ez shove

traxamillion United States. Oct 04 2011 02:17. Posts 6019

shoving flop is massively better than all other options

Stroggoz New Zealand. Oct 04 2011 02:50. Posts 2631

if he has T8o, you still have 36.85% equity. if you shove and he calls you risk $25.5 to win $63. So in fact even if you know he has a pair and is calling 95% of the time you still gotta shove. might pay to practice some maths.

i drink ur milkshake

Twisted

Netherlands. Oct 04 2011 08:56. Posts 10109

This topic hurts my head.

Jesus christ you make a bazillion topics about retarded shit and after a year or whatever of you making these kind of topics you still suck shit and don't know how to handle the most MOST basic spots ever.

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

QsTd6c
Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

(btw I'm tilted as fuck)

TheHuHu3 United States. Oct 04 2011 23:53. Posts 5173

On October 04 2011 08:56 Twisted wrote:
This topic hurts my head.

Jesus christ you make a bazillion topics about retarded shit and after a year or whatever of you making these kind of topics you still suck shit and don't know how to handle the most MOST basic spots ever.

Flop (Pot : $37.50)

QsTd6c
Mastralessio: checks
Hero: checks

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

(btw I'm tilted as fuck)

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TheHuHu4 coming soon :)

EvilSky

Czech Republic. Oct 05 2011 03:44. Posts 8773

wtf twisted, you could have kept that to yourself.

As for the hand I actually dont mind a check but its to induce, not so you can try and hit. With these stacks the hand is pretty much over when he calls pre, regardless of what comes you are getting it in, now you just need to figure out the best terms to do it on and checking the flop allows him to potentially bluff the hands that he would have folded to a flop shove. Shoving the flop is obviously standard as well.

Minsk Belarus. Oct 05 2011 09:52. Posts 645

nah, twisted's right

Eating good , had to shoot my way up out of Bennigans

Rapoza Brasil. Oct 05 2011 12:37. Posts 1130

ur hand has no showdown value, 20-25% of the time u are getting outdrawed by any random hand if ahead plus u got a ton of equity/fold equity for less then a pot bet...

Pouncer Style 4 the win

Twisted

Netherlands. Oct 07 2011 19:00. Posts 10109

lol my post looks so hostile now

sTrAtO Mexico. Oct 07 2011 20:34. Posts 5871

Why is this hand in the midstakes section?

and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol

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Canada. Oct 08 2011 00:38. Posts 18658

On October 07 2011 20:34 sTrAtO wrote:
Why is this hand in the midstakes section?

and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol

a lot of people think just because they play 100nl that it belongs in mid stakes, the quality of discussion that this hand creates belongs in micro stakes

Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game

superfashion United States. Oct 08 2011 07:01. Posts 918

what's the problem, you have a sick hand and he has 25 dollars left

stick it in

shoving here as a bluff at 50NL is like explaning calcalus to a 6 month old cat wtf are you thinking - TalentedTom

el_tilon Seychelles. Oct 10 2011 21:01. Posts 168

i dont check that flop

THE TILTMONKEY MASTER

YoMeR United States. Oct 15 2011 18:21. Posts 11484

On October 08 2011 00:38 TalentedTom wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 20:34 sTrAtO wrote:
Why is this hand in the midstakes section?

and why you didn't put him allin? O_O He's calling u with A9o and shit like that and he won't fold it but he may fold a pair of 77 or something, the minds of the fish are really weird lol

a lot of people think just because they play 100nl that it belongs in mid stakes, the quality of discussion that this hand creates belongs in micro stakes

QFT. wtf anything but jamming flop in this hand is -ev.

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