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Baalim Mexico. Sep 02 2011 19:10. Posts 34246

Well lately there has been a lot of new leaks, some unintentionally leaked by wikileaks and others by anon constant hackings.

So here are a few (ill try to post sources)

* Family of 10 in iraq is handcuffed, forced to kneel and executed, women and children included, the youngest one being 6 months old

* UN Peacekeepers were exchanging food for sex to underaged african girls

* Berlusconi (italys prime minister) is secretly recording vowing to leaving italy, and as he describes it, "this shitty country that sickens me" - source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/01/berlusconi-vows-leave-shitty-italy

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Ill keep posting leaks here, you should really follow the Anon tweeter acounts, its INSANE the things you dont hear on the mainstream media, and you have no idea how active anon truly is around the globe.

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palak United States. Sep 02 2011 19:15. Posts 4601

cross from libya thread

On September 01 2011 13:47 Baalim wrote:
i dont feel like opening a new thread since its all the same bullshit but for some of you who dont know, Wikileaks actuall unintentionally revealed more cables and so far.

- American soldiers lined up an civilian iraqi family, made them kneel down and shot them in the head

- American soldiers lined up 10 civilians, handcuffed and shot them in the head, included children and women

- UN "peacekeeprs" in africa were trading food for sex with underaged african girls.

This is the world we live in, this is the what the government and war produce.

one source cuz im not going to bother to copy paste the other links, its just not worth it, coward and willingly ignorant people will keep believing no matter what, no amount of blood shed will make them question themselves.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/311006

That's completely disgusting. Glad it got leaked, wish ppl would face charges.

This however is a completely idiotic move by wikileaks.
WikiLeaks has released its full catalog of 251,000 unredacted U.S. diplomatic cables, exposing the names of sources and potentially placing those individuals in harm’s way.
The organization’s five former publishing partners, the U.K.'s the Guardian, Germany's Der Spiegel, France's Le Monde, Spain's El Pais, and the New York Times have released a joint statement condemning WikiLeaks’s move.
“We deplore the decision of WikiLeaks to publish the unredacted State Department cables, which may put sources at risk,” it reads. “Our previous dealings with WikiLeaks were on the clear basis that we would only publish cables which had been subjected to a thorough editing and clearance process. We will continue to defend our collaborative publishing endeavor."
In the past, these media organizations would cull through documents and publish files deemed newsworthy in small pieces. The names of sources, some of which had communicated confidentially with U.S. diplomats, were omitted as their identities had been labeled “strictly protect” in the files. The Guardian says more than 1,000 of the documents exposed on Friday had been given this designation, and at least 150 whistleblowers are named specifically.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392345,00.asp

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Baalim Mexico. Sep 02 2011 19:17. Posts 34246

It was definitely unintentional, apparently some guy made a password public containing way more information than he thought it had.

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Baalim Mexico. Sep 02 2011 19:19. Posts 34246

They probably wont face any charges while Bradley Manning who is a fucking hero rots in jail while Obama breaks his promise of protecting whistle blowers.

On the upside apparently the news about the executed family is bringing US - Iraq negotiations to a stop forcing the US troops to leave earlier, maybe 2011:
http://thinkprogress.org/security/201.../wikileaks-us-iraq-talks-troops-2011/

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palak United States. Sep 02 2011 19:21. Posts 4601

Since my posts are just news articles they r spoilered + Show Spoiler +

The cable, written in January, 2010 focuses on the behavior of Beninese peacekeepers stationed in the war-torn western town of Toulepleu.
A random poll of 10 underage girls by aid group Save The Children UK in 2009 found that eight performed sexual acts on a regular basis in exchange for their most basic needs.

A UN peacekeeper tank passes a street in Haiti. Sexual misconduct by UN troops has been reported in a number of countries including Congo, Cambodia and Haiti ¿ as well as in an earlier incident involving Moroccan peacekeepers in Ivory Coast
Parents were encouraging their daughters to sleep with the peacekeepers so they would provide for them, according to the cable.
'Eight of the 10 said they had ongoing sexual relationships with Beninese soldiers in exchange for food or lodging,' the diplomat wrote.
Earlier this week, U.N. spokesman Michel Bonnardeaux confirmed 16 Beninese peacekeepers are now barred from serving with them following a year-long probe.
Of the 16 soldiers involved, 10 were commanders.They 'failed to maintain an environment that prevents sexual exploitation and abuse,' he said.
Sexual misconduct by UN troops has been reported in a number of countries including Congo, Cambodia and Haiti – as well as in an earlier incident involving Moroccan peacekeepers in Ivory Coast.
Bonnardeaux said that 42 allegations of sexual abuse by UN staff in Ivory Coast have been reported since 2007. Sixteen involved minors. None have been reported yet this year, according to UN records

The Iraqi government is to launch a new investigation into one of the most controversial incidents of the Iraq war, after the release of a diplomatic cable alleging that US soldiers handcuffed and executed women and children during a 2006 raid.

The troops were also accused of calling in an air strike to destroy evidence.

An adviser to the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, said on Friday that previous inquiries had stalled but the government would revive its investigation as a result of the new information.

In 2006 there were conflicting accounts of what had happened at Ishaqi village, north of Baghdad; troops said nothing inappropriate had taken place, but villagers suggested the deaths had been a revenge attack for the earlier killing of two soldiers.

A diplomatic cable released this week by WikiLeaks revealed that a United Nations official, Philip Alston, told the US in 2006 he had received information that all the residents of the house had been shot in the head. His intervention was not made public at the time.

The letter has inflamed opinion in Iraq at a sensitive time in US-Iraq relations, amid difficult negotiations over retention of US bases in Iraq after the scheduled departure of US troops in December.

Iraqi officials said the new information was sufficient cause to deny the Americans any bases and demand all troops leave.

"The new report about this crime will have its impact on signing any new agreement," an Iraqi parliamentarian, Aliya Nusayif, told the AP. She said Iraq's parliament would investigate and seek to prosecute any US soldiers who commit crimes in Iraq in the future.

As part of the negotiations over keeping US troops in Iraq, Washington is demanding immunity for all US military personnel. But Maliki's spokesman, Ali al-Moussawi, said: "We will not give up the rights of the Iraqi people, and this subject will be followed."..."According to the information received, American troops approached Mr Faiz's home in the early hours of 15 March 2006. It would appear that when the MNF [multinational forces] approached the house, shots were fired from it and a confrontation ensued for some 25 minutes. The MNF troops entered the house, handcuffed all residents and executed all of them. After the initial MNF intervention, a US air raid ensued that destroyed the house," Alston wrote. He added: "Iraqi TV stations broadcast from the scene and showed bodies of the victims (ie five children and four women) in the morgue of Tikrit. Autopsies carried out at the Tikrit hospital's morgue revealed that all corpses were shot in the head and handcuffed."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/02/wikileaks-iraq-massacre-inquiry

BAGHDAD — Iraq’s government will reopen an investigation into a 2006 raid in which U.S. forces killed at least 11 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, a spokesman for Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Friday.

The new probe comes after documents surfaced in a WikiLeaks cache that raise fresh doubts about the Pentagon’s version of events, which cleared the U.S. military of any wrongdoing.Iraqis in the town of Ishaqi have long claimed that U.S. military forces executed at least 11 people there — including five women and children — and then hid the crime by directing an airstrike to the area, about 60 miles north of Baghdad.

A Pentagon spokesman dismissed the new claims on Friday and said that from the viewpoint of the U.S. military, nothing has changed.

“Basically there’s nothing new we haven’t looked into already,” said Lt. Col. Jim Gregory. “Our position remains the same.”

In the document revealed this week by WikiLeaks, a U.N. inspector named Philip Alston appears to support the Iraqi claims. He describes how U.S. forces approached a house in the early morning hours of March 15, 2006 and found a family inside, then “handcuffed all the residents and executed them.”

Among the dead were a 28-year-old Iraqi man, Faiz Harrat Al-Majma’ee, and his extended family, including five children under the age of 5, the U.N. report said. Autopsies done later in the hospital in Tikrit showed that “all the corpses were shot in the head and handcuffed,” Alston noted.

U.S. coalition spokesmen said at the time that there was no wrongdoing and that the commander “properly followed the rules of engagement as he necessarily escalated the use of force until the threat was eliminated.” Allegations that a family was executed were described as “absolutely false.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iraq-to-reopen-probe-of-deadly-ishaqi-raid/2011/09/02/gIQAT0hSwJ_story.html

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange late last year told associates his website's entire cache of U.S. diplomatic cables "must somehow" be released, according to a written record of the discussion.The record -- notes of a meeting -- describes an intense conversation between Assange and other WikiLeaks activists in November at Ellingham Hall, a mansion in eastern England where he has resided since British courts released him on bail pending a decision on a Swedish extradition request for his questioning about sexual misconduct allegations.

According to the notes, examined by Reuters, the substance of the meeting was a "heated conversation about rough plans on releasing cables." The debate's details were first reported on Friday on the website of Britain's Guardian newspaper by James Ball, a former WikiLeaks staffer who attended the meeting and who now works for the Guardian.Evidence of the discussions surfaced as WikiLeaks announced that it was releasing its entire database of "251,287 US embassy cables in searchable format." People who examined the database said its contents are unredacted.

The topic under discussion at Ellingham Hall was a plan under which WikiLeaks would give mainstream media organizations access to the cable cache in return for their agreement to redact sensitive information from the documents before publication. Last year, human rights groups criticized WikiLeaks for releasing raw U.S. military documents whose contents could have jeopardized the safety of civilians.

According to the notes, a Scandinavian activist said: "You do realize the idea of not putting ALL of these cables up is totally unacceptable to people around this table, don't you?" This set off "another shouting match." According to the notes, Assange was "insistent all cables must somehow be eventually released."

Assange did not respond to an email requesting comment which was sent to him via the owner of the mansion.

The notes do not allege that Assange or others were insisting that the full document cache be released uncensored. In a book on WikiLeaks published earlier this year, two Guardian journalists, David Leigh and Luke Harding, wrote that when he started talking about releasing classified U.S. government documents, Assange expressed reluctance to redact the material, but was persuaded to do so by mainstream reporters.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/207961/20110902/wikileaks-assange-wanteds-cables-released-months-ago.htm

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palak United States. Sep 02 2011 19:36. Posts 4601

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On September 02 2011 18:19 Baalim wrote:
They probably wont face any charges while Bradley Manning who is a fucking hero rots in jail while Obama breaks his promise of protecting whistle blowers.

The Bradley Manning situation is disgusting. He deserves a trial and w/ any luck would get off on charges like Ellsberg did.

Due to the gross governmental misconduct and illegal evidence gathering, and the defense by Leonard Boudin and Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson, Judge Byrne dismissed all charges against Ellsberg and Russo on May 11, 1973 after the government claimed it had lost records of wiretapping against Ellsberg. Byrne ruled: "The totality of the circumstances of this case which I have only briefly sketched offend a sense of justice. The bizarre events have incurably infected the prosecution of this case."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg#Trial_and_mistrial

We were already planning to leave by the end of 2011 unless the Iraq gov't requested we stay. Thing this cable does mostly is just guarantee that the Iraqi gov't won't be requesting the troops to stay. Now with any luck congress and the pres actually stick to their timetable. I wouldn't suggest anyone hold their breath about that happening.

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is evaluating whether to keep troops in Iraq beyond the planned withdrawal date, a decision that would extend an unpopular war that the American public expected to end this year.

The Status of Forces Agreement signed by Iraq and the United States during the Bush administration says all U.S. troops must leave Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011. But the contract also leaves the door open to further negotiations that would delay withdrawal.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said members of the Iraqi government have indicated they are "very open to a continuing presence" by the United States.

"And so the [Iraqi] politicians, I think, the leaders understand the need for this kind of help, but no one wants to be the first one there supporting it," added Gates, acknowledging such a decision will face resistance in Iraq (not to mention in the United States, where just 33 percent of the public now supports the war).

Pentagon spokesperson Elizabeth Robbins confirmed to The Huffington Post that U.S. forces could stay beyond 2011 to help the Iraqi Security Forces fill the "gaps" in their operations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/iraq-withdrawal-2011-delay_n_860188.html

Tens of thousands of Iraqis have taken to the streets of the capital Baghdad to protest the presence of US troops in the war-torn country.

Shouting anti-US slogans and calling for unity among Shias and Sunnis in Iraq, the Iraqi demonstrators on Saturday urged the “immediate withdrawal of US troops” from the war-wrecked country, a Press TV correspondent reported.

The protest came after US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Thursday that the United States would maintain troops in Iraq beyond the agreed 2011 final withdrawal date if Iraq's government asked for extra help.

Prominent Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr requested on Saturday that his supporters resume their resistance against American troops if the forces do not leave the Middle Eastern country by the end of the year.

"If the Americans don't leave Iraq on time, we will increase the resistance and restart the activities of the Mahdi Army," Sadr said in a statement read by a spokesman to thousands of Iraqi demonstrators in Baghdad on the same day.

Iraqi government spokesman Ali Al-Dabbagh also said on Friday that Baghdad does not want the United States to keep its troops in the war-torn country beyond 2011.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173838.html

Odd the first one was dated May 11th, the second is April 9th, but I'm not gonna bother finding earlier sources to make the chronology match up

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palak United States. Sep 02 2011 19:39. Posts 4601

The leaking of the data without the whistle blowers names redacted is really fucking bad.

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whamm! Albania. Sep 02 2011 19:39. Posts 11625

cliffs? Baal and Palak tag-teaming a thread is too much to read for a guy like me

Baalim Mexico. Sep 02 2011 19:49. Posts 34246

you sound like a politician more and more to me palak "oh i hope Bradley Manning get a trial... bad situation", WTF, acknowledge that your president is knowingly keeping prisoner a hero whistle blower, this is fucking awful and people's head should roll for it, not just say "oh... i hope it is resolved soon".

whamm, cliffnotes is on OP

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Baalim Mexico. Sep 02 2011 19:54. Posts 34246

Semi relevant to thread:

http://world911truth.org/911-10th-ann...media-to-leave-us-and-uk-in-the-dust/

on the anniversary of 9/11 many european TV networks will give a big amount of time with documentaries and discussions about the "truth", especially Building 7, this will be the biggest air time the demolition theory will get, so far.

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whamm! Albania. Sep 02 2011 20:43. Posts 11625

I used to think wikileaks was doing more harm than good. But now that governments are really getting out of control and everything is just turning to complete shit, I think this thing must exist to at least have some form of truth out there. Honestly people who are in those leaks should start explaining their actions instead of simply just going after the guys responsible for exposing them.
Also +1 to 911 conspiracy theories, I can't believe how a lot of smart people simply dismiss it to be BS.

Last edit: 02/09/2011 20:53

Baalim Mexico. Sep 02 2011 20:46. Posts 34246

Why would strongly immoral people suddenly be moral?, they will obviously prosecute the ones who are exposing them with all their force.

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palak United States. Sep 02 2011 21:27. Posts 4601

On September 02 2011 18:49 Baalim wrote:
you sound like a politician more and more to me palak "oh i hope Bradley Manning get a trial... bad situation", WTF, acknowledge that your president is knowingly keeping prisoner a hero whistle blower, this is fucking awful and people's head should roll for it, not just say "oh... i hope it is resolved soon".

whamm, cliffnotes is on OP

By contract he signed with the army he committed espionage which is punishable by death. But everyone deserves a trial and due to the content of some of his leaks he deserves to get a presidential pardon.

Edit: @whamm...ppl dismiss 9/11 conspiracy theories as bs because they r total and complete bs

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Last edit: 02/09/2011 22:24

PuertoRican United States. Sep 02 2011 22:29. Posts 13041

Kewl thread.

I like update news stuff like this since it gets to the point and saves me the time of reading something that might be boring.

Hopefully people will keep posting assorted news and updates they hear/read about, that way this turns into a Twitter type thread full of updates.

Lazy posters suck.

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Wreckognize . Sep 03 2011 00:55. Posts 1263

As an ex US soldier I find the handcuffing and executing thing completely ridiculous..? I have never met a company commander that would allow that to happen. Bizarre.

Last edit: 03/09/2011 00:56

palak United States. Sep 03 2011 01:52. Posts 4601

US was keen on preserving India Pakistan truce.
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NEW DELHI: Terming the ceasefire between India and Pakistan in Held Jammu & Kashmir as an important achievement, classified United States documents released by Wikileaks revealed that Washington was keen on ‘preserving’ the truce, The Economic Times reported on Friday.

In a 2005 cable to US State Department under the heading ‘preserving the LoC ceasefire’, then Ambassador to India David C Mulford urged Bush Administration to issue a statement to support the truce announced by New Delhi & Islamabad on November 24, 2003.

“We urge the Department to issue a firm statement supporting the ceasefire; reiterating our unequivocal opposition to cross-border terrorist infiltration; condemning the recent shelling and reaffirming our support for the Composite Dialogue process,” Mulford said in the cable sent in January 2005. The cable is one of 138,887 released by Wikileaks on August 30.

“The LoC ceasefire is one of the most important achievements in the slow but steady Indo-Pak rapproachment process that began in mid-2003 with former PM Vajpayee’s ‘Hand of Friendship’ speech, but without US engagement that accomplishment could soon founder,” Mulford reported.

He appreciated response of New Delhi & Islamabad in the aftermath of two ceasefire violations in three days in January 2005 terming it as “measured” and “serious”.

“Despite shelling of Indian side of LoC twice in three days (January 18 & 20), both governments have responded in a measured and serious manner, conscious that 14 months of silence along the LOC has come to symbolize de-escalation of Indo- Pak conflict, while providing tens of thousands of Kashmiris the longest respite from daily shelling since the 1999 Kargil War,” he added.

“The ceasefire… has fuelled hopes for broader progress in military CBMs. These instances of shelling, if they do not stop, could spill over into Composite Dialogue and negatively affect broad sense of goodwill that exists in India for fixing relations with Pakistan,” Mulford said.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/02/us-was...g-india-pakistan-truce-wikileaks.html

WikiLeaks: India, Pakistan reached 'back channel' deal on Kashmir
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/in...eal-WikiLeaks/articleshow/9841701.cms

WikiLeaks: MPAA behind Aussie ISP lawsuit
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/ne...isp-lawsuit-but-dont-tell-anybody.ars

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D_smart_S Bulgaria. Sep 03 2011 03:45. Posts 688

On September 02 2011 19:43 whamm! wrote:
I used to think wikileaks was doing more harm than good. But now that governments are really getting out of control and everything is just turning to complete shit, I think this thing must exist to at least have some form of truth out there. Honestly people who are in those leaks should start explaining their actions instead of simply just going after the guys responsible for exposing them.
Also +1 to 911 conspiracy theories, I can't believe how a lot of smart people simply dismiss it to be BS.

Wikileaks are there for a reason. As usual, CIA created a controlled opposition for several reasons. First of all, to get people's attention away from 9/11. That's why Assange is like "9/11 truthers annoy me". This doesn't mean the documents they declassify are fake. They aren't, but they aren't the most important thing to be discussed. Secondly, having the central document-declassifying opposition, they can get to whisleblowers who are ready to speak the truth to Wikileaks without knowing what is their role. I personally believe that there is a chance some big event happens this 9/11 to enhance the fear in the public and stir attention away from 9/11/01. Maybe New York, I dunno. But some strange things are going on lately and seems like agencies are preparing for a humongous disaster. All kinds of exersices going on and we all know( actually a few) that they come true somehow ( 7/7, 9/11, Madrid). The thing is that the powers that be have already shot enough bullets. They know they can't fool the public forever and just attack country after country. Money is low too. Obama's ratings are plunging. Just like Bush's were before 9/11. They need something very very big to start a major conflict either in Israel, USA or the Middle East. Probably with the cost of many lives. And to make things worse, the major fault lines on the East and West Coast of USA are going wild and I expect a big earthquake soon. Shit is scary in the USA today.

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech

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Zep United States. Sep 03 2011 05:28. Posts 2292

On September 03 2011 02:45 D_smart_S wrote:

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On September 02 2011 19:43 whamm! wrote:
I used to think wikileaks was doing more harm than good. But now that governments are really getting out of control and everything is just turning to complete shit, I think this thing must exist to at least have some form of truth out there. Honestly people who are in those leaks should start explaining their actions instead of simply just going after the guys responsible for exposing them.
Also +1 to 911 conspiracy theories, I can't believe how a lot of smart people simply dismiss it to be BS.

Wikileaks are there for a reason. As usual, CIA created a controlled opposition for several reasons. First of all, to get people's attention away from 9/11. That's why Assange is like "9/11 truthers annoy me". This doesn't mean the documents they declassify are fake. They aren't, but they aren't the most important thing to be discussed. Secondly, having the central document-declassifying opposition, they can get to whisleblowers who are ready to speak the truth to Wikileaks without knowing what is their role. I personally believe that there is a chance some big event happens this 9/11 to enhance the fear in the public and stir attention away from 9/11/01. Maybe New York, I dunno. But some strange things are going on lately and seems like agencies are preparing for a humongous disaster. All kinds of exersices going on and we all know( actually a few) that they come true somehow ( 7/7, 9/11, Madrid). The thing is that the powers that be have already shot enough bullets. They know they can't fool the public forever and just attack country after country. Money is low too. Obama's ratings are plunging. Just like Bush's were before 9/11. They need something very very big to start a major conflict either in Israel, USA or the Middle East. Probably with the cost of many lives. And to make things worse, the major fault lines on the East and West Coast of USA are going wild and I expect a big earthquake soon. Shit is scary in the USA today.

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D_smart_S Bulgaria. Sep 03 2011 05:52. Posts 688

ROFL nice one! :D White pupils wtf

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech

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palak United States. Sep 03 2011 11:11. Posts 4601

assange on 9/11
"I believe in facts about conspiracies,” he says, choosing his words slowly. “Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It’s important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there’s enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news.” What about 9/11? “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-fou...lian-assange-is-annoyed-by-911-truth/

as for the rest of d_smarts rant + Show Spoiler +

It is estimated that around 500,000 earthquakes occur each year, detectable with current instrumentation. About 100,000 of these can be felt.[28][29] Minor earthquakes occur nearly constantly around the world in places like California and Alaska in the U.S., as well as in Guatemala, Chile, Peru, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan, the Azores in Portugal, Turkey, New Zealand, Greece, Italy, and Japan, but earthquakes can occur almost anywhere, including New York City, London, and Australia.[30] Larger earthquakes occur less frequently, the relationship being exponential; for example, roughly ten times as many earthquakes larger than magnitude 4 occur in a particular time period than earthquakes larger than magnitude 5. In the (low seismicity) United Kingdom, for example, it has been calculated that the average recurrences are: an earthquake of 3.7–4.6 every year, an earthquake of 4.7–5.5 every 10 years, and an earthquake of 5.6 or larger every 100 years.[31] This is an example of the Gutenberg-Richter law.

The Messina earthquake and tsunami took as many as 200,000 lives on December 28, 1908 in Sicily and Calabria.[32]
The number of seismic stations has increased from about 350 in 1931 to many thousands today. As a result, many more earthquakes are reported than in the past, but this is because of the vast improvement in instrumentation, rather than an increase in the number of earthquakes. The United States Geological Survey estimates that, since 1900, there have been an average of 18 major earthquakes (magnitude 7.0–7.9) and one great earthquake (magnitude 8.0 or greater) per year, and that this average has been relatively stable.[33] In recent years, the number of major earthquakes per year has decreased, though this is probably a statistical fluctuation rather than a systematic trend. More detailed statistics on the size and frequency of earthquakes is available from the United States Geological Survey (USGS).[34] Alternatively, some scientists suggest that the recent increase in major earthquakes could be explained by a cyclical pattern of periods of intense tectonic activity, interspersed with longer periods of low-intensity. However, accurate recordings of earthquakes only began in the early 1900s, so it is too early to categorically state that this is the case.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Size_and_frequency_of_occurrence just b/c i find it interesting.

Besides the earth quake the rest is just complete conspiracy none sense. I love that conspiracy theorists have such a strong tendency (from my exp, i'm to lazy to find sources for it) to decide that anyone working against them is just another cia operative.

more wikileaks

Nawaz believed 26/11 attackers were Pakistani: WikiLeaks
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail....az-said-26/11-attackers-were-from-Pak

Revelations: Wikileaks and Armenia
Honestly boring and long so i'm jsut gonna link to it instead of posting parts in spoilers.
http://www.ianyanmag.com/2011/09/03/revelations-wikileaks-and-armenia/

WIKILEAKS EXPOSÉ: Bangladesh
Jamaat looks 'further than polls'
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Bent on making Bangladesh a 'genuinely' Islamic state, Jamaat-e-Islami unruffled despite last election debacle and its top leaders being tried for war crimes, the US embassy in Dhaka said.

Chargé d'affaires Nicholas Dean sent the classified diplomatic cable titled—Jamaat-e-Islami: The tortoise not the hare--to Washington on Jan 3, 2010.

Julian Assange's whistle-blower WikiLeaks published the cable along with nearly 150,000 new cables on Aug 30.

The report was based on the discussions with several top-ranking leaders who allegedly opposed Bangladesh's war of independence of Pakistan and the 'Majlish-e-Shura' meeting.

The cable said, "Jamaat's leaders clearly hope that slow and steady wins the race.

"Jamaat-e-Islami Assistant Secretary General Abdur Razzaq told us Jamaat is not concerned with short-term gains like winning the next national election or increasing the number of seats in the national parliament.

"Rather, Jamaat's true aim is to make Bangladesh a genuinely Islamic country," the cabkle added.

Bangladesh's largest religious party won only three seats in the 2008 general elections and five of its leaders including chief Matiur Rahman Nizami and sectretary-general Ali Ahsan Mohammed Mojaheed were arrested in the middle of 2010 on charges of committing crimes against humanity in the 1971 freedom struggle.

Abdul Quader Mollah, the party's assistant secretary general now behind bars, claimed "what differentiated Jamaat from the other two major political parties was that Jamaat had an ideology and the other parties did not.

"According to Jamaat leaders, the Awami League and Bangladesh Nationalist Party formed positions that varied election-by-election depending on what they think would garner votes, while Jamaat focused on its end goal."

Mollah told the American officials an Islamic state was "the only thing that could solve the problems of Bangladesh.

"He said he was not worried about electoral losses or parliamentary intrigue."

Mollah also claimed that Jamaat "had no ties with and received no money, official or unofficial, from the Jamaat-e-Islami parties of other countries".

However, Dean commented, Mollah was "well-versed on Pakistan's Jamaat-e-Islami and claimed its former leader, Maulana Fazur Rehman, as a friend".

Jamaat-e-Islami was founded by Syed Abul A'laa Maududi in 1941 in British India. It was against the creation of Pakistan but after the Partition of India, Maududi went to Pakistan.

He was sentenced to death by hanging in Pakistan for inciting killings of Ahmadiyya community, but he somehow survived.

http://bdnews24.com/details.php?id=204972&cid=43

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

whamm! Albania. Sep 03 2011 11:29. Posts 11625

so what wikileaks is tainted now too? fml the internet is shit

palak United States. Sep 03 2011 11:32. Posts 4601

^what?

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

Surprise United States. Sep 03 2011 16:28. Posts 275

I agree with palak, the mistake made by wikileaks is going to really endanger their mainstream credibility.

the games you own at, end up owning you

D_smart_S Bulgaria. Sep 03 2011 17:38. Posts 688

So I claim that wikileaks are controlled opposition and you (palak) prove me wrong by showing that he says exactly what I said he says? And my claim that wikileaks are stirring attention away from 9/11 you counter by showing examples of many declassifications of documents about the Armenian and Bangladesh governments and other really "important" stuff? And my last claim that the East and West Coast are going wild you argue by copy-pasting me a summary of how many earthquake strike each year..? Palak, your brain amazes/amuses me.

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech

Last edit: 03/09/2011 17:41

palak United States. Sep 03 2011 18:05. Posts 4601

I posted the news articles just to post news for other ppl to keep up, it had nothing to do w/ u d_smart. The only thing that had to do w/ u was the earthquake stuff saying that the increase is due to the increase in sesmic stations and/or cyclical events. I chose to ignore the rest b/c I find it so fucking dumb it's not even worth my time to look up sources. If you want to go on another dumb fuck conspiracy rant about 9/11 and some bullshit assange cia connection go talk to a fucking wall.

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

Loco Canada. Sep 03 2011 18:23. Posts 20963

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount

Last edit: 03/09/2011 18:24

D_smart_S Bulgaria. Sep 03 2011 18:43. Posts 688

ask google.com and youtube.com . If someone knows, maybe he wanted to share.
Where does life come from? hint: quantum mechanics

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech

Last edit: 03/09/2011 18:46

palak United States. Sep 03 2011 19:39. Posts 4601

back to news.

Leaked document reveals IDF Advocate-General informed U.S. of use of unmanned aircraft armed with missiles to kill 16 Palestinians at a Gaza mosque.
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy...o-assassinate-gaza-militants-1.382269

Israel Objects to Palestinian Statehood to Avoid War Crimes Investigations
A WikiLeaks cable reveals drones were used in Gaza, as well as Israel's true reasons for objecting to PA statehood

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A secret State Department diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks has revealed that one of the primary reasons behind Israeli objections to Palestinian statehood is that lack of statehood keeps Palestinian territories outside the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which prosecutes war crimes.

Military Advocate General for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) Avichai Mandelblit met with US Ambassador James B. Cunningham in February of 2010 to discuss investigations into allegations of misconduct during Israel’s attacks on Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009, called Operation Cast Lead.

Mandelblit noted to Cunningham that Palestinian Authority Justice Minister Ali Kashan had requested that ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo investigate alleged Israeli war crimes in the occupied territories since 2002, up to and including Operation Cast Lead. The cable reads: “Mandelblit said several legal opinions had been delivered to Ocampo noting that the ICC had no legal jurisdiction due to the PA’s lack of statehood…”

The dialogue is unusually blunt, since Israel’s public objections to Palestinian statehood at the United Nations, to be voted upon this month, have been mundane and political in nature.

After requesting multiple times that the US “state publicly its position that the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel regarding the Gaza operation,” Mandelblit “warned that PA pursuit of Israel through the ICC would be viewed as war by the GOI [Government of Israel].”

Mandelblit seems to deflect allegations of war crimes, not by denying they took place, but by dismissing them via a legal technicality. Accompanying Mandelblit was IDF Head of the International Law Department Col. Liron Libman who “noted that the ICC was the most dangerous issue for Israel,” reads the cable.

Mandelblit also dismissed the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, called the Goldstone report after its chief judge, which found both Israel and Hamas guilty of war crimes. “The GOI hopes that eventually Goldstone would ‘vanish,’” the cable reads. He also pointed to the IDF’s own investigations of the conflict, but dismissed the possibility of an independent “commission of inquiry to review IDF investigations,” saying “nobody thinks we should do it.”

The cable also reveals the first official recognition found within the WikiLeaks cables of Israel’s use of unmanned drone aircraft in Operation Cast Lead. In a bombing by one of these drones, up to 16 civilians were killed. “A UAV [drone aircraft] shot at two Hamas fighters in front of the mosque,” reads the cable, “and 16 casualties resulted inside the mosque due to an open door through which shrapnel entered during a time of prayer.”

In a cable from a year earlier in February of 2009, Israeli Ambassador Benny Dagan admitted to US official Robert J. Silverman that “The current strategy is to use disproportionate force to respond to attacks by Hizballah and Hamas, noting it may take repeated strikes in both cases.”

Up to 1,400 Palestinians were killed in attacks by Israeli forces during Operation Cast Lead between, while some 5,000 were injured. Hundreds of those killed, up to half by some estimates, were unarmed civilians, including some 300 children, more than 115 women and some 85 men over the age of 50. Billions of dollars of infrastructure damage and numerous incidents of IDF attacks on civilian facilities, among other crimes.

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/02/is...d-to-avoid-war-crimes-investigations/

Malik offered US entire NADRA record: WikiLeaks
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http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/...red-us-entire-nadra-record-wikileaks/

WikiLeaks: U.S. visited jailed American after Cuban lawyer

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/01...ed-jailed-american.html#ixzz1Ww6di3a5

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

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Liquid`Drone Norway. Sep 03 2011 20:27. Posts 3093

sadly israeli warcrimes have never been a secret but their publication have also never caused any real consequences.

lol POKER

DvoBoardRider Afghanistan. Sep 03 2011 20:35. Posts 849

On September 03 2011 04:28 Zep wrote:

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On September 03 2011 02:45 D_smart_S wrote:

On September 02 2011 19:43 whamm! wrote:
I used to think wikileaks was doing more harm than good. But now that governments are really getting out of control and everything is just turning to complete shit, I think this thing must exist to at least have some form of truth out there. Honestly people who are in those leaks should start explaining their actions instead of simply just going after the guys responsible for exposing them.
Also +1 to 911 conspiracy theories, I can't believe how a lot of smart people simply dismiss it to be BS.

Wikileaks are there for a reason. As usual, CIA created a controlled opposition for several reasons. First of all, to get people's attention away from 9/11. That's why Assange is like "9/11 truthers annoy me". This doesn't mean the documents they declassify are fake. They aren't, but they aren't the most important thing to be discussed. Secondly, having the central document-declassifying opposition, they can get to whisleblowers who are ready to speak the truth to Wikileaks without knowing what is their role. I personally believe that there is a chance some big event happens this 9/11 to enhance the fear in the public and stir attention away from 9/11/01. Maybe New York, I dunno. But some strange things are going on lately and seems like agencies are preparing for a humongous disaster. All kinds of exersices going on and we all know( actually a few) that they come true somehow ( 7/7, 9/11, Madrid). The thing is that the powers that be have already shot enough bullets. They know they can't fool the public forever and just attack country after country. Money is low too. Obama's ratings are plunging. Just like Bush's were before 9/11. They need something very very big to start a major conflict either in Israel, USA or the Middle East. Probably with the cost of many lives. And to make things worse, the major fault lines on the East and West Coast of USA are going wild and I expect a big earthquake soon. Shit is scary in the USA today.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

whamm! Albania. Sep 03 2011 20:38. Posts 11625

c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
lol

traxamillion United States. Sep 03 2011 20:46. Posts 10468

palak why did George Bush preemptively pardon himself for war crimes.

read "crossing the rubicon" and let me know what you think

Liquid`Drone Norway. Sep 03 2011 21:07. Posts 3093

On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
lol

THIS is when you realize he's insane?

lol POKER

palak United States. Sep 03 2011 21:58. Posts 4601

On September 03 2011 19:46 traxamillion wrote:
palak why did George Bush preemptively pardon himself for war crimes.

read "crossing the rubicon" and let me know what you think

Because the detaining and torture of foreign nationals which are non combatants under the geneva convention is a war crime and is punishable as such in the US due to a 1996 federal law. However the President lacks the ability to pardon himself from war crimes from the ICC so it's kinda a moot point.

Thirty-two years ago, President Gerald Ford created a political firestorm by pardoning former President Richard Nixon of all crimes he may have committed in Watergate -- and lost his election as a result. Now, President Bush, to avoid a similar public outcry, is quietly trying to pardon himself of any crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of U.S. detainees.

The ''pardon'' is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The ''pardon'' provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and makes the new, weaker terms of the War Crimes Act retroactive to 9/11.

Press accounts of the provision have described it as providing immunity for CIA interrogators. But its terms cover the president and other top officials because the act applies to any U.S. national.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0923-22.htm

If it was ever proven that bush planned 9/11 he would be charged with treason and 3k cases of first degree murder, that's 3001 death penalties. The extra 1 for the war crime of Guantanamo at that point would be useless.

Besides he has been indicted on war crimes in Tokyo already
The Prosecution has presented a formidable Indictment against the Defendant, George Walker Bush, President of the United States and Commander -in-Chief of US military forces for serious crimes ; waging a war of aggression on Afghanistan, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Afghan people, against prisoners of war ; and the use of radioactive depleted uranium weapons of mass destruction , against the people of Afghanistan ; with serious fall out effects on the military personnel of the United States ,UK and other forces deployed ; and on countries, in and around the region .

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TOK403A.html

On September 03 2011 20:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:

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On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
lol

THIS is when you realize he's insane?

i lol'd

i also find this funny...baal on the fema camps thread
This is bullshit and its a shame because of things like these real conspiracies (911) are overlooked.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/966469/FEMA_Camps.html

julian assange on 9/11 conspiracies (as quoted earlier)
“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

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Liquid`Drone Norway. Sep 03 2011 22:37. Posts 3093

On September 03 2011 20:58 palak wrote:
i also find this funny...baal on the fema camps thread
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This is bullshit and its a shame because of things like these real conspiracies (911) are overlooked.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/966469/FEMA_Camps.html

julian assange on 9/11 conspiracies (as quoted earlier)
“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

i lol'd

lol POKER

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D_smart_S Bulgaria. Sep 04 2011 04:16. Posts 688

On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
lol

well research it on your own. I'm saying it as it is, I also believed he was legit because of all the amazing documents released, but came to the conclusion that he is just there for distraction and control of opposition. Ask yourself this, if you wanted to have more power and control of the information flow around the globe wouldn't it be a good idea to create a famous opposition such as Wikileaks instead of let people create one without your control. If you tell people - oh don't worry,you have wikileaks on your side, you don't need to uprise, if something is wrong wikileaks will tell you. And so, people calm down and wait wikileaks to reveal everything, without making an effort. The more control you have over opposition, the better. If you are a 9/11 truther, then ask yourself why they haven't found 1 single thing wrong with 9/11, at least one document released? Baal, ask yourself the same thing - would the guy with all the classified documents have no knowledge of 9/11. And why a person proclaimed to be the HERO of the hour, the biggest truth seeker find absolutely nothing wrong with the official 9/11 story. If he didn't find anything wrong, how did you? There is just way too much material out there, let alone on documents!

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech

blackjacki2 United States. Sep 04 2011 04:23. Posts 2581

On September 03 2011 20:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:

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On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
lol

THIS is when you realize he's insane?

hahaha

Liquid`Drone Norway. Sep 04 2011 05:58. Posts 3093

On September 04 2011 03:16 D_smart_S wrote:

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On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
lol

well research it on your own. I'm saying it as it is, I also believed he was legit because of all the amazing documents released, but came to the conclusion that he is just there for distraction and control of opposition. Ask yourself this, if you wanted to have more power and control of the information flow around the globe wouldn't it be a good idea to create a famous opposition such as Wikileaks instead of let people create one without your control. If you tell people - oh don't worry,you have wikileaks on your side, you don't need to uprise, if something is wrong wikileaks will tell you. And so, people calm down and wait wikileaks to reveal everything, without making an effort. The more control you have over opposition, the better. If you are a 9/11 truther, then ask yourself why they haven't found 1 single thing wrong with 9/11, at least one document released? Baal, ask yourself the same thing - would the guy with all the classified documents have no knowledge of 9/11. And why a person proclaimed to be the HERO of the hour, the biggest truth seeker find absolutely nothing wrong with the official 9/11 story. If he didn't find anything wrong, how did you? There is just way too much material out there, let alone on documents!

isn't it way, way more plausible that wikileaks just hasn't leaked any documents that would please 911 truthers because there just aren't any documents that would? I mean, you could believe my statement right now without having to abandon your idea of 911 being a demolition job.. if it were a demolition job, then thinking they'd document it is just stupid - everyone involved would surely know that if they were caught they'd be duking it out with hitler++ for most detested people through the history of the world..

lol POKER

blackjacki2 United States. Sep 04 2011 06:52. Posts 2581

^ not only have they not leaked things to satisfy 9/11 truthers, they have even leaked the opposite.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...hunts-the-911-gang-that-got-away.html

FBI investigating men linked to 9/11.

palak United States. Sep 04 2011 11:35. Posts 4601

Wikileaks - Top Sudanese Businessman 'Fed Up' With Bashir's Government
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http://allafrica.com/stories/201109040047.html

WikiLeaks: China, Paulson at odds over threat from subprime mortgage crisis
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. - On the eve of the U.S. financial crisis, Bush administration Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was urging more financial innovation on his Chinese counterparts, even as the Chinese were calling for stricter regulation, U.S. diplomatic memos show.
At a December 2007 meeting in Beijing, amid growing turbulence in U.S. financial markets, Chinese officials expressed concern that the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis would harm the Chinese economy, according to a cable obtained by McClatchy Newspapers through WikiLeaks.
China Banking Regulatory Commission Chair Liu Mingkang also urged the U.S. to prevent future crises through enhanced information-sharing and strengthened supervision of financial institutions.
Paulson "underscored U.S efforts to address the subprime crisis and assured his counterparts that the U.S. economy would continue to serve as an engine for growth," according to the cable.
In closing the discussion, part of the U.S.-China Strategic Economic Dialogue, the Treasury secretary encouraged China to move forward quickly with economic reforms.
"If regulation had preceded innovation in the United States , it would have had a negative impact on the development of the U.S. economy," Paulson stressed, according to the cable.
At a meeting a day earlier, Paulson and Shang Fulin, chairman of the China Securities Regulatory Commission, used a basketball analogy to debate the opening of the Chinese financial sector to foreign investors.
"Shang said that domestic financial services firms are like high school athletes, whereas American firms are NBA players," the cable said. "Though he agrees that it would be ideal to invite more NBA players to join the team, detractors say the highly skilled NBA players would relegate the high school students to the bench."
That's why China's financial services sector should be opened gradually to help Chinese firms build their capacity, Shang explained.
Paulson stuck with the analogy in his response, saying foreign firms would hire Chinese staff, developing NBA-level Chinese players, creating more jobs and benefiting the entire country, according to the cable.
"The Chinese government would also set the rules and determine when there was a foul," Paulson explained, according to the cable.

http://www.islandpacket.com/2011/09/0...na-paulson-at-odds.html#ixzz1WzxOBz1f

WikiLeaks: China wanted to invest in U.S. banks during '08 crisis
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During the throes of the 2008 financial crisis, a top Chinese banker told U.S. officials that his company and others in China were interested in taking significant stakes in U.S. banks but expected a backlash from regulators and the American public, according to U.S. diplomatic memos.
The chairman of China Construction Bank, one of the world's largest banks, made the comment during two separate meetings in November 2008, according to State Department cables obtained by McClatchy through WikiLeaks.
At the time, U.S. banks were desperate for capital to absorb losses from mortgage-related investments and rising loan losses. But no Chinese investments were made, apparently because it would have opened the Chinese banks to regulatory scrutiny in the United States.
Still, the memos provide a window into the thinking of Chinese banking officials as their counterparts in the U.S. suffered through an epic financial meltdown. One of the Chinese investment funds eventually won Federal Reserve approval for an investment in New York-based Morgan Stanley, although not until last year.
China Construction Bank gained attention last week when Charlotte-based Bank of America Corp. sold shares it had owned in the Chinese bank in a move to boost the U.S. bank's capital levels. Bank of America will continue to hold a 5 percent stake in China Construction Bank after the sale.
In recent years, U.S. banks and companies have been eager to invest in Chinese companies and banks during a boom in that country's economy. But Chinese investments in U.S. companies have been a flash point for criticism. In 2005, a public and congressional backlash helped scuttle China's government-controlled CNOOC Ltd.'s $18.4 billion bid to buy oil company Unocal Corp.
In 2008, Chinese banks were in position to provide capital to struggling U.S. banks and were interested in working more closely with their American counterparts, said David Bachman, a professor in the Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. But taking a significant stake would have triggered regulatory scrutiny and questions about whether Chinese banks were taking advantage of "fire sale" prices, he said.
"Eventually, they came to the conclusion that it was too much effort or too much bother," Bachman said.
Investments by Chinese banks in their U.S. counterparts have raised concerns among policymakers because many of these financial institutions are controlled by the Chinese government, said Virginia-based banking consultant Bert Ely. The concerns were similar to when the U.S. Treasury invested in banks as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, he said.
"There was fear when the government owns a piece of a bank to what extent does it get misused to advance policy initiatives, rather than being a strictly commercial operation," Ely said.
The State Department does not comment on the authenticity of documents released by WikiLeaks. Last week, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the U.S. "strongly condemns any illegal disclosure of classified information."
Most of the cables examined for this story were unclassified, though some were classified "confidential" or "secret." On Thursday, WikiLeaks published its full cache of cables on its website.
Beijing-based China Construction Bank is the second-biggest bank in China and the world, with a market capitalization of $187 billion

...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/04...a-wanted-to-invest.html#ixzz1Wzxs4bhI

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

Zep United States. Sep 04 2011 14:50. Posts 2292

On September 04 2011 03:16 D_smart_S wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
lol

well research it on your own. I'm saying it as it is, I also believed he was legit because of all the amazing documents released, but came to the conclusion that he is just there for distraction and control of opposition. Ask yourself this, if you wanted to have more power and control of the information flow around the globe wouldn't it be a good idea to create a famous opposition such as Wikileaks instead of let people create one without your control. If you tell people - oh don't worry,you have wikileaks on your side, you don't need to uprise, if something is wrong wikileaks will tell you. And so, people calm down and wait wikileaks to reveal everything, without making an effort. The more control you have over opposition, the better. If you are a 9/11 truther, then ask yourself why they haven't found 1 single thing wrong with 9/11, at least one document released? Baal, ask yourself the same thing - would the guy with all the classified documents have no knowledge of 9/11. And why a person proclaimed to be the HERO of the hour, the biggest truth seeker find absolutely nothing wrong with the official 9/11 story. If he didn't find anything wrong, how did you? There is just way too much material out there, let alone on documents!

My mind is once again blown at the fact that you believe that it's more realistic that wikileaks is a secret government controlled program that hasn't released any info on the real story of 9/11 to keep the people calm and control them than it is that the gov't just didn't have anything to do with 9/11 and therefore there wouldn't be any documents claiming the bullshit you spout.
Also, Like blackjacki said, wikileaks has released info in regards to 9/11.

You're delusional and have a self-profiling prophecy mentality.
No matter what someone points out to you, you just claim it to be another level and cover up by the government. I'm sure after I write this, you'll reiterate your argument that of course when they did release documents in regards to 9/11 it would be in support of the cover up because wikileaks is a cover up of the cover up.
How many levels are you willing to go before you realize that your argument has no rationality nor scientific evidence?

NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.

Last edit: 04/09/2011 15:02

D_smart_S Bulgaria. Sep 04 2011 15:01. Posts 688

you are again trying to come to a conclusion without putting even the slightest bit of effort in researching. You think of 9/11 as a mystery that only the top engineers could solve. I'm not gonna argue on 9/11 cause it has all been said. You just haven't done your homework. Ask one of your friends who is on my side or maybe watch a documentary on the subject.

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech

Last edit: 04/09/2011 15:04

Zep United States. Sep 04 2011 15:34. Posts 2292

On September 04 2011 14:01 D_smart_S wrote:
you are again trying to come to a conclusion without putting even the slightest bit of effort in researching. You think of 9/11 as a mystery that only the top engineers could solve. I'm not gonna argue on 9/11 cause it has all been said. You just haven't done your homework. Ask one of your friends who is on my side or maybe watch a documentary on the subject.

ROFLMAO.
LP bans MDJ for joking about Mexicans yet they let this shit slide. Unbelievable. I'm not even going to dignify why I shouldn't respond to your lies and false accusations.

NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.

Last edit: 04/09/2011 19:34

devon06atX Canada. Sep 04 2011 19:05. Posts 5458

Can a mod please give d_smart a custom icon already?

It's not normally warranted and I completely respect individual thinkers/analysers and so on.. but man. This guy is either the biggest fucking genius I've ever encountered or an utter moron.

Perhaps a bum icon would suffice. Or a harry potter pic. I don't fucking know

terrybunny19240 United States. Sep 04 2011 20:23. Posts 13829

plz give him a wizard icon or some kind of sweet looking tinfoil hat icon

I'm partial to a silhouette of a wizard

Last edit: 04/09/2011 20:25

taco Iceland. Sep 04 2011 20:40. Posts 1793

On September 04 2011 18:05 devon06atX wrote:
Can a mod please give d_smart a custom icon already?

It's not normally warranted and I completely respect individual thinkers/analysers and so on.. but man. This guy is either the biggest fucking genius I've ever encountered or an utter moron.

Perhaps a bum icon would suffice. Or a harry potter pic. I don't fucking know

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Zep United States. Sep 04 2011 20:49. Posts 2292

IMO

NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.

Balzamon Sweden. Sep 04 2011 22:36. Posts 2868

So i just figured out that if you divide 9 with 11 it comes to 0.818181818...

Saying 18 nom is a very bad curse in korean, as brood war players should know.

Can this really be a coincidence? I think not!

Loco Canada. Sep 05 2011 06:03. Posts 20963

i nominate

fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount

bigredhoss Cook Islands. Sep 05 2011 13:17. Posts 8648

edit-just realized this thread is about d smart being awesome, don't want to derail ;o

Truck-Crash Life

Last edit: 05/09/2011 13:28

Zep United States. Sep 05 2011 14:51. Posts 2292

On September 05 2011 05:03 Loco wrote:
i nominate

winner!

NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.

D_smart_S Bulgaria. Sep 05 2011 15:29. Posts 688

much better than a fucking duck

Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech

Baalim Mexico. Sep 05 2011 15:33. Posts 34246

On September 02 2011 23:55 Wreckognize wrote:
As an ex US soldier I find the handcuffing and executing thing completely ridiculous..? I have never met a company commander that would allow that to happen. Bizarre.

What do you mean with ridiculous... like "unbelievably bad" or like "i still refuse it even if i was given evidence of it happening"?

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online

Baalim Mexico. Sep 05 2011 15:39. Posts 34246

Wikileaks is not controlled opposition wtf, there is no reason nor evidence to reach that ludicrous conclusion

Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online

NeillyJQ United States. Sep 05 2011 15:40. Posts 8947

NeillyAA @ NL200+ HU

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/

Spitfiree Bulgaria. Sep 05 2011 15:48. Posts 9634

what the... the main idea of the thread wasnt to argue about bullshit .. wikileaks being controlled or not doesnt change the fact that the intel they release is legit it only changes the reasons behind it

Zep United States. Sep 05 2011 16:40. Posts 2292

On September 05 2011 14:40 NeillyJQ wrote:
NeillyAA @ NL200+ HU

LOL A+

NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.

palak United States. Sep 05 2011 17:28. Posts 4601

On September 05 2011 14:33 Baalim wrote:

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On September 02 2011 23:55 Wreckognize wrote:
As an ex US soldier I find the handcuffing and executing thing completely ridiculous..? I have never met a company commander that would allow that to happen. Bizarre.

What do you mean with ridiculous... like "unbelievably bad" or like "i still refuse it even if i was given evidence of it happening"?

Goin to assume he means "i know the military and find this very hard to believe due to the acts nature and i require more evidence of the event in order to be sure it occurred"

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

Zep United States. Nov 19 2011 15:16. Posts 2292

Maybe the most damning wikileaks released to date (And you won't see it on the news)

Wikileaks: Libya foreign policy was for sale.

I think it's one thing for backroom meetings to have occurred and I would almost be shocked if something like this wasn't discussed among high ranking members of the US government. I think it's quite another thing for documents to be leaked proving this was the exact position of the US in Libya.

Read it and weep.

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palak United States. Nov 19 2011 17:26. Posts 4601

1. That's not damning at all, businessmen wanted to make money out of a violent situation. Full letter that got disclosed here http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...136&type=1&permPage=1

2., It's in the news in the us... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/wor...ed-to-aid-qaddafi-documents-show.html
full article+ Show Spoiler +

WASHINGTON — To a colorful group of Americans — the Washington terrorism expert, the veteran C.I.A. officer, the Republican operative, the Kansas City lawyer — the Libyan gambit last March looked like a rare business opportunity.

Even as NATO bombed Libya, the Americans offered to make Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi their client — and charge him a hefty consulting fee. Their price: a $10 million retainer before beginning negotiations with Colonel Qaddafi’s representatives.

“The fees and payments set forth in this contract are MINIMUM NON-REFUNDABLE FEES,” said the draft contract, with capital letters for emphasis. “The fees are an inducement for the ATTORNEYS AND ADVISORS to take the case and nothing else.”

Neil C. Livingstone, 65, the terrorism specialist and consultant, said he helped put together the deal after hearing that one of Colonel Qaddafi’s sons, Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi, was interested in an exit strategy for the family. But he and his partners were not going to work for free, Mr. Livingstone said.

“We were not an eleemosynary organization,” he said.

Mr. Livingstone, a television commentator and prolific author who moved home to Montana this year to try a run for governor, said he had long been a vocal critic of Colonel Qaddafi and was briefly jailed by his government on a visit to Libya in the 1970s. The goal of the consulting deal, he insisted, was not to save Colonel Qaddafi but to prevent a bloodbath in Libya by creating a quick way out for the ruler and his family.

“The idea was to find them an Arabic-speaking sanctuary and let them keep some money, in return for getting out,” he said. The consultants promised to help free billions of dollars in blocked Libyan assets by steering the government into compliance with United Nations resolutions.

But the Americans did not get the Treasury Department license they needed to accept payment from Libya, which was then subject to sanctions. Colonel Qaddafi was ousted from Tripoli in August by rebel forces backed by NATO airstrikes, and was captured and killed Oct. 20.

Now the confidential documents describing the proposed deal have surfaced on the Internet, offering a glimpse of how some saw lucrative possibilities in the power struggle that would end Colonel Qaddafi’s erratic reign. A Facebook page called WikiLeaks Libya has made public scores of documents apparently found in Libyan government offices after the Qaddafi government fell.

The papers contained a shock for the Americans: a three-page letter addressed to Colonel Qaddafi on April 17 by another partner in the proposed deal, a Belgian named Dirk Borgers. Rather than suggesting a way out of power, Mr. Borgers offered the Libyan dictator the lobbying services of what he called the “American Action Group” to outmaneuver the rebels and win United States government support.

Noting that the rebels’ Transitional National Council was gaining control of Libyan assets abroad, and attaching a registration form showing that the rebels had engaged their own lobbyists, Mr. Borgers said it was time for Colonel Qaddafi to fight back with his own Washington representatives.

“Our group of Libyan sympathizers is extremely worried about this and we would like to help to block the actions of your international enemies and to support a normal working relationship with the United States Government,” the letter said. “Therefore it is absolutely required to speak officially and with one strong voice with the American Government.”

Mr. Borgers ended the letter with the words “Your Obedient Servants,” signing his own name and adding those of the four Americans.

The letter is especially awkward for Mr. Livingstone — described by Mr. Borgers in the proposal as the “recognized best American anti-terrorism expert” — who closed his Washington consulting firm in April to plan his campaign for governor.

But Mr. Livingstone said that he had never seen the letter before this week and that it distorted his intentions. “That doesn’t reflect our view at all,” Mr. Livingstone said. “Our whole goal was to get the Qaddafis out of there as fast as possible.”

Another member of the proposed American team, Marty Martin, a former Central Intelligence Agency officer who led the agency’s Qaeda department from 2002 to 2004, said he, too, was chagrined to see Mr. Borgers’s letter this week.

“We were not there to be lobbyists for Qaddafi,” said Mr. Martin, who retired from the C.I.A. in 2007. “I was not told anything about that letter.”

The other American partners were Neil S. Alpert, who had worked for the Republican National Committee and the pro-Israel lobbying group the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and Randell K. Wood, a Kansas City, Mo., lawyer who has represented Libyan officials and organizations since the 1980s. (Neither Mr. Alpert nor Mr. Wood responded to requests for comment.)

Mr. Borgers, reached at his home in Belgium, dismissed his former partners’ complaints about his letter to Colonel Qaddafi — though he said he “might not” have shared its text with them.

“Let’s not argue about semantics,” he said. He was in Tripoli at the time, he said, watching the chaos and violence escalate, and he thought Colonel Qaddafi should remain in power at least until an election could be held.

Mr. Borgers said he, too, wanted to “stop the butchering,” but he offered a positive spin on Colonel Qaddafi’s record.

“I don’t think he was that brutal a dictator,” Mr. Borgers said. “He created a country out of nothing over 42 years. He created a very good lifestyle for the people.”

Of the $10 million fee the group sought, Mr. Borgers said, “The aim was not to make money.” On the other hand, he added, “If you want to put up a serious operation in Washington, I think you need at least $10 million.”

Mr. Borgers, who said he was a project engineer who had worked on infrastructure projects in many countries, was told by Libyan officials a week after sending his letter to Colonel Qaddafi that the proposal had been rejected. He said he had no idea if the leader saw it.

The documents on the aborted deal are not the first with an American angle to surface in post-Qaddafi Libya. In September, journalists and human rights advocates made public correspondence between Libyan intelligence and the C.I.A., including discussion of the rendition of terrorist suspects to Libya.

Seven months after the $10 million deal that was not to be, Colonel Qaddafi is dead. His son Seif is believed to be in hiding, possibly in Mali or Niger. Mr. Livingstone is focused on the problems of Montana, not Libya. Mr. Borgers, 68, said he was “trying to retire,” though he said he just might entertain international business opportunities if they arose.

But the wheels of the Washington bureaucracy grind slowly. A Treasury Department spokeswoman, who would speak of confidential licensing matters only on the condition of anonymity, said the group’s application to accept millions from the vanquished Qaddafi government “is still pending.”

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Zep United States. Nov 19 2011 18:34. Posts 2292

On November 19 2011 16:26 palak wrote:
1. That's not damning at all, businessmen wanted to make money out of a violent situation...

Thanks for better and more information palak, but how the hell does this statement you made make any reasonable and rational sense? I'm not ignorant as to how the world runs, and I would have expected someone to attempt to exploit Gaddafi, but when documents surface proving such a policy, I think nonchalantly blowing it off as another day at work is truly sad. Also, I don't think the majority of Americans understand that foreign policy is heavily dictated by what our economic gains are, so when something comes up like this, I think it's not that big of news to people paying attention, but to the average dumbass American, how is this not a huge fucking deal?

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palak United States. Nov 19 2011 20:06. Posts 4601

You do realize it wasn't the US gov't in the contract...it was a group of ppl claiming without any proof that they could influence decisions..judging by how their treasury proposal never got approval it seems to me they talked a big game and couldn't actually back it up for shit. There's "an american politician" he could be mayor of fuckoffsville for all we know. People making claims about shit and wanting money is nothing new so I'm not surprised nor does it matter to me. I'm more concerned about the fact that it came out in september that libya was one of the countries we were shipping people off to in order to evade US torture laws. The fact the US still uses torture and secret prisons upsets me far more then a small group of ppl claiming they can do something w/o any proof in order to try and make some money.

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

Zep United States. Nov 19 2011 20:17. Posts 2292

On November 19 2011 19:06 palak wrote:
I'm more concerned about the fact that it came out in september that libya was one of the countries we were shipping people off to in order to evade US torture laws. The fact the US still uses torture and secret prisons upsets me far more then a small group of ppl claiming they can do something w/o any proof in order to try and make some money.

Good point.
But I don't think this is just a private group attempting to do business. I'll check up with where the documentation was found and shit like that, but I seriously doubt 0 political strings were pulled in an offer like this.

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Zep United States. Jan 23 2012 19:49. Posts 2292

Former CIA officer charged in alleged leaks

Fuck NObama. In the previous 40 years before NObama, 3 cases were brought to court by the US government in regards to intelligence leaks to the media. This is the 6th case under NObama. Guy hates freedom. That's all that can be said. As nolan said, US = military dictatorship.

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palak United States. Jan 23 2012 21:20. Posts 4601

^page blocked for me after viewing it once due to needing to register.
same story different source
WASHINGTON—Federal authorities arrested a former Central Intelligence Agency officer and charged him with leaking to reporters the identity of agency employees as well as classified information about an interrogation program.

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John Kiriakou was charged with leaking CIA secrets to a newspaper.

John Kiriakou served 14 years as a CIA officer and later became a commentator who described in a 2007 television interview the use of waterboarding, a technique intended to simulate drowning, in the interrogation of alleged al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., alleges that Mr. Kiriakou was the source of classified information provided to reporters, including the identity of two CIA officers and of an investigative technique used to capture Mr. Zubaydah in Pakistan in 2002.

Mr. Kiriakou, 47 years old, is charged with violating the Espionage Act and the Intelligence Identities Protection Act for allegedly disclosing the identity of a covert officer. He also is charged with lying to CIA employees who reviewed a book proposal he wrote, and of lying to FBI agents when questioned about the leaks.

Through his attorney, Plato Cacheris, Mr. Kiriakou waived his right to a preliminary hearing and the judge found cause for his arrest. Under an agreement between the defense and prosecutors, the judge ordered Mr. Kiriakou released under a $250,000 bond. Mr. Cacheris didn't respond to a request for comment.

A 2008 New York Times article identified a former CIA interrogator who was involved in a secret CIA detention and interrogations program used after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to hunt al Qaeda suspects.

The story also described an electronic scanning technique used in the hunt for Mr. Zubaydah. The FBI affidavit said Mr. Kiriakou provided classified information to a reporter that was used in the story. The New York Times story quotes Mr. Kiriakou by name but also cites other, unnamed intelligence officials. A spokesman for the Times declined to comment.

The reporter provided the information to an investigator working for defense attorneys representing so-called high-value detainees at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the FBI affidavit says. The attorneys filed documents containing names of CIA employees and contractors, and classified details about their detention, the affidavit says, leading to the probe of Mr. Kiriakou.

Months later, 32 pages of photographs of employees of the CIA, FBI and contractors were found in the prison cells of high-value Guantanamo detainees, the FBI affidavit says.

The Justice Department assigned U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in Chicago to investigate the leak, which at first focused on whether defense attorneys violated the law by providing the photographs to the detainees. In bringing charges against Mr. Kiriakou on Monday, the Justice Department said the attorneys didn't violate the law. No charges were brought against the reporters.

David Petraeus, the CIA director, cautioned employees in a message to guard agency secrets. "Unauthorized disclosures of any sort—including information concerning the identities of other agency officers—betray the public trust, our country and our colleagues," he wrote.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203718504577179070432000002.html

Not sure what the actual charges are as far as what info he leaked which they r charging him for vs leaks they may be letting slide vs ambiguous 'all leaks' which is what i'm guessing it is. Frustrating >.<
Leaks of misc things which only put ppl in harm like Valerie Plame are things ppl should get sentenced to jail for. Leaking things like 'america is torturing suspects against the geneva convention' shouldn't get punishment. But no organization would every allow such a system.

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium

Baalim Mexico. Jan 23 2012 22:32. Posts 34246

On January 23 2012 18:49 Zep wrote:
Former CIA officer charged in alleged leaks

Fuck NObama. In the previous 40 years before NObama, 3 cases were brought to court by the US government in regards to intelligence leaks to the media. This is the 6th case under NObama. Guy hates freedom. That's all that can be said. As nolan said, US = military dictatorship.

funny "Guy hates freedom" post, it makes me feel like even if you dont believe obama you still see the world under that ridiculous "freedom" scope.

It has never been about loving or hating freedom, its about human nature, greed, power and control.

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Zep United States. Mar 01 2012 17:45. Posts 2292

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