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Zep   United States. Sep 04 2011 14:50. Posts 2292 | | |
| On September 04 2011 03:16 D_smart_S wrote:
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On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
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well research it on your own. I'm saying it as it is, I also believed he was legit because of all the amazing documents released, but came to the conclusion that he is just there for distraction and control of opposition. Ask yourself this, if you wanted to have more power and control of the information flow around the globe wouldn't it be a good idea to create a famous opposition such as Wikileaks instead of let people create one without your control. If you tell people - oh don't worry,you have wikileaks on your side, you don't need to uprise, if something is wrong wikileaks will tell you. And so, people calm down and wait wikileaks to reveal everything, without making an effort. The more control you have over opposition, the better. If you are a 9/11 truther, then ask yourself why they haven't found 1 single thing wrong with 9/11, at least one document released? Baal, ask yourself the same thing - would the guy with all the classified documents have no knowledge of 9/11. And why a person proclaimed to be the HERO of the hour, the biggest truth seeker find absolutely nothing wrong with the official 9/11 story. If he didn't find anything wrong, how did you? There is just way too much material out there, let alone on documents!
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My mind is once again blown at the fact that you believe that it's more realistic that wikileaks is a secret government controlled program that hasn't released any info on the real story of 9/11 to keep the people calm and control them than it is that the gov't just didn't have anything to do with 9/11 and therefore there wouldn't be any documents claiming the bullshit you spout.
Also, Like blackjacki said, wikileaks has released info in regards to 9/11.
You're delusional and have a self-profiling prophecy mentality.
No matter what someone points out to you, you just claim it to be another level and cover up by the government. I'm sure after I write this, you'll reiterate your argument that of course when they did release documents in regards to 9/11 it would be in support of the cover up because wikileaks is a cover up of the cover up.
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D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Sep 04 2011 15:01. Posts 688 | | |
you are again trying to come to a conclusion without putting even the slightest bit of effort in researching. You think of 9/11 as a mystery that only the top engineers could solve. I'm not gonna argue on 9/11 cause it has all been said. You just haven't done your homework. Ask one of your friends who is on my side or maybe watch a documentary on the subject. |
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Zep   United States. Sep 04 2011 15:34. Posts 2292 | | |
| On September 04 2011 14:01 D_smart_S wrote:
you are again trying to come to a conclusion without putting even the slightest bit of effort in researching. You think of 9/11 as a mystery that only the top engineers could solve. I'm not gonna argue on 9/11 cause it has all been said. You just haven't done your homework. Ask one of your friends who is on my side or maybe watch a documentary on the subject. |
ROFLMAO.
LP bans MDJ for joking about Mexicans yet they let this shit slide. Unbelievable. I'm not even going to dignify why I shouldn't respond to your lies and false accusations. |
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devon06atX   Canada. Sep 04 2011 19:05. Posts 5458 | | |
Can a mod please give d_smart a custom icon already?
It's not normally warranted and I completely respect individual thinkers/analysers and so on.. but man. This guy is either the biggest fucking genius I've ever encountered or an utter moron.
Perhaps a bum icon would suffice. Or a harry potter pic. I don't fucking know |
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plz give him a wizard icon or some kind of sweet looking tinfoil hat icon
I'm partial to a silhouette of a wizard |
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taco   Iceland. Sep 04 2011 20:40. Posts 1793 | | |
| On September 04 2011 18:05 devon06atX wrote:
Can a mod please give d_smart a custom icon already?
It's not normally warranted and I completely respect individual thinkers/analysers and so on.. but man. This guy is either the biggest fucking genius I've ever encountered or an utter moron.
Perhaps a bum icon would suffice. Or a harry potter pic. I don't fucking know |
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Zep   United States. Sep 04 2011 20:49. Posts 2292 | | |
IMO
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Balzamon   Sweden. Sep 04 2011 22:36. Posts 2868 | | |
So i just figured out that if you divide 9 with 11 it comes to 0.818181818...
Saying 18 nom is a very bad curse in korean, as brood war players should know.
Can this really be a coincidence? I think not! |
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Loco   Canada. Sep 05 2011 06:03. Posts 20963 | | |
i nominate |
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fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount | |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Sep 05 2011 13:17. Posts 8648 | | |
edit-just realized this thread is about d smart being awesome, don't want to derail ;o |
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Zep   United States. Sep 05 2011 14:51. Posts 2292 | | |
| On September 05 2011 05:03 Loco wrote:
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winner! |
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D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Sep 05 2011 15:29. Posts 688 | | |
much better than a fucking duck |
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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 05 2011 15:33. Posts 34246 | | |
| On September 02 2011 23:55 Wreckognize wrote:
As an ex US soldier I find the handcuffing and executing thing completely ridiculous..? I have never met a company commander that would allow that to happen. Bizarre. |
What do you mean with ridiculous... like "unbelievably bad" or like "i still refuse it even if i was given evidence of it happening"? |
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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 05 2011 15:39. Posts 34246 | | |
Wikileaks is not controlled opposition wtf, there is no reason nor evidence to reach that ludicrous conclusion |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Sep 05 2011 15:40. Posts 8947 | | |
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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/ | |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 05 2011 15:48. Posts 9634 | | |
what the... the main idea of the thread wasnt to argue about bullshit .. wikileaks being controlled or not doesnt change the fact that the intel they release is legit it only changes the reasons behind it |
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Zep   United States. Sep 05 2011 16:40. Posts 2292 | | |
| On September 05 2011 14:40 NeillyJQ wrote:
NeillyAA @ NL200+ HU |
LOL A+ |
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palak   United States. Sep 05 2011 17:28. Posts 4601 | | |
| On September 05 2011 14:33 Baalim wrote:
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On September 02 2011 23:55 Wreckognize wrote:
As an ex US soldier I find the handcuffing and executing thing completely ridiculous..? I have never met a company commander that would allow that to happen. Bizarre. |
What do you mean with ridiculous... like "unbelievably bad" or like "i still refuse it even if i was given evidence of it happening"?
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Goin to assume he means "i know the military and find this very hard to believe due to the acts nature and i require more evidence of the event in order to be sure it occurred" |
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Zep   United States. Nov 19 2011 15:16. Posts 2292 | | |
Maybe the most damning wikileaks released to date (And you won't see it on the news)
Wikileaks: Libya foreign policy was for sale.
I think it's one thing for backroom meetings to have occurred and I would almost be shocked if something like this wasn't discussed among high ranking members of the US government. I think it's quite another thing for documents to be leaked proving this was the exact position of the US in Libya.
Read it and weep. |
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palak   United States. Nov 19 2011 17:26. Posts 4601 | | |
1. That's not damning at all, businessmen wanted to make money out of a violent situation. Full letter that got disclosed here http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...136&type=1&permPage=1
2., It's in the news in the us... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/wor...ed-to-aid-qaddafi-documents-show.html
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WASHINGTON — To a colorful group of Americans — the Washington terrorism expert, the veteran C.I.A. officer, the Republican operative, the Kansas City lawyer — the Libyan gambit last March looked like a rare business opportunity.
Even as NATO bombed Libya, the Americans offered to make Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi their client — and charge him a hefty consulting fee. Their price: a $10 million retainer before beginning negotiations with Colonel Qaddafi’s representatives.
“The fees and payments set forth in this contract are MINIMUM NON-REFUNDABLE FEES,” said the draft contract, with capital letters for emphasis. “The fees are an inducement for the ATTORNEYS AND ADVISORS to take the case and nothing else.”
Neil C. Livingstone, 65, the terrorism specialist and consultant, said he helped put together the deal after hearing that one of Colonel Qaddafi’s sons, Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi, was interested in an exit strategy for the family. But he and his partners were not going to work for free, Mr. Livingstone said.
“We were not an eleemosynary organization,” he said.
Mr. Livingstone, a television commentator and prolific author who moved home to Montana this year to try a run for governor, said he had long been a vocal critic of Colonel Qaddafi and was briefly jailed by his government on a visit to Libya in the 1970s. The goal of the consulting deal, he insisted, was not to save Colonel Qaddafi but to prevent a bloodbath in Libya by creating a quick way out for the ruler and his family.
“The idea was to find them an Arabic-speaking sanctuary and let them keep some money, in return for getting out,” he said. The consultants promised to help free billions of dollars in blocked Libyan assets by steering the government into compliance with United Nations resolutions.
But the Americans did not get the Treasury Department license they needed to accept payment from Libya, which was then subject to sanctions. Colonel Qaddafi was ousted from Tripoli in August by rebel forces backed by NATO airstrikes, and was captured and killed Oct. 20.
Now the confidential documents describing the proposed deal have surfaced on the Internet, offering a glimpse of how some saw lucrative possibilities in the power struggle that would end Colonel Qaddafi’s erratic reign. A Facebook page called WikiLeaks Libya has made public scores of documents apparently found in Libyan government offices after the Qaddafi government fell.
The papers contained a shock for the Americans: a three-page letter addressed to Colonel Qaddafi on April 17 by another partner in the proposed deal, a Belgian named Dirk Borgers. Rather than suggesting a way out of power, Mr. Borgers offered the Libyan dictator the lobbying services of what he called the “American Action Group” to outmaneuver the rebels and win United States government support.
Noting that the rebels’ Transitional National Council was gaining control of Libyan assets abroad, and attaching a registration form showing that the rebels had engaged their own lobbyists, Mr. Borgers said it was time for Colonel Qaddafi to fight back with his own Washington representatives.
“Our group of Libyan sympathizers is extremely worried about this and we would like to help to block the actions of your international enemies and to support a normal working relationship with the United States Government,” the letter said. “Therefore it is absolutely required to speak officially and with one strong voice with the American Government.”
Mr. Borgers ended the letter with the words “Your Obedient Servants,” signing his own name and adding those of the four Americans.
The letter is especially awkward for Mr. Livingstone — described by Mr. Borgers in the proposal as the “recognized best American anti-terrorism expert” — who closed his Washington consulting firm in April to plan his campaign for governor.
But Mr. Livingstone said that he had never seen the letter before this week and that it distorted his intentions. “That doesn’t reflect our view at all,” Mr. Livingstone said. “Our whole goal was to get the Qaddafis out of there as fast as possible.”
Another member of the proposed American team, Marty Martin, a former Central Intelligence Agency officer who led the agency’s Qaeda department from 2002 to 2004, said he, too, was chagrined to see Mr. Borgers’s letter this week.
“We were not there to be lobbyists for Qaddafi,” said Mr. Martin, who retired from the C.I.A. in 2007. “I was not told anything about that letter.”
The other American partners were Neil S. Alpert, who had worked for the Republican National Committee and the pro-Israel lobbying group the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and Randell K. Wood, a Kansas City, Mo., lawyer who has represented Libyan officials and organizations since the 1980s. (Neither Mr. Alpert nor Mr. Wood responded to requests for comment.)
Mr. Borgers, reached at his home in Belgium, dismissed his former partners’ complaints about his letter to Colonel Qaddafi — though he said he “might not” have shared its text with them.
“Let’s not argue about semantics,” he said. He was in Tripoli at the time, he said, watching the chaos and violence escalate, and he thought Colonel Qaddafi should remain in power at least until an election could be held.
Mr. Borgers said he, too, wanted to “stop the butchering,” but he offered a positive spin on Colonel Qaddafi’s record.
“I don’t think he was that brutal a dictator,” Mr. Borgers said. “He created a country out of nothing over 42 years. He created a very good lifestyle for the people.”
Of the $10 million fee the group sought, Mr. Borgers said, “The aim was not to make money.” On the other hand, he added, “If you want to put up a serious operation in Washington, I think you need at least $10 million.”
Mr. Borgers, who said he was a project engineer who had worked on infrastructure projects in many countries, was told by Libyan officials a week after sending his letter to Colonel Qaddafi that the proposal had been rejected. He said he had no idea if the leader saw it.
The documents on the aborted deal are not the first with an American angle to surface in post-Qaddafi Libya. In September, journalists and human rights advocates made public correspondence between Libyan intelligence and the C.I.A., including discussion of the rendition of terrorist suspects to Libya.
Seven months after the $10 million deal that was not to be, Colonel Qaddafi is dead. His son Seif is believed to be in hiding, possibly in Mali or Niger. Mr. Livingstone is focused on the problems of Montana, not Libya. Mr. Borgers, 68, said he was “trying to retire,” though he said he just might entertain international business opportunities if they arose.
But the wheels of the Washington bureaucracy grind slowly. A Treasury Department spokeswoman, who would speak of confidential licensing matters only on the condition of anonymity, said the group’s application to accept millions from the vanquished Qaddafi government “is still pending.”
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