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whamm!   Albania. Sep 03 2011 11:29. Posts 11625 | | |
so what wikileaks is tainted now too? fml the internet is shit |
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palak   United States. Sep 03 2011 11:32. Posts 4601 | | |
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Surprise   United States. Sep 03 2011 16:28. Posts 275 | | |
I agree with palak, the mistake made by wikileaks is going to really endanger their mainstream credibility. |
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D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Sep 03 2011 17:38. Posts 688 | | |
So I claim that wikileaks are controlled opposition and you (palak) prove me wrong by showing that he says exactly what I said he says? And my claim that wikileaks are stirring attention away from 9/11 you counter by showing examples of many declassifications of documents about the Armenian and Bangladesh governments and other really "important" stuff? And my last claim that the East and West Coast are going wild you argue by copy-pasting me a summary of how many earthquake strike each year..? Palak, your brain amazes/amuses me. |
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palak   United States. Sep 03 2011 18:05. Posts 4601 | | |
I posted the news articles just to post news for other ppl to keep up, it had nothing to do w/ u d_smart. The only thing that had to do w/ u was the earthquake stuff saying that the increase is due to the increase in sesmic stations and/or cyclical events. I chose to ignore the rest b/c I find it so fucking dumb it's not even worth my time to look up sources. If you want to go on another dumb fuck conspiracy rant about 9/11 and some bullshit assange cia connection go talk to a fucking wall. |
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Loco   Canada. Sep 03 2011 18:23. Posts 20963 | | |
| On September 03 2011 02:45 D_smart_S wrote:
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On September 02 2011 19:43 whamm! wrote:
I used to think wikileaks was doing more harm than good. But now that governments are really getting out of control and everything is just turning to complete shit, I think this thing must exist to at least have some form of truth out there. Honestly people who are in those leaks should start explaining their actions instead of simply just going after the guys responsible for exposing them.
Also +1 to 911 conspiracy theories, I can't believe how a lot of smart people simply dismiss it to be BS. |
Wikileaks are there for a reason. As usual, CIA created a controlled opposition for several reasons...
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Not again... not with this too...is there anything that you haven't found was a conspiracy? What about life itself? Where does it come from, d_smart? I'm seriously asking. Are we an experiment for some alien culture or something? |
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fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount | Last edit: 03/09/2011 18:24 |
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D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Sep 03 2011 18:43. Posts 688 | | |
ask google.com and youtube.com . If someone knows, maybe he wanted to share.
Where does life come from? hint: quantum mechanics |
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palak   United States. Sep 03 2011 19:39. Posts 4601 | | |
back to news.
Leaked document reveals IDF Advocate-General informed U.S. of use of unmanned aircraft armed with missiles to kill 16 Palestinians at a Gaza mosque.
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| The IDF uses weaponized unmanned aircraft to assassinate militants, according to a U.S. diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks. The IDF Advocate-General Maj. Gen. Avichai Mandelblit revealed this information to the previous U.S. Ambassador to Israel James Cunningham in a meeting that took place in February 2010.
The details of this conversation, sent from the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to the State Department in Washington, were revealed Thursday when they were published online by WikiLeaks, along with more than 250,000 other diplomatic cables.
Maj. Gen. Mandelblit met with Cunningham in order to update him on the investigations that the IDF conducted into the deaths of civilians during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza in 2008-2009.
One of the incidences of civilians deaths that they two discussed was the IDF attack on a group of Hamas members who were standing next to a mosque in Gaza. 16 Palestinians were killed in that attack, most of whom were inside the mosque at the time.
The summary of the meeting that was sent to Washington stated, "Mandelblit said that the facts were known: A UAV shot at two Hamas fighters in front of the mosque and 16 unintended casualties resulted inside the mosque due to an open door through which shrapnel entered during a time of prayer."
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy...o-assassinate-gaza-militants-1.382269
Israel Objects to Palestinian Statehood to Avoid War Crimes Investigations
A WikiLeaks cable reveals drones were used in Gaza, as well as Israel's true reasons for objecting to PA statehood
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| A secret State Department diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks has revealed that one of the primary reasons behind Israeli objections to Palestinian statehood is that lack of statehood keeps Palestinian territories outside the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which prosecutes war crimes.
Military Advocate General for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) Avichai Mandelblit met with US Ambassador James B. Cunningham in February of 2010 to discuss investigations into allegations of misconduct during Israel’s attacks on Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009, called Operation Cast Lead.
Mandelblit noted to Cunningham that Palestinian Authority Justice Minister Ali Kashan had requested that ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo investigate alleged Israeli war crimes in the occupied territories since 2002, up to and including Operation Cast Lead. The cable reads: “Mandelblit said several legal opinions had been delivered to Ocampo noting that the ICC had no legal jurisdiction due to the PA’s lack of statehood…”
The dialogue is unusually blunt, since Israel’s public objections to Palestinian statehood at the United Nations, to be voted upon this month, have been mundane and political in nature.
After requesting multiple times that the US “state publicly its position that the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel regarding the Gaza operation,” Mandelblit “warned that PA pursuit of Israel through the ICC would be viewed as war by the GOI [Government of Israel].”
Mandelblit seems to deflect allegations of war crimes, not by denying they took place, but by dismissing them via a legal technicality. Accompanying Mandelblit was IDF Head of the International Law Department Col. Liron Libman who “noted that the ICC was the most dangerous issue for Israel,” reads the cable.
Mandelblit also dismissed the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, called the Goldstone report after its chief judge, which found both Israel and Hamas guilty of war crimes. “The GOI hopes that eventually Goldstone would ‘vanish,’” the cable reads. He also pointed to the IDF’s own investigations of the conflict, but dismissed the possibility of an independent “commission of inquiry to review IDF investigations,” saying “nobody thinks we should do it.”
The cable also reveals the first official recognition found within the WikiLeaks cables of Israel’s use of unmanned drone aircraft in Operation Cast Lead. In a bombing by one of these drones, up to 16 civilians were killed. “A UAV [drone aircraft] shot at two Hamas fighters in front of the mosque,” reads the cable, “and 16 casualties resulted inside the mosque due to an open door through which shrapnel entered during a time of prayer.”
In a cable from a year earlier in February of 2009, Israeli Ambassador Benny Dagan admitted to US official Robert J. Silverman that “The current strategy is to use disproportionate force to respond to attacks by Hizballah and Hamas, noting it may take repeated strikes in both cases.”
Up to 1,400 Palestinians were killed in attacks by Israeli forces during Operation Cast Lead between, while some 5,000 were injured. Hundreds of those killed, up to half by some estimates, were unarmed civilians, including some 300 children, more than 115 women and some 85 men over the age of 50. Billions of dollars of infrastructure damage and numerous incidents of IDF attacks on civilian facilities, among other crimes.
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http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/02/is...d-to-avoid-war-crimes-investigations/
Malik offered US entire NADRA record: WikiLeaks
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| Interior Minister Rehman Malik had offered the entire record of the National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA) to the United States so that it could easily track anyone who it suspected of being involved in terrorism, WikiLeaks has revealed. Malik came up with the offer as a token of gratitude to the US for aiding Pakistan. He also suggested signing an agreement with Washington to make it look legal and save the Pakistan People’s Party government from any embarrassment. The Interior Ministry, meanwhile, rejected the claim, saying there was no truth to the allegations leveled against the minister.
ISI urged Saudi Arabia not to fund Nawaz: The ISI had asked Saudi Arabia to not fund PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif for his election campaign, a secret cable of 2008 revealed. According to WikiLeaks, National Security Adviser Tariq Aziz told Asif Zardari that after being elected as a prime minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi could challenge his authority, as Zardari was considering Qureshi as a PPP candidate for prime minister. Aziz told then US ambassador Anne Patterson on February 15 that Saudi Arabia had provided heavy funds to Nawaz for his election campaign in order to defeat the PPP. In the same meeting, he also told Patterson that the ISI requested the Saudi ambassador to stop funding Nawaz. He also told the Saudi ambassador that by doing so, the pact between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia would be violated in case Nawaz returned to Pakistan.
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http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/...red-us-entire-nadra-record-wikileaks/
WikiLeaks: U.S. visited jailed American after Cuban lawyer
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A U.S. government subcontractor spent 25 days in a Havana jail before receiving his first visit from a U.S. diplomat, but he already had met with a Cuban lawyer involved in the case of five Havana spies that Cuba wants freed from U.S. prisons, according to classified U.S. diplomatic cables.
The cables, written by U.S. diplomats in Havana, provide previously unknown details in the case of Alan P. Gross, whose imprisonment has become the most serious impediment to date of the Obama administration’s declared desire to warm relations with Cuba.
They also show Gross reporting that he had lost 30 pounds during his 25 days in prison, and speaking only in vague terms about the semi-clandestine mission that landed him in the grips of Cuba’s political police, the General Directorate of State Security.
The cables were among the more than 250,000 U.S. diplomatic dispatches that WikiLeaks provided to McClatchy and other news organization. McClatchy owns El Nuevo Herald and The Miami Herald.
Gross, 62 and a veteran international development specialist from Potomac, Md., was arrested Dec. 3 2009, after smuggling a satellite telephone to Cuba’s tiny Jewish community so it could independently access the Internet.
He was working for Development Associates International, a suburban Washington firm contracted by the U.S. Agency for International Development as part of a $20 million campaign to assist civil society on the island.
Cuba brands the USAID programs as subversive, and Gross is now serving a 15-year sentence in a Havana military hospital on charges of violating its “independence and territorial integrity.” His family and the U.S. government have urged Havana to free him as a humanitarian gesture because his wife, daughter and mother are all in ill health.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/01...ed-jailed-american.html#ixzz1Ww6di3a5
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sadly israeli warcrimes have never been a secret but their publication have also never caused any real consequences. |
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| On September 03 2011 04:28 Zep wrote:
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| On September 02 2011 19:43 whamm! wrote:
I used to think wikileaks was doing more harm than good. But now that governments are really getting out of control and everything is just turning to complete shit, I think this thing must exist to at least have some form of truth out there. Honestly people who are in those leaks should start explaining their actions instead of simply just going after the guys responsible for exposing them.
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Wikileaks are there for a reason. As usual, CIA created a controlled opposition for several reasons. First of all, to get people's attention away from 9/11. That's why Assange is like "9/11 truthers annoy me". This doesn't mean the documents they declassify are fake. They aren't, but they aren't the most important thing to be discussed. Secondly, having the central document-declassifying opposition, they can get to whisleblowers who are ready to speak the truth to Wikileaks without knowing what is their role. I personally believe that there is a chance some big event happens this 9/11 to enhance the fear in the public and stir attention away from 9/11/01. Maybe New York, I dunno. But some strange things are going on lately and seems like agencies are preparing for a humongous disaster. All kinds of exersices going on and we all know( actually a few) that they come true somehow ( 7/7, 9/11, Madrid). The thing is that the powers that be have already shot enough bullets. They know they can't fool the public forever and just attack country after country. Money is low too. Obama's ratings are plunging. Just like Bush's were before 9/11. They need something very very big to start a major conflict either in Israel, USA or the Middle East. Probably with the cost of many lives. And to make things worse, the major fault lines on the East and West Coast of USA are going wild and I expect a big earthquake soon. Shit is scary in the USA today.
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whamm!   Albania. Sep 03 2011 20:38. Posts 11625 | | |
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
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traxamillion   United States. Sep 03 2011 20:46. Posts 10468 | | |
palak why did George Bush preemptively pardon himself for war crimes.
read "crossing the rubicon" and let me know what you think |
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| On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
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palak   United States. Sep 03 2011 21:58. Posts 4601 | | |
| On September 03 2011 19:46 traxamillion wrote:
palak why did George Bush preemptively pardon himself for war crimes.
read "crossing the rubicon" and let me know what you think |
Because the detaining and torture of foreign nationals which are non combatants under the geneva convention is a war crime and is punishable as such in the US due to a 1996 federal law. However the President lacks the ability to pardon himself from war crimes from the ICC so it's kinda a moot point.
| Thirty-two years ago, President Gerald Ford created a political firestorm by pardoning former President Richard Nixon of all crimes he may have committed in Watergate -- and lost his election as a result. Now, President Bush, to avoid a similar public outcry, is quietly trying to pardon himself of any crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of U.S. detainees.
The ''pardon'' is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The ''pardon'' provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and makes the new, weaker terms of the War Crimes Act retroactive to 9/11.
Press accounts of the provision have described it as providing immunity for CIA interrogators. But its terms cover the president and other top officials because the act applies to any U.S. national. |
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0923-22.htm
If it was ever proven that bush planned 9/11 he would be charged with treason and 3k cases of first degree murder, that's 3001 death penalties. The extra 1 for the war crime of Guantanamo at that point would be useless.
Besides he has been indicted on war crimes in Tokyo already
| The Prosecution has presented a formidable Indictment against the Defendant, George Walker Bush, President of the United States and Commander -in-Chief of US military forces for serious crimes ; waging a war of aggression on Afghanistan, war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Afghan people, against prisoners of war ; and the use of radioactive depleted uranium weapons of mass destruction , against the people of Afghanistan ; with serious fall out effects on the military personnel of the United States ,UK and other forces deployed ; and on countries, in and around the region . |
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/TOK403A.html
| On September 03 2011 20:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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i lol'd
i also find this funny...baal on the fema camps thread
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http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/966469/FEMA_Camps.html
julian assange on 9/11 conspiracies (as quoted earlier)
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| On September 03 2011 20:58 palak wrote:
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This is bullshit and its a shame because of things like these real conspiracies (911) are overlooked.
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http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/966469/FEMA_Camps.html
julian assange on 9/11 conspiracies (as quoted earlier)
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D_smart_S   Bulgaria. Sep 04 2011 04:16. Posts 688 | | |
| On September 03 2011 19:38 whamm! wrote:
c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
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well research it on your own. I'm saying it as it is, I also believed he was legit because of all the amazing documents released, but came to the conclusion that he is just there for distraction and control of opposition. Ask yourself this, if you wanted to have more power and control of the information flow around the globe wouldn't it be a good idea to create a famous opposition such as Wikileaks instead of let people create one without your control. If you tell people - oh don't worry,you have wikileaks on your side, you don't need to uprise, if something is wrong wikileaks will tell you. And so, people calm down and wait wikileaks to reveal everything, without making an effort. The more control you have over opposition, the better. If you are a 9/11 truther, then ask yourself why they haven't found 1 single thing wrong with 9/11, at least one document released? Baal, ask yourself the same thing - would the guy with all the classified documents have no knowledge of 9/11. And why a person proclaimed to be the HERO of the hour, the biggest truth seeker find absolutely nothing wrong with the official 9/11 story. If he didn't find anything wrong, how did you? There is just way too much material out there, let alone on documents! |
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blackjacki2   United States. Sep 04 2011 04:23. Posts 2581 | | |
| On September 03 2011 20:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:
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| On September 04 2011 03:16 D_smart_S wrote:
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c'mon dsmart, i was mostly with you all the way now you spew this wikileaks is a co-conspirator thing
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well research it on your own. I'm saying it as it is, I also believed he was legit because of all the amazing documents released, but came to the conclusion that he is just there for distraction and control of opposition. Ask yourself this, if you wanted to have more power and control of the information flow around the globe wouldn't it be a good idea to create a famous opposition such as Wikileaks instead of let people create one without your control. If you tell people - oh don't worry,you have wikileaks on your side, you don't need to uprise, if something is wrong wikileaks will tell you. And so, people calm down and wait wikileaks to reveal everything, without making an effort. The more control you have over opposition, the better. If you are a 9/11 truther, then ask yourself why they haven't found 1 single thing wrong with 9/11, at least one document released? Baal, ask yourself the same thing - would the guy with all the classified documents have no knowledge of 9/11. And why a person proclaimed to be the HERO of the hour, the biggest truth seeker find absolutely nothing wrong with the official 9/11 story. If he didn't find anything wrong, how did you? There is just way too much material out there, let alone on documents!
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isn't it way, way more plausible that wikileaks just hasn't leaked any documents that would please 911 truthers because there just aren't any documents that would? I mean, you could believe my statement right now without having to abandon your idea of 911 being a demolition job.. if it were a demolition job, then thinking they'd document it is just stupid - everyone involved would surely know that if they were caught they'd be duking it out with hitler++ for most detested people through the history of the world.. |
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Wikileaks - Top Sudanese Businessman 'Fed Up' With Bashir's Government
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| Washington — A top Sudanese businessman told U.S. embassy officials in Khartoum that he is fed up with the way the government is running the country, Wikileaks cables show.
The leaked diplomatic note speaks of a meeting that took place between the U.S. Charge d'affaires Alberto Fernandez and Sudan's leading businessman Osama Daoud Abdel-Latif on January 23, 2008.
Abdel-Latif is the chairman of the Khartoum-based DAL group which is comprised of several companies including DAL Motors, DAL Engineering, DAL Food and DAL Agriculture.
The Sudanese prominent businessman started off by saying said that 2008 has not been good to his businesses which went down by 10% since 2006. He said that this is particularly disappointing as earlier in this decade his businesses had achieved 30-40% annual growth.
The Chairman of DAL groups blamed this poor performance on the ineffective leadership in the Ministry of Finance as well as the Sudanese Government. At the time it was Al-Zubeir Ahmed al-Hassan who was in charge of the finance ministry.
It was a month after this meeting that a cabinet reshuffle took place and Awad al-Jaz took over from al-Hassan. Al-Jaz has just left the oil ministry which he led since 1994.
"We have a very poor Minister of Finance. He is a joke and I am openly critical of him in his presence" Abdel-Latif said.
He described al-Hassan as a"yes-man whose only job is to take care of the army and the security."
The Sudanese businessman also noted that although the government's budget has grown from 2 billion to 11 billion in 2007, there is little to show for this money because so much is used for politics and the military/security apparatus.... |
http://allafrica.com/stories/201109040047.html
WikiLeaks: China, Paulson at odds over threat from subprime mortgage crisis
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| CHARLOTTE, N.C. - On the eve of the U.S. financial crisis, Bush administration Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was urging more financial innovation on his Chinese counterparts, even as the Chinese were calling for stricter regulation, U.S. diplomatic memos show.
At a December 2007 meeting in Beijing, amid growing turbulence in U.S. financial markets, Chinese officials expressed concern that the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis would harm the Chinese economy, according to a cable obtained by McClatchy Newspapers through WikiLeaks.
China Banking Regulatory Commission Chair Liu Mingkang also urged the U.S. to prevent future crises through enhanced information-sharing and strengthened supervision of financial institutions.
Paulson "underscored U.S efforts to address the subprime crisis and assured his counterparts that the U.S. economy would continue to serve as an engine for growth," according to the cable.
In closing the discussion, part of the U.S.-China Strategic Economic Dialogue, the Treasury secretary encouraged China to move forward quickly with economic reforms.
"If regulation had preceded innovation in the United States , it would have had a negative impact on the development of the U.S. economy," Paulson stressed, according to the cable.
At a meeting a day earlier, Paulson and Shang Fulin, chairman of the China Securities Regulatory Commission, used a basketball analogy to debate the opening of the Chinese financial sector to foreign investors.
"Shang said that domestic financial services firms are like high school athletes, whereas American firms are NBA players," the cable said. "Though he agrees that it would be ideal to invite more NBA players to join the team, detractors say the highly skilled NBA players would relegate the high school students to the bench."
That's why China's financial services sector should be opened gradually to help Chinese firms build their capacity, Shang explained.
Paulson stuck with the analogy in his response, saying foreign firms would hire Chinese staff, developing NBA-level Chinese players, creating more jobs and benefiting the entire country, according to the cable.
"The Chinese government would also set the rules and determine when there was a foul," Paulson explained, according to the cable.
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http://www.islandpacket.com/2011/09/0...na-paulson-at-odds.html#ixzz1WzxOBz1f
WikiLeaks: China wanted to invest in U.S. banks during '08 crisis
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| During the throes of the 2008 financial crisis, a top Chinese banker told U.S. officials that his company and others in China were interested in taking significant stakes in U.S. banks but expected a backlash from regulators and the American public, according to U.S. diplomatic memos.
The chairman of China Construction Bank, one of the world's largest banks, made the comment during two separate meetings in November 2008, according to State Department cables obtained by McClatchy through WikiLeaks.
At the time, U.S. banks were desperate for capital to absorb losses from mortgage-related investments and rising loan losses. But no Chinese investments were made, apparently because it would have opened the Chinese banks to regulatory scrutiny in the United States.
Still, the memos provide a window into the thinking of Chinese banking officials as their counterparts in the U.S. suffered through an epic financial meltdown. One of the Chinese investment funds eventually won Federal Reserve approval for an investment in New York-based Morgan Stanley, although not until last year.
China Construction Bank gained attention last week when Charlotte-based Bank of America Corp. sold shares it had owned in the Chinese bank in a move to boost the U.S. bank's capital levels. Bank of America will continue to hold a 5 percent stake in China Construction Bank after the sale.
In recent years, U.S. banks and companies have been eager to invest in Chinese companies and banks during a boom in that country's economy. But Chinese investments in U.S. companies have been a flash point for criticism. In 2005, a public and congressional backlash helped scuttle China's government-controlled CNOOC Ltd.'s $18.4 billion bid to buy oil company Unocal Corp.
In 2008, Chinese banks were in position to provide capital to struggling U.S. banks and were interested in working more closely with their American counterparts, said David Bachman, a professor in the Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. But taking a significant stake would have triggered regulatory scrutiny and questions about whether Chinese banks were taking advantage of "fire sale" prices, he said.
"Eventually, they came to the conclusion that it was too much effort or too much bother," Bachman said.
Investments by Chinese banks in their U.S. counterparts have raised concerns among policymakers because many of these financial institutions are controlled by the Chinese government, said Virginia-based banking consultant Bert Ely. The concerns were similar to when the U.S. Treasury invested in banks as part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, he said.
"There was fear when the government owns a piece of a bank to what extent does it get misused to advance policy initiatives, rather than being a strictly commercial operation," Ely said.
The State Department does not comment on the authenticity of documents released by WikiLeaks. Last week, spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the U.S. "strongly condemns any illegal disclosure of classified information."
Most of the cables examined for this story were unclassified, though some were classified "confidential" or "secret." On Thursday, WikiLeaks published its full cache of cables on its website.
Beijing-based China Construction Bank is the second-biggest bank in China and the world, with a market capitalization of $187 billion
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/04...a-wanted-to-invest.html#ixzz1Wzxs4bhI
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