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On June 01 2011 17:26 FrinkX wrote: ill update my original topic with download links

...amidst the irrelevances.

dissing hicks wtf? Hicks is a fucking genius and a great human being and if you dont share that misanthropy to some point you are clearly not paying attention -.-


What i dont get is why you like this shows, if it was an ABSOLUTE freak show i would get it, like seeing a freak in a circus just out of morbidity but quite freankly what ive seen its quite normal its not mind blowing or anything, they just act like that documentary on ADZ or Andrew Robl or sounds like an avg night with a douche with sunglasses and popped collar, whats to see? a couple of fights?

On June 01 2011 16:46 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2011 16:25 CirCa wrote: hilarious... Loco, if you actually wanted to discuss "the role that the electric media plays in a culture and its effect on an individual" you wouldn't have entered this thread, in your mocking tone, looking down on anybody who could possibly enjoy the show as entertainment... you would have actually raised your points/questions in an appropriate manner... you are smart enough to know that your original post in this thread would mainly lead to flaming, not productive discussion, and yet that is the path you chose This was really nothing more than you trying to make yourself superior to the rest of us "worms" no matter how you now try to spin it This is only partly true. Of course I knew the reactions I would get. I considered both options before making the post, and I chose to make the post because I first of all enjoy 'beating up' on easy self-indulgence (my own even more than others, and because I think these types of shows are the epitome of it) and second of all because it was the easy route to get people's attention. I'm thinking my post would've been largely ignored if I had only raised some questions, and I wasn't sure which ones to raise or how to, considering I didn't have any context for it. It's easier to get people's attention when they take it personally, and it creates a context. And yes, perhaps I do want people to take it personally, but I really don't think it has much to do with my own gratification and feelings of superiority like you wish to believe. People can try to psychoanalyze me if they want and find the ulterior motive in what I did, but I'm aware enough to know that I was maybe going to get into this and that the information provided might be good starting points for some people who have begun to think about this and maybe question that the mindless entertainment in their lives might be interfering with healthy behavior. And if by 'feeling superior' we mean that I believe that my values are at a better and higher place, and my habits wiser, then yes, I absolutely feel superior to most people who are just goofing around, stuck in an unconscious cycle of easy gratification day after day. Why wouldn't I? Does it make me a terrible person because I believe--from observing people's habits--that I generally make wiser choices than them? I think if there was a major mistake in what I did it is that after I watched it out of curiosity I decided to post in here to express my dislike of the show and at the same time expressed my concerns humorously and contemptuously. I'm thinking separating both, and having made a new thread for my concerns would've been a wiser choice and would've led to better opportunities for discussion. I haven't made a thread in forever so it didn't cross my mind.

what makes your habits and choices wiser than the people in this show? just from watching 1 episode the people in this show seem to have a lot of fun and im sure memories of being in this tv show will be good memories to remember for the rest of their life even with all the drama. So yeah the people in this show have a lot of fun so i think they are making pretty good decisions to be in it.
Maybe you don't have the artistic intelligence to enjoy the humor of getting a bunch of people like this together to live in a house.

"Im in there like swimwear"

Also Rikd doesnt seem to understand Bill Hicks at all

Since when did Loco become a bigger troll than Baal? xD




Who gives a fuck what people like?

On June 01 2011 20:25 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2011 16:46 Loco wrote:   On June 01 2011 16:25 CirCa wrote: hilarious... Loco, if you actually wanted to discuss "the role that the electric media plays in a culture and its effect on an individual" you wouldn't have entered this thread, in your mocking tone, looking down on anybody who could possibly enjoy the show as entertainment... you would have actually raised your points/questions in an appropriate manner... you are smart enough to know that your original post in this thread would mainly lead to flaming, not productive discussion, and yet that is the path you chose This was really nothing more than you trying to make yourself superior to the rest of us "worms" no matter how you now try to spin it This is only partly true. Of course I knew the reactions I would get. I considered both options before making the post, and I chose to make the post because I first of all enjoy 'beating up' on easy self-indulgence (my own even more than others, and because I think these types of shows are the epitome of it) and second of all because it was the easy route to get people's attention. I'm thinking my post would've been largely ignored if I had only raised some questions, and I wasn't sure which ones to raise or how to, considering I didn't have any context for it. It's easier to get people's attention when they take it personally, and it creates a context. And yes, perhaps I do want people to take it personally, but I really don't think it has much to do with my own gratification and feelings of superiority like you wish to believe. People can try to psychoanalyze me if they want and find the ulterior motive in what I did, but I'm aware enough to know that I was maybe going to get into this and that the information provided might be good starting points for some people who have begun to think about this and maybe question that the mindless entertainment in their lives might be interfering with healthy behavior. And if by 'feeling superior' we mean that I believe that my values are at a better and higher place, and my habits wiser, then yes, I absolutely feel superior to most people who are just goofing around, stuck in an unconscious cycle of easy gratification day after day. Why wouldn't I? Does it make me a terrible person because I believe--from observing people's habits--that I generally make wiser choices than them? I think if there was a major mistake in what I did it is that after I watched it out of curiosity I decided to post in here to express my dislike of the show and at the same time expressed my concerns humorously and contemptuously. I'm thinking separating both, and having made a new thread for my concerns would've been a wiser choice and would've led to better opportunities for discussion. I haven't made a thread in forever so it didn't cross my mind. what makes your habits and choices wiser than the people in this show? just from watching 1 episode the people in this show seem to have a lot of fun and im sure memories of being in this tv show will be good memories to remember for the rest of their life even with all the drama. So yeah the people in this show have a lot of fun so i think they are making pretty good decisions to be in it. Maybe you don't have the artistic intelligence to enjoy the humor of getting a bunch of people like this together to live in a house.

If you think this show requires anything from the viewer (and especially any kind of intelligence) you are completely deluded. It doesn't require anything. Not only that, but it also manages to copy another show completely. But I really don't give a shit about arguing the quality of the show, I just dislike it and that's that.

I wasn't aware that we gauge good decisions in life by the sole factor of how much fun was had. Since you ask me, I'll just say that I am just under the impression that there are greater joys in life than getting shitfaced drunk, making up with girls, working out and talking about your tan day in day out. Maybe I'm wrong.

On June 01 2011 20:41 Svenman87 wrote: Since when did Loco become a bigger troll than Baal? xD Who gives a fuck what people like?

I rarely troll people and I doubt Baal does often. I did some Übermensch trolling with the worm thing though, but that's all.

Who gives a fuck what people like, exactly. What actually concerns me is what these shows, and more largely, the medium does to people. I know what it did to me, and I've observed how mostly everyone is an entertainment junky nowadays and it's very concerning.

I m kinda on Loco's side here. No smart man would have respect for a 26yo who only has gym and haircuts on his mind / how to get shitfaced and hook up with a random 3+ girl. I tolerate this kind of behaviour for like 16-20yo but beyond that is just pure retarded imo ( obv dont get the timelane literally ). Also thinking about ur tan when you should be thinking about your career and how could your life be more constructive and bringing more stability to your loved ones is just pure idiotism and those are just some of the things that r way more imporant that trivial bullshit. But then again who am i to judge them, Hue Hefner is older than Jesus himself and he s banging shitloads of coke and having threesomes with 18yos, if thats the lifestyle they wanna have let em be, but then again Hue Hefner doesnt get his money out of his mom and dads pocket so..

I also feel like the extremity I've seen around Europe and especially here at home in sitiuations like the ones shown in the show are beyond the limits this show will ever reach and im sure people living in Europe could relate to that. Show is still pretty amusing tho mainly coz its filled with dumb people taking dumb choices all the time - thats one of the most amusing stuff anyone could watch and cmon dont tell me im being arrogant or something im quite sure most of you think that way

P.S. One thing i do not understand about western culture is how are the clubs already crowded and have a 50 people lane at 10pm .. who goes to the club that early .. i mean if you go to the club before 12 here you will literally be the only ones in there with the staff

On June 01 2011 20:25 Stroggoz wrote: what makes your habits and choices wiser than the people in this show? just from watching 1 episode the people in this show seem to have a lot of fun and im sure memories of being in this tv show will be good memories to remember for the rest of their life even with all the drama. So yeah the people in this show have a lot of fun so i think they are making pretty good decisions to be in it. Maybe you don't have the artistic intelligence to enjoy the humor of getting a bunch of people like this together to live in a house.

You really have no clue whatsoever about anything in life, wow.

Let this show be, who these people truly are off the camera we don't really know. If you enjoy watching this show it doesn't mean you want to be fkn like them. If some people try to act like these people in real life because they think they're cool, fk them because they got poor judgement anyways. There are people in life that you can have fun and party with while having healthy, deep, and sincere relationships with and there are people in life you can party and have fun with but aren't actually respectable in your own eyes. You do not need to respect everyone in this world since respect is earned, you especially don't need to respect everybody you watch in your god damn tv shows, let alone bitch about it because they're taking advantage of an opportunity that will make them famous.

There are bad television shows everywhere obviously but guess what, there's s fkn billion different channels, websites with shows to choose from. Just as there "bad" music in this world, well then get off ur ass, stop listening to whatever radio stations and actually search for what you like because there's like a million ways to obtain and listen to whatever music you would like.

god ppl, stop wasting your energy arguing about how bad this show is/isn't or if the show has anything of value, fuuuuk lol.

Yeah, I guess you're right. There's no way to know for certain that Jay isn't reading Nietzsche when there's no camera to film his every move.

The show is fake and stupid but still entertaining, just like with what pro wrestling was before, only thing is they peddle now is a life of promiscuity and never ending parties with strangers in one house, before with the "Real world" and "Big Brother" it used to be made up to be some social experiment but now people are tired of the genre/drama and just wanna see people have fun and get laid. It makes people feel they can get laid anytime which is for many, hardly ever the case. Honestly think Jersey Shore was like 10x better and funnier too since the "guido" stereotype is not very known to most people outside the area which made it very interesting and hilarious, these geordies have yet to show something that relates to the area though, but I fail to see it.

i wasn't dissing hicks. i haven't seen any of his standup in a long time but i also think he's a genius and one of the best of all time. any bit he's done on drugs, rock n roll, or religion are some of my favorites of all time. hating on night clubs and men dancing i don't agree w/ him though. night clubs can be an excellent time. after some drinks w/ the right crowd in the right mood i'm picking night club over sitting at home and reading homer 10 times out of 10 and it's not close.

as far as men dancing if they are confident and have some rhythm and are dancing or attempting to dance w/ a woman or even just goofing around how is that not masculine? if they are awkward and uncomfortable clearly sitting and sweating and cursing is the better option. if they're seriously and euphorically doing choreographed dance routines to lady gaga or mika then yeah they are probably gay.

getting back to loco i actually agree w/ his main theme just not the way he went about expressing it. unless you literally never watch make believe movies, play video games, masturbate, etc. it's just obnoxious to attack ppl.

i can totally jive w/ disliking aspects of humanity/society but i dislike angry misanthropy.

I think what happens with people like Loco is that they lose sight of how there is no basis whatsoever for their values to be applied to other people. Funnily enough most of the time the personal values which they apply to other people lets them feel superior...

I suppose a poker analogy would be Loco deciding his values for poker are to make the best possible decision possible to maximise his expected value and profit. He sits at a table and watches a fish gamble it up by calling on a flush draw and hoping to suck out on and stack one of the regs. Loco would then apply his poker values to this player and think omg what a stupid fish, how can they ever expect to improve and get MAX EXPECTED VALUE???!!

The thing is, there is no logical reason at all that the other player has to have the same poker values as Loco. Now, if the other player has the same values as Loco (max profit) then within that "system" you could compare approaches by both players and say that Loco is logically superior. But if they don't have the same values then how can you compare their actions?

I believe this goes up all the way in terms of values to the highest level where there are no absolute values that you can use to then derive values and compare value systems.

I don't think there is any ultimate basis one can use to logically say that a life spent trying to have as much sex as possible with the most attractive girls (to that person) is ultimately any better or worse then a life spent advancing humanity like Einstein or Edison. If there were two people that had those different values then they would have to agree on values on a level above that to then compare their values.

Like in this thread, if we all agree that we have the higher values of gaining more knowledge then we can compare the values of the actors+audience for Geordie Show and Loco's values against that and Loco would come out ahead. No reason to tho imo.

I don't believe such a ultimate measuring stick for values exists (even with gods you have the Euthyphro Dilemma) and that it comes down to personal values.

Neways, just rambling while waiting for the episode to finish dling. Time to enjoy...

whats the name of that show with the guy kicking himself in the balls/

On June 02 2011 01:22 RiKD wrote: i wasn't dissing hicks. i haven't seen any of his standup in a long time but i also think he's a genius and one of the best of all time. any bit he's done on drugs, rock n roll, or religion are some of my favorites of all time. hating on night clubs and men dancing i don't agree w/ him though. night clubs can be an excellent time. after some drinks w/ the right crowd in the right mood i'm picking night club over sitting at home and reading homer 10 times out of 10 and it's not close. as far as men dancing if they are confident and have some rhythm and are dancing or attempting to dance w/ a woman or even just goofing around how is that not masculine? if they are awkward and uncomfortable clearly sitting and sweating and cursing is the better option. if they're seriously and euphorically doing choreographed dance routines to lady gaga or mika then yeah they are probably gay. getting back to loco i actually agree w/ his main theme just not the way he went about expressing it. unless you literally never watch make believe movies, play video games, masturbate, etc. it's just obnoxious to attack ppl. i can totally jive w/ disliking aspects of humanity/society but i dislike angry misanthropy.

I think you're onto something important, and I'm not condemning dancing like Bill. I'm definitely more of a sulking kind than a dancing kind. But if I could do it, I definitely believe it would do me good. In my favorite book (Steppenwolf) the protagonist has a transcendental experience from dancing in a crowd and it gives him a new joy for living. I think any activity that can make your ego disappear for some time or you "losing yourself" has a lot of value. Books are fantastic but they are not the whole of life and experiences.

I literally never watch make-believe movies and play video games these days, but it doesn't change anything about the fact that it wasn't the optimal way to get into this. I guess there is some resentment in me towards the entertainment junkies because I feel like I was born in a culture that doesn't resemble anything that I would want it to be. I also feel like said culture has done me a lot of harm and undoing it is no easy task (like for the attention span) and it keeps doing harm because in a world where our practices are unsustainable people are uninformed and no longer have their self-interest nor the interest of the people at heart. They don't do jack shit. The new opium is their entertainment and no longer religious fundamentalism. From my perspective there is no need for an oppressor for people to be enslaved; as long as they have easy access to entertainment and don't question it, they'll do it themselves.

On June 02 2011 02:55 R_I wrote: I think what happens with people like Loco is that they lose sight of how there is no basis whatsoever for their values to be applied to other people. Funnily enough most of the time the personal values which they apply to other people lets them feel superior... I suppose a poker analogy would be Loco deciding his values for poker are to make the best possible decision possible to maximise his expected value and profit. He sits at a table and watches a fish gamble it up by calling on a flush draw and hoping to suck out on and stack one of the regs. Loco would then apply his poker values to this player and think omg what a stupid fish, how can they ever expect to improve and get MAX EXPECTED VALUE???!! The thing is, there is no logical reason at all that the other player has to have the same poker values as Loco. Now, if the other player has the same values as Loco (max profit) then within that "system" you could compare approaches by both players and say that Loco is logically superior. But if they don't have the same values then how can you compare their actions? I believe this goes up all the way in terms of values to the highest level where there are no absolute values that you can use to then derive values and compare value systems. I don't think there is any ultimate basis one can use to logically say that a life spent trying to have as much sex as possible with the most attractive girls (to that person) is ultimately any better or worse then a life spent advancing humanity like Einstein or Edison. If there were two people that had those different values then they would have to agree on values on a level above that to then compare their values. Like in this thread, if we all agree that we have the higher values of gaining more knowledge then we can compare the values of the actors+audience for Geordie Show and Loco's values against that and Loco would come out ahead. No reason to tho imo. I don't believe such a ultimate measuring stick for values exists (even with gods you have the Euthyphro Dilemma) and that it comes down to personal values. Neways, just rambling while waiting for the episode to finish dling. Time to enjoy...

Interesting analogy, but I think you're missing something here. We were all a fish at some point. I don't think anybody ever managed to avoid sitting at a table as a fish at some point in their lives. But if you have become a successful poker player, you've learned a lot of things down the road, and you profit more than the fish who didn't dedicate themselves to improving. I think we are all transformable for the better, and the only thing stopping us is our ignorance, self-indulgence and lack of courage. I think life is the same as poker in that respect: you are either improving, staying the same or regressing. I would argue that only one of those feels good, and I'm guessing the people who aim for comfort and being well-entertained would not agree. Living life in itself is an art to learn. How do we get the most joy, the least disappoints, and the best relationships? How do we flourish as human beings? I for one don't think the Geordie Shore cast have found the answer to any of such questions. I think they are more interested in the moment to moment pleasures than in a responsible, flourishing life.

"I don't think there is any ultimate basis one can use to logically say that a life spent trying to have as much sex as possible with the most attractive girls (to that person) is ultimately any better or worse then a life spent advancing humanity like Einstein or Edison."

If that is so, then please do this exercise: imagine a world where there only are people who want to have as much sex as possible. No scientists, no artists, no thinkers, nothing else than those vulgar hedonists. People don't know how to read anymore because you don't need that to have sex. They also don't know how to take care of humanity's problems, nor do they care, because it doesn't matter. They are here right now and they can still live on this planet without any problems, only the future generations will have to deal with them.

Now imagine the opposite. Only thinkers, scientists, artists, etc left. Which model do you think would be the best? Which one would you rather live in? Which one would most likely make it out alive and not disappear into oblivion at some point? Which one would create the best qualities for living?

I think the values being purely subjective/arbitrary thing is a bullshit argument. Our values affect more than just us, therefore it should be measurable whether one is superior to another.

just to clear it up tv doesnt deter me from reading walls of texts

its just that i dont give a shit what u people have to say. stop fucking nuking this thread and talk about the awesomeness that is the geordie shore

someone needs to make a geordie shore soundboard.

I never argued that people can't read "walls of text" on a forum. That's nothing. Can they sit quietly and pick up a book and have some real, uninterrupted focused study after having been on the computer or watching tv for hours? I highly doubt it, and that's the argument.



But more importantly, is there any reason why people would want to study anything when they can just take it easy and be entertained whenever? This is the biggest concern. The problem is not spending some time watching mindless entertainment. The problem is when it takes all the space and there is none left for study and self-cultivation.

And I'm sorry if I turned your thread into this.