Prohibition Makes Drug Dealers Richer - NPR

On April 17 2011 15:16 Funktion wrote: Just pointing out that you didn't actually adjust for inflation on the cigs and weed. Also when economists do those calculations they use ceteris paribus or all other things being held constant assumption. By competition changing, taxes changing and many other variables changing it is hard to actually make an accurate calculation or model like the one you did. Also you are using localised data, I know you aren't claiming anything other than that but your price at the time might of been inflated or deflated compared to the rest of the country due to employment, income etc. If weed is legalised I guess it depends initially on how the suppliers and consumers react. If demand stays the same but there is an influx of supply the price will be driven down. If however there is an influx of new people wanting to try weed etc because it's legal then demand quantity will increase and hence price will. I think it's kind of hard to predict as there are a few unknowns, either way market equilibrium will be reached at some point.

I didn't adjust for inflation?? Does inflation affect one product more or less than another, or inflation a general term. I gave a comparison of the price of the two items then and now. I think it speaks for itself.

Also, all the other things you mentioned miss the point . . . . I have no doubt that production costs and wholesale prices will go down, but at the user end we will pay more. Taxes will more than offset any savings, which I think is clearly demonstrated by the skyrocketing price of cigarettes.

The fact is that an 1/8th of weed is the same $40 it has been for nearly 20 years. No other product I know of can make that same claim.

Risk, as in the illegality of it, does not seem to be a factor in pricing.

So the point is your prices...won't bother.

Legalization of weed in California has really cut into my profit margins and has put more than a few of my dealer friends completely out of business. You barely cover your running costs with prices so low unless you have a "larger" operation. Pounds of good quality weed that just last year would have landed you $2500-3000 a pound last year can go as low as $700-800 this year.

On April 18 2011 19:22 NotSorry wrote: Legalization of weed in California has really cut into my profit margins and has put more than a few of my dealer friends completely out of business. You barely cover your running costs with prices so low unless you have a "larger" operation. Pounds of good quality weed that just last year would have landed you $2500-3000 a pound last year can go as low as $700-800 this year.

So three years later, we have retail weed here in Washington State. That retail weed is grossly more expensive than my guy down the street, so his business is not likely to suffer. Although, as stated above, an ounce that once was worth $300 is worth about half that now. Unfortunately, there is still enforcement for those other guys, so very little has changed, other than the state getting it's cut.

But as predicted, there is hope on the horizon. Big tobacco is coming, and with mass production, we could see retail prices fall, at least temporarily until the tax man cometh

http://mmjbusinessdaily.com/experts-b...lcohol-coming-for-marijuana-industry/ again.

point is palak its not even the addiction itself necessarily that ruins an addicts life. Is addiction intrinsically bad? Probably, but just like we are addicted to oxygen in a sense (we need it constantly to survive) as long as that addiction is satisfied (we have oxygen to breathe) we are ok. It is when we don't have the drug we are addicted to that we run into problems such as withdrawal and crime. Some drugs can be harmful to the body like cocaine, but for example opiates are non-toxic in the body (much like marijuana but maybe even less harmful long term at least cognitively) and you can do them all day daily for an entire long life. That is assuming you are able to avoid life threatening respiratory depression due to overdose, which should be easy to do for any user with experience and a tolerance. Most deaths are from inexperienced, uneducated users. Proper education would save a lot more lives than the current system of abstinence and incarceration.

The problem is because of their legal status drug prices have risen to obscene levels. The poppy, the marijuana plant, the cocoa plant, these grow freely all over the world these drugs would cost nothing if they weren't highly regulated. People have to basically devote all their time and energy into obtaining these drugs because of the cost and the rest of their lives fall to the wayside. Crime, etc. to pay for the drugs, then jail rinse repeat. This cycle is perpetuated. The war on drugs has created a whole giant world economy, it would cost a lot of people a lot of money to change things. For all we know the price to banks, the for profit prison system, etc. of legalization would trash the economy. At the very least the banks laundering the drug money would not be happy.

Just look at alcohol (most destructive drug to society probably- drunk driving) and you will see the massive hypocrisy behind all of this. And anyone wanting to curtail pharmaceutical pain killers because of illegal use I have a message for you. Nobody should have trouble getting any pain medication they need (pain is horrible) due to some authority's fear that it may be diverted for others to use recreationally. The fear of some people getting high should keep no one from the meds they need to live pain free. Who cares if an individual decides to ingest a substance; it is that persons business. Same thing for prison. Someone uses a substance to feel pleasure in the safety of their home. That makes them a criminal? They should be locked away in a cage away from society for that? of course not, common sense people. Even the people supplying the drugs; they are providing something that someone is consciously and willfully handing their money over for. Not much wrong with that either imo. I don't believe in victimless crime.

wow I got owned by a resurrected thread. I hadn't seen that idiot Palak in a while and I let him tilt me in this 3 year old thread.

The dispensarys in NorCal are still charging a lot retail out the door. Top shelf ounces for 260-350 which is expensive as ever so they are getting their money. They obviously only buy it for a fraction of that though. But because of high retail prices up here it is still possible for street dealers to survive if they just push decent shit at 10/g most people around here will pay. As far as larger weights; yea pounds don't go for 3 racks anymore (Although I heard pounds of fire cookies shipped over to the East Coast were still fetching 5k last week) but they can still go for half that. clubs might not pay more than 1 but especially with all the concentrates being made now BHO especially and made out of flowers too even not just trim you can find other people to buy ur dank. Might have to travel but shouldn't be too far. I'm not sure about IN Humboldt county. Maybe pounds are going 500 all day up there. Its still not as cheap in San Francisco because over half of the shit up north flys straight down I-5 to SoCal and never even touches the city. Everyone up here is on the Dab hype right now so get a vacuum oven and start making shatter to make $.

yay measure 91 passed in oregon...legal weed can be bought a year from now I'm guessing. not sure how it'd affect prices but if it's the oregon alcohol commission it'll prob be just as expensive if not more than the dealers around here.

legalize it to reduce unecessary incarcerations, legitimize sources and hurt non tax-paying dealers. to make cheaper, widely accessible weed should not be the goal of this thing, anything that intoxicates is obviously harmful to society

Part of the drug war is the war on euthanasia drugs. People are drinking the 3$ clorox (middle age torturous death) to kill themselves instead of the illegal 10$ nembutal (painless death). Its evil to prohibit euthanasia drugs from those who would use them.
Case in point, Frank Underwood's Father: "When I was thirteen, I walked in on my father in the barn. There was a shotgun in his mouth. He waved me over. "Come here, Francis," he said. "Pull the trigger for me." Because he didn't have the courage to do it himself. I said, "No, pop," and walked out, knowing he would never find that courage. The next seven years were hell for my father, but even more hell for my mother and me. He made all of us miserable; drinking, despair, violence... My only regret in life is that I didn't pull that trigger."
If nembutal were legal, ezpz.

On November 16 2014 13:47 MyAnacondaDont wrote: Part of the drug war is the war on euthanasia drugs. People are drinking the 3$ clorox (middle age torturous death) to kill themselves instead of the illegal 10$ nembutal (painless death). Its evil to prohibit euthanasia drugs from those who would use them. Case in point, Frank Underwood's Father: "When I was thirteen, I walked in on my father in the barn. There was a shotgun in his mouth. He waved me over. "Come here, Francis," he said. "Pull the trigger for me." Because he didn't have the courage to do it himself. I said, "No, pop," and walked out, knowing he would never find that courage. The next seven years were hell for my father, but even more hell for my mother and me. He made all of us miserable; drinking, despair, violence... My only regret in life is that I didn't pull that trigger." If nembutal were legal, ezpz.

hi woodbrave/josephcalgary!

You can trace back the criminalization of cannabis back to the 1920s/30s in America. A random pharmacologist testified before congress that he did marijuana and it turned him into a vulture that flew around the room he was in. So after that the drug was criminalized because it made people insane. Then lawyers started getting people off murders because they used the insanity defense and said the murderer was doing marijuana. So that was dropped, and they made up the 'gateway drug' myth afterwards. The history of drug criminalization is pretty funny/interesting, but sad also.

What happens when a heroin user decides to go on a killing spree and kill innocent newborn babies becauae of the drug psychosis huh? Im happy that these drugs will never ever in a million years be legalized. Also cannabis causes psychosis for some people.

Why not just quit doing drugs instead of crying that they should be legal?

On November 16 2014 23:58 Srsbob wrote: What happens when a heroin user decides to go on a killing spree and kill innocent newborn babies becauae of the drug psychosis huh? Im happy that these drugs will never ever in a million years be legalized. Also cannabis causes psychosis for some people. Why not just quit doing drugs instead of crying that they should be legal?

Not trolling homie

Well you are either trolling ore retarded

Lol I hope you are trolling dog otherwise Baal is right you are retarded

Guys...c'mon...

Srsbob = awesomeguy - you know, the guy who got banned for being a total trolling jackass? And then made another account w/ the same name? I think he's on his fourth account by now..

don't feed him

On November 17 2014 01:29 Baalim wrote: Well you are either trolling ore retarded

this made me BURST out laughing lmao.

On November 16 2014 23:58 Srsbob wrote: What happens when a heroin user decides to go on a killing spree and kill innocent newborn babies becauae of the drug psychosis huh? Im happy that these drugs will never ever in a million years be legalized. Also cannabis causes psychosis for some people. Why not just quit doing drugs instead of crying that they should be legal?

Srsbob the prophet