2.20 180 man Sitngo 1.10 90 1.10 45

I play these sitngos and I was wondering what the proper bankroll is for these? I currently have about 200. I also play the larger MTTS anywhere from 1.10-5.50 max.

BR depends on winrate and variance. I think you're rolled for $2.20 180's assuming you're a winner. $200 couldn't be enough for anyone to play big $5 freeze-out MTT's. Even $1 MTT's would be taking a shot, but you can keep generating more money for shots by playing the SNG's. I do recommend the 3R, again, although you may break even or be slightly up over a large sample since there's not a ton of $ outside of the top 15 or so spots.

On September 08 2010 02:41 vltava wrote: BR depends on winrate and variance. I think you're rolled for $2.20 180's assuming you're a winner. $200 couldn't be enough for anyone to play big $5 freeze-out MTT's. Even $1 MTT's would be taking a shot, but you can keep generating more money for shots by playing the SNG's. I do recommend the 3R, again, although you may break even or be slightly up over a large sample since there's not a ton of $ outside of the top 15 or so spots.

you mean the 3$ rebuy? That's 3+3 (insta-rebuy) + 3 (add-on) so it's 9$ BI to start with.

I know. But it pays a ton of places, it's very soft, and there's more play because the stacks are deeper. (I recommended those to him in the past on his blog.)

Yeah, I agree that it is super-duper soft, but still the field is ridic. large and getting into those with a 200$ bankroll is a suicide.

i played those before (won like 8 times )and started now again i remember i couldnt make it into money in 150 trnys/ 4 days played...i recomend 400 $ at least

the 3$ rebuy for 180 man im assuming? TBH I'm down like 110ish in cash games so im giving up completely on cash and up 162 in sitngos. My ROI is very small though like 34%. I've been playing MTTS every day too. I scored a 500 dollar cash but i cashed that out already.

No, I meant the daily 60k and 40k guaranteed tourneys. It's so easy to generate the $ for it, if you're playing enough other stuff that you're properly rolled for, I think it's an ideal place to take a shot. It is not suicide. We're assuming most of OP's action is not in massive MTT's, plus if you reasonably expect to go ten of Stars 3R's without cashing, then you probably can't afford poker at ANY stakes.

Try to avoid cashing out most of your roll just because you make a score. It isn't free money. If you're investing buy-ins in MTT's, then you need to reinvest most of your cashes at this level back into your roll if you can. Otherwise, you should probably not bother playing MTT's.

On September 08 2010 15:59 vltava wrote: No, I meant the daily 60k and 40k guaranteed tourneys. It's so easy to generate the $ for it, if you're playing enough other stuff that you're properly rolled for, I think it's an ideal place to take a shot. It is not suicide. We're assuming most of OP's action is not in massive MTT's, plus if you reasonably expect to go ten of Stars 3R's without cashing, then you probably can't afford poker at ANY stakes. Try to avoid cashing out most of your roll just because you make a score. It isn't free money. If you're investing buy-ins in MTT's, then you need to reinvest most of your cashes at this level back into your roll if you can. Otherwise, you should probably not bother playing MTT's.

You are giving very bad advice right now. As mentioned those 3$ rebuys have one of the largest fields among low-mid BI tourneys. The variance is ridiculously high there, and it can happen to even good players to go 10 times without cashing. It's massively +EV but the variance is so high that "taking shots" with 10-15 BI-s in several thousand people field tourney is, literally, a suicide.

To OP: Don't cash out that much.

You're mistaken. Much better players than I will also tell you that sometimes you should take shots (why put this in quotes? What do you even mean by that?). Clearly (as your reading comprehension is spectacularly poor, I'm not sure how to rephrase this so that you can process it) most of OP's action will not be in the 3R's. I'm assuming he's generating more than enough to be able to play the 3R, even if he played a 3R on a near-daily basis. Obviously if his other action is insufficient, to the extent that the 3R's somehow began to deplete his BR, then he would be better off not continuing to play them, but that is so obvious that no one needs to be told this.

It's not suicide. Since thinking critically appears to present you with insurmountable difficulties, let me assist you by pointing out that you can't just throw out "several thousand people tourney" and "10-15 BI's" and conclude "suicide". In addition to what I wrote above, you are ignoring several facts about the tourneys, including 1) they pay about 1/6 places, 2) a staggering ~1/5 of the field typically leave the tourney before the rebuy period is over, and 3) all the chips in play, combined with the very slow blind structure, and finally the ridiculous amount of opportunities you will have to get all your money in way ahead, let a solid player with a short roll play an extremely conservative style which grants a very high percentage of cashes while preserving a very realistic shot of a deep run.

I'd recommend about 150bi's for these, 100bi swings are pretty common, even tho they are really soft

ye i started off with abt 200$ ds on those when i got busto and needed to regrind so +1 to #11. but then again: you dont gamble you dont win.

vltava, you are a retard. He says he is playing 1$ and 2$ sngs with something like 35% ROI, so

"Im assuming he's generating more than enough to be able to play the 3R"

is bullshit. If he would generate enough he would have a rapidly growing bankroll which is not the case.

It doesn't matter whether he plays 2 of the rebuy tournies a day or plays 1 in a month, as long as he has to put 5-10% of his roll and fight a field of 5,6 or 10 K people, it is, per definition, a suicide. I don't know whether you have ANY idea about MTT variance but risking 10% of your roll against such a huge field is as bad as it can be.

The guy is just starting and wants simple BR management advice, you come along with that talk about taking shots and recommend putting 5-10% for a single tourney with enormous field.

You failed to understand or address what I said, but still concluded I'm a retard. Congrats! You have mastered the art of projection.

Hmm yeah. I'm having a 30 buy in downswing for the 2.20 turbos -____- keep getting 5-9 when i do make the FT

You have to move down if you're getting too short.

yea im down to 130 ill prolly play the dollar ones again. I usually play the 5.50 20k 5.50 20k turbo 2.20 12 k turbo and 4.40 turbo every day taht's usually what hits my bankroll. I'm gonna re deposit 125

I strongly recommend figuring out ways to make your bankroll self-sufficient. If you have to deposit sometimes, then poker becomes more of a hobby than a source of income. Despite what I said about the 3R's, if you're struggling in the bigger MTT's, I think you should probably take a break from them. When I have been really short in the past I found the $1 45-mans and the $3+.40 STT's to be a good way to get the BR out of the cellar. Also, spend your FPP's on bonuses or very low buy-in satellites; don't go for the Sunday mill sats, that's like spending $80 on a buy-in, which would be insane considering your roll.