2/4 PLO against monkey

Fun hand from today's session.

Villain is batshit insane, earlier there was two insane idiots but this one busted the other one and is now sitting deep. These two were playing literally every hand for 3bets and other ridiculous shit. He's calmed down a bit since the other batshit idiot busted, but he's still retarded.

I ran a bluff vs him earliar, he raised UTG, one caller, I 3bet 3456dd, and it was 4way to flop. Board came A22dd, he donked out, I raised 3x, then half potted 8x turn, then bet 2/3 pot on 6d river. He snapped and showed 6sJc2c5c LOL sick tilt.

Anyhow villain is running at 67/35 with 27% 3bet 6 handed over about 100 hands and he has 0% fold to 3bet.

Effective stacks $808

I have AhQhQcJd

Sick fish limps, Villain raises $14.50, button calls, I pot to $66 from sb, sick fish calls, Villain calls, nit on button calls.

Flop Th3c8d ($268)

I check, sick fish checks, Villain bets pot, nit on button folds, I jam for $743...

Thoughts?

you need to stop squeezing this kinda hands pre

I dont mind the RR i think its totally fine to get it in here.

On September 03 2010 10:32 MiPwnYa wrote: you need to stop squeezing this kinda hands pre

care to enlighten me some more on this as to why?

I figured he's calling with so much worse so often and I don't mind building the pot for when I hit a good flop. Is this a bad logic vs this type of villain?

the thing is youre not gonna be heads up, youre most likely gonna be 3way and oop with a hand that dsnt flop very well, and in the 3456ds hand youre gonna flop dominated draws dominated 2pr etc so I would avoid squeezing such a weak rundown I guess

but what do I know

On September 04 2010 09:43 MiPwnYa wrote: the thing is youre not gonna be heads up, youre most likely gonna be 3way and oop with a hand that dsnt flop very well, and in the 3456ds hand youre gonna flop dominated draws dominated 2pr etc so I would avoid squeezing such a weak rundown I guess

Okay this makes sense, but when villain is calling 3bets OOP with hands like J236ccc and basically 40% of his range that he opens he's calling 3bets. There must be value? I'm still experimenting myself with this so not sure. Had a reg opened and someone called on the button I most likely would not squeeze a hand like AQQJ OOP.

The 3456ds hand though I'm on the button, can't be too bad to squeeze here. Perhaps I play my buttons too loose and aggressive though.

aqqj hand is fine, once you RR i like to c/r vs him but bet/call is also ok

3456 shouldnt be 3betting pre, and should almost certainly check river

On September 05 2010 04:18 Daut wrote: aqqj hand is fine, once you RR i like to c/r vs him but bet/call is also ok 3456 shouldnt be 3betting pre, and should almost certainly check river

my first instinct was to check back river, but I decided to go for thin value on river not really a bluff. I could see him caling me with 2xxx that didn't fill.

3456 on button 3bet is it really that bad?

why exactly are you trying to put more money into the pot with 3456? you keep saying the word squeeze like you expect them to fold preflop some percentage of the time?

I'm playing 46/28 15% 3bet on button.

I play my buttons very aggressive and 3bet a really wide range especially in spots where the action goes "raise, call" since I want to play big multiway pots postflop on the button more than any other position so I try to take advantage of these situations whenever they come up. Is this logic fundamentally incorrect for 100BB PLO online and PLO in general?

I'm still figuring out and experimenting with 100BB PLO online so let me ask you a few questions. Why exactly can we not put in more money preflop with a hand like 3456? Obviously it does not flop well as other hands. I have good equity vs a standard open preflop even with a small run like 3456, are my calculations wrong here do I actually have very bad equity? Does being on the button not make up for the equity your losing preflop assuming you are of equal or better skill of the players that are to act before you on future streets?

I do expect people to fold, especially coldcallers and if not I don't mind seeing a flop with 3456 on the button and then playing poker postflop. I find people actually do fold a lot to button 3bets in PLO well at least at 2/4 they seem to be.

in that exact hand I got called by a hand that I was 48% equity vs preflop and I'm going to be winning most boards that he doesn't connect with strong enough when he's calling with such garbage.

its completely backwards logic

you are basically shortening the stack to pot ratio by reraising and making position less important. youre also doing it with not a very good hand. bad reraise imo, especially against a guy who is a bit too loose, will never fold preflop and is pretty likely to go with any 1 pair hand postflop by just check shoving over bets or something.

i like keeping stacks effectively deeper when im in position and try to reraise with big cards so i can flop better draws than people and get it in at a high percentage. the only benefit to reraising low rundowns is that you can try to induce on flops that your opponents expect to miss a normal reraising range. however its much easier to do that oop than in position by checking something like a 478ss flop and getting a bet from the guy in position.

in general people fold to reraises preflop very infrequently in plo, so you shouldnt use terminology like squeeze because its an entirely different concept altogether.


when youare deeper reraising 3456 type hands is a way better because then the stack to pot ratio is still rather large and you are building a bigger pot in position that you are pretty likely to win with multiple bets postflop when you read your opponent for a weak range

thanks

3456 multiway flops very dominated a lot, thats the major problem in my eyes, I would only 3b that hand HU and even then not always