NL 2/5 live

Vilain is a competent internet player very agressive who can make big move.
I've got a crazy image too.
I've got AQ in sb , 2 limpers (2 fish very loose), vilain on the button make 25 , I reraise to 80 , fishs fold , vilain call (I never saw him fold a 3bet)
vilain has 1100€ , I cover
board : 7c7s8c
he says me , that's a good board for me and donkbet 125 into 185
What's your move ?

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I see him on a draw I reraise 450 ,he think like 10 sec then push , I think a good minute then call
He has 9To without club , turn T , K river , fml

how can he donkbet when you are in the small blind and he is button?

also after reading your spoiler it seems like the biggest spew ever from your side 200bb deep, even vs the hand he had (which is the best you could've hoped for) you are only 50/50 so stove that vs a range also including better combodraws and sometimes trips and a slowplayed OP...

I like that you re-raise to almost 50% of effective stacks and then dont know that to do when he shoves... clicking buttons live much?

he donkbet for sure , I'm probably the BB then.
for the spoiler , when I reraise I put him on a shitty hand like this , I think 1 minute because : "what? you still push ? "
My question if you prefer is :
what is his range when he donkbet ?

edit :
I'm 100% confident he never has JJ+ here.

For me his range is :
56s , 56o , 9Ts , 9To , low PP , maybe 67s 67o
He reraise JJ+ AK+ versus me 100% of the time

On September 01 2010 02:56 waga wrote: For me his range is : 56s , 56o , 9Ts , 9To , low PP , maybe 67s 67o He reraise JJ+ AK+ versus me 100% of the time

i think that is a very result oriented range, i think its very hard to put him on an accurate range from a live session, but if hes a good competent playes as you described him i think playing AQ this way 200bb is massive -ev

i think its very hard to put him on an accurate range from a live session

not really , and it's not the first time I play him.

but if hes a good competent playes as you described him i think playing AQ this way 200bb is massive -ev

If we exclude JJ+ AK+ from his range , and I'm 100% confident we can , it doesn't look that spewy , definetly not massively -EV...

I quote myself

Vilain is a competent internet player very agressive who can make big move.

For info , I saw him on a previous game , limp reraise 35o 250€ when UTG raise his straddle 80€
continuation bet on a 679 with flush draw board and call the shove of the straddle (200bb stack)
straddle had A8o lol

nice brag/whine badbeat post imo

with all this extra info you adding im not sure why you asked for advice in the first place? but if you add 67o to his range you for example have to add ALOOT of extra suited 7s to his range

all this extra info ?
I said in OP " very agressive who can make big move"
Basically , I'm not sure if he donkbet a 7x , if he doesn't then I think my move is good.
There are not that many 7s in his range , 75s and 79s prolly.
He doesn't open T7s for example I think.
If I didn't describe the 53o hand in the OP it's because it was versus a specific player who was raising his straddle way too much.


@ Thunder : if you consider this post a brag because the pot = your bankroll then you're wrong.
My read was good , but who cares ? only range are important.
It's not a badbeat btw , it was a coinflip.


I'd really like to know what's his range when he donkbet.
I made this move because I thought he would prefer a c/r with a 7 but I could be wrong.

edit: I don't know if he opens 56o

I'm just looking to pick off a bluff here and typically call 1 street. I just dont see villain bluffing 2 streets often enough on a board like this since he reps so little and by calling flop, we indicate we have a hand with showdown value.

But you're changing the story now saying maybe he was the SB which changes a lot of things. I mean a BTN isolation raise vs 2 fish and flatting a 3bet is much more logical than him spewing from the SB raising into 3 people and calling 3bets just so he can donk a random flop with a draw. I mean which is it? 1 is fancy play in which we can try to determine a range, the other is just pure donkey in which case he could have anything.

Such a retarted spew

8 handed, 9 handed, 10 handed?

is your reraise for value? if so, are you so much better than your opponent that you can overcome the positional disadvantage given his probable call?

you also need to be able to frame his flop action. this includes the fact that he is talking, his general demeanor, and past direct hand evidence.

i have no idea what you should do here

like, you check, he 125, you 260 if you are confident in having FE after he's polarized his rage and he's intelligent enough to grasp that you threaten massive subsequent action with a very strong range, this doesn't work if you've done this recently and shown down A3s.

or standard lead -> shut down, but only if you think he's really playing his hand face up and will often let you showdown your UI AQ and that you will have some wins in that case

or something else entirely different

seems like you know better than any of us what to do here since you have all this additional information you're not giving us.

I feel Live play can be significantly more situational than online pokers since there's just so much more information available to you at all times. How can we give you good advice on a hand that's all feel/flow/player/image dependent?

seems like this is just a brag/whine/beat/whatever post imo.

Yeah, and after all said and done I would say it's mostly you playing bad, than you getting a badbeat.

So you're PizzaTom! Nice to meet you

On September 02 2010 12:56 YoMeR wrote: seems like you know better than any of us what to do here since you have all this additional information you're not giving us. I feel Live play can be significantly more situational than online pokers since there's just so much more information available to you at all times. How can we give you good advice on a hand that's all feel/flow/player/image dependent? seems like this is just a brag/whine/beat/whatever post imo.

I was and still am really curious what this donkbet means.
For me , donkbet in this spot = weak hand or draw.

So I made this thread to be sure.

Think whatever you want, I just don't care
I'm not here to prove anything , but improve

edit: Oh and wtf lol , THIS IS NOT a badbeat , it's a coinflip Oo

You put him on a draw but you have no made hand so when the money goes in you are flipping at best, why not just call in position and see a turn, if its a brick and he bets again you can jam or you can hit your card and have him bluff it orrrr he can always give up and u check down A high. This is highly unnecessary.