[NL50] Third Barrel?

Villain seems regish. 27/16 over 150 hands. He is not great but I don't think he is retarded. I haven't been in any major pots with him.

Flop is standard cbet I can see him floating with a bunch of random trash here, I think the sb had been playing extremely weak so this is basically a HU pot.

Turn I like to barrel because it is a good card for my perceived range. Villain insta called turn, fast enough to make me think he isn't floating.

River I'm not sure if I want to be firing another barrel or not. I think I can easily represent a ten a big king or a flush here but at the same time I'm not sure if he has enough folds in his range to make it profitable. He can easily have a flush or KJ/KQ here. At the time I thought a ten would make a ton of sense as well but it makes way more sense for a ten to be raising flop or at least turn because the board is getting pretty bad for trips. I guess even hearts would make sense. So I think betting here is good, but how much? 18? 22? Shove? I think KJ/KQ might look me up for 18 maybe 22, but is it worth it to shove over ($38 behind)?

Thoughs on all streets is appreciated.

Submitted by : Venrae

PokerStars Game #48813903356: Holdem No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/08/28 20:54:16 ET
Table Himalia II 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Mandymandy84 ($50.20 in chips)
Seat 2: kenworth97 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Ororrin ($146.20 in chips)
Seat 4: nsdjang ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 5: bassenzian ($54.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Venrae ($103 in chips)
kenworth97: posts small blind $0.25
Ororrin: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Venrae
nsdjang: folds
bassenzian: folds
Venrae: raises $1 to $1.50
Mandymandy84: calls $1.50
kenworth97: folds
Ororrin: calls $1

Flop (Pot : $4.75)

   
Ororrin: checks
Venrae: bets $3
Mandymandy84: calls $3
Ororrin: folds

Turn (Pot : $10.75)

   
Venrae: bets $7.50
Mandymandy84: calls $7.50

River (Pot : $25.75)

   
Venrae:

Ill just chk fold

meh, i'd just c/f since i dunt think he is folding better than a Kx. he MIGHT fold 88 but that's a smaller part of his range than like the clubs FD or Tx.

I would give up at this point. Betting will possibly let you fold out 6x and 88-99, but I don't think people will fold anything stronger enough to make it +EV. The club is also not particularly awesome to bluff because it should hit his perceived range.

I'm not too keen on barreling turn either, mainly because of the equity of our hand is very poor and we are relying almost entirely on FE. Unless he's floating with a TON of garbage and stuff like 22, a lot of his range is probably not folding turn. Bluffing overcards is often the "standard" thing to do, but I think you should always have some equity against villain's perceived range.

If the flop were rainbow, I think betting turn would be fine, except I'd probably bomb it to $9. People don't like folding things like 88 on paired boards.

edit: On that note, if you opt to bet the scare card, you have to make a scary bet unless his range is really weak and he's intending to fold a lot.

i think a bet is good, sizable one

dont like it for the reasons edzwoo stated.

I'd give up river as well.

not a good river imo..check/fold.

I think I like a 3rd barrel, however you should at least pot it or overbet/shove if you're gonna bet river. You also need to have a solid/nitty image to him, but if he's not a retard reg I assume he is paying attention. He can definitely have a T here, no one at NL50 raises trips vs another reg. He should have a T more than anything else. You can have a flush, would be better if you had Ac or Kc. Not really worried about a K. I think if you bet big you can fold out a lot of Ts or even everything worse than a flush. It's very likely he's floating turn very light given even the worst regs know the K is a good card to barrel. On the river even the most lagtard microstake regs become extremely nitty. If you bet like $30 you only need to fold out about 55% of his range to break even. I def don't think a third barrel is that bad. You should err on the side of aggression.

On August 30 2010 15:54 Night2o1 wrote: i think a bet is good, sizable one

Ororrin: checks
Venrae: bets $3
Mandymandy84: calls $3
Ororrin: folds

im pretty sure its only FD's, and a 10 that call this flop. then also call a king on the turn.

3rd barrel is a waste of your money. his range has to b strong here.... hes certainty not trying to bluffcatch multiway....

u dont even have the Ac.

"Villain insta called turn, fast enough to make me think he isn't floating."

uhhhhh FLUSH DRAW??

Yeah I ended up check folding to a half pot bet and felt realllllllllllly bad about it.

Thanks for all the replies guys. It seems general consensus is c/f and turn barrel is iffy but not bad, but river isn't always a c/f if we have history.

decide before river: if x card hit i bet, if y card hit i check/fold

On August 31 2010 21:47 JSquids wrote: [...] u dont even have the Ac.

Anyone remembers the heroes)engage hand?

edit: found it http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/901722/7d,_5d__by_HeRoS)eNGagE.html

On September 01 2010 09:33 MangeJao wrote: decide before river: if x card hit i bet, if y card hit i check/fold

I'm fully aware of this and was done with the hand after the turn bet. The river card gave me the idea of firing a third barrel after the hand was done.

On September 01 2010 11:14 Venrae wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2010 09:33 MangeJao wrote: decide before river: if x card hit i bet, if y card hit i check/fold I'm fully aware of this and was done with the hand after the turn bet. The river card gave me the idea of firing a third barrel after the hand was done.

I WANT TO SEE THIS HAND....