nl100 set play

so no real history with either villain but i'm pretty sure neither is a total that's gonna just spew off randomly. i'm somewat worried about the donk lead on the turn since he could have KJ in his range or a higher set. i'm not sure wat to do. i feel like if i raise and i get shoved on (i'm already commited with a raise)i'm never good but flatting gives such good odds to see a river with any Jack. i'm also somewat worried about the other villain since KJ TT and J8 r all in his calling range pre.

i'm leaning towards raise and calling a shove since i'm commited but i'm confused about sizing? also is my flop raise too small? i have no idea wat the UTG+1 raiser ch/c the flop vs a bet and raise with.

Submitted by : wakamaru

Full Tilt Poker Game #23436958677: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:08:38 ET - 2010/08/28
Seat 1: kouloir ($111.70)
Seat 2: topflop1 ($205.60)
Seat 3: Hero ($284.10)
Seat 4: Andy Pereira ($94.95)
Seat 5: ImApro4 ($65.20)
Seat 6: Ak Mak ($238.60)
Seat 7: Matt A33 ($235.50)
Seat 8: BGlenn10 ($68.50)
Seat 9: trex431 ($108.40)
Andy Pereira posts the small blind of $0.50
ImApro4 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #3

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Ak Mak folds
Matt A33 raises to $3
BGlenn10 folds
trex431 folds
kouloir folds
topflop1 calls $3
Hero calls $3
Andy Pereira calls $2.50
ImApro4 folds

Flop (Pot : $13.00)

   
Andy Pereira checks
Matt A33 checks
topflop1 has 15 seconds left to act
topflop1 bets $4
Hero raises to $12
Andy Pereira folds
Matt A33 calls $12
topflop1 calls $8

Turn (Pot : $49.00)

   
Matt A33 has 15 seconds left to act
Matt A33 bets $25
topflop1 has 15 seconds left to act
topflop1 has requested TIME
topflop1 calls $25
Hero

I don't think much worse is going to give you action on a raise

If you think someone can have J8 here they'll also have a bunch of two pairs, Js, pair+straight draws, and even overpair for the pfr. The 7 is basically a blank, hard to imagine the pfr didn't c-bet a flopped straight but then called a raise and donked the turn with it. The other guy just looks bad. If he can really call pre with J8o he probably has like every Q in his range. I think you can raise turn comfortably. I don't play FR but I can't imagine getting it in 200bbs deep with a set here to be that bad.

Matt's line is so suspicious though. Flatting a raise with someone to act behind, proceed to donkout half pot on a blank with a million bucks behind

That said, on a super dry board, the raise size is fine. On a board like this and 4 to the flop, AND over 2bi deep with a couple of them, a slightly bigger raise would be nice. I think even to 18 or 20 -which would normally be suspiciously big- you probably get snapped by QJ/TJ/9J type hands still

the flop coldcall/turn donk looks super sus, might try and call it down?

On August 28 2010 16:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:I don't play FR but I can't imagine getting it in 200bbs deep with a set here to be that bad.

i cant imagine being good


i assume op called turn and then villain bet pot on the river and showed up w/ QQ or J8s

no, i made it 100 straight and they both TANK folded. the second guy i'm pretty sure just had random shit but i dunno wat the donker had lol. after discussing with some of my friends, we decided raising is standard since he cant realli have a set since he didnt cbet, and i dunt think J8 is in his range so just KJ. ppl dunt realli raise KJ utg+1 so he rarely has that and if he doesn i'm pretty sure he cbets the flop a huge % of the time so given those facts i think stacking on the turn is fine.

People don't raise even KJs from utg+1 in FR?

nope, especially at rush cuz most regs's early position opening is <10. it's like 77+ and like AJ+. i'd say FR is SUBSTANTIALLY tighter than 6m play and this is even more magnified at rush where everyone (myself included) just plays nit.

On August 29 2010 23:39 wakamaru wrote: nope, especially at rush cuz most regs's early position opening is <10. it's like 77+ and like AJ+. i'd say FR is SUBSTANTIALLY tighter than 6m play and this is even more magnified at rush where everyone (myself included) just plays nit.

Well there are a lot of nits but there are definitely a lot of regs that would open KJs UTG.