nl100 AKs oop 200deep

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wakamaru United States. Aug 27 2010 20:36. Posts 236

Submitted by : wakamaru

***** Hand History for Game 23415931213 ***** (Full Tilt)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 27, 07:36:30 ET 2010
Table Adrenaline (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $186.15 USD )
Seat 2: Chomper44 ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 3: pokeyslick ( $135.70 USD )
Seat 4: ddalrock ( $106.05 USD )
Seat 5: player774411 ( $264.95 USD )
Seat 6: wheatrich ( $270.60 USD )
Seat 7: Donatic ( $38.00 USD )
Seat 8: cuzza76 ( $115.90 USD )
Seat 9: jokkemann ( $390.10 USD )
jokkemann posts small blind $0.50 USD.
Hero posts big blind $1.00 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Chomper44 folds
pokeyslick raises $2.00 USD
ddalrock folds
player774411 folds
wheatrich raises $7.50 USD
Donatic folds
cuzza76 folds
jokkemann folds
Hero

the 3bettor is playing 13.5/11.2/4.7 over 420 hands. seems like a standard nitty reg. so we both think pokey could be minraising a TON of hands here but will play straight forward vs the 3bet regardless of wat i do. he's gonna 4bet QQ+ and AK. probably call with 99-JJ and AQs type hands and fold worse. the thing is, i dunt realli know wat to put the villain when he 3bets to such an amount. i'm pretty sure he never has total air here like 57s but i dunno if he does this with TT and watnot.

should i 4bet as a semibluff trying to get off TT or JJ? i'm pretty sure if i flat here he'll give me a pretty strong range too but being OOP and with AK i cant reali do much if i miss. if i cold 4bet here, i'm pretty sure i'm never getting called by a hand i dominate such as AQ or AJ. wat's the optimal line here? i'm not too worried about the original min raiser since if i 4bet and he continues he has nuts and if i flat and he 4bets, he has nuts. if i call and original raiser calls too, i'm pretty sure AK is wayy ahead of his range and put him on pairs as well as AT+ and possibly QK or KJ and some suited connectors and suited aces.

whamm! Albania. Aug 27 2010 20:48. Posts 11625

Last edit: 28/08/2010 18:04

TheHuHu3 United States. Aug 27 2010 21:01. Posts 5544

Flat.

TheHuHu4 coming soon :)

piratematerial Netherlands. Aug 27 2010 22:14. Posts 773

i like a call as well because its suited.

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United States. Aug 27 2010 23:42. Posts 2355

every options sucks besides folding.

maryn Poland. Aug 28 2010 07:56. Posts 1208

On August 27 2010 22:42 AndrewSong wrote:
every options sucks besides folding.

so its a fold?

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Canada. Aug 28 2010 11:13. Posts 20070

cold 4b almost 100% ;-0

this is full ring, people fold everything except KK+, we are expecting to fold out AK/QQ as well ;-0

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Jun Croatia. Aug 28 2010 11:15. Posts 825

AKs>AA

Life is a coinflip

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Canada. Aug 28 2010 11:18. Posts 20070

also cold 4b AQ

TimDawg

United States. Aug 28 2010 13:19. Posts 10197

why would we want to fold out everything by 4betting?

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terrybunny19240 United States. Aug 28 2010 13:24. Posts 13829

because then... we win the pot

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United States. Aug 28 2010 15:36. Posts 2355

On August 28 2010 10:13 TalentedTom wrote:
cold 4b almost 100% ;-0

this is full ring, people fold everything except KK+, we are expecting to fold out AK/QQ as well ;-0

lol no, this is a very easy muck. Sure, u can cold 4bet here too but saying its 100% is plain bad advice. 4betting AK here is same as 4betting 72o. Only difference it makes is the blockers. If you play enough full ring, u'll start realizing that MP is literally handcuffed with 3betting range in MP. Don't even know how you come up with QQ/AK in his range and even if it is, it's 100NL. If its a reg that's incompetent enough to 3bet QQ against UTG+1 in MP, it's foolish for you to think he's gonna muck it.

whamm! Albania. Aug 28 2010 18:02. Posts 11625

i almost never read a hand correctly here lol.

i didnt notice it was fr , and ur acting cold 3way. yeah id flat if this was hu and facing a 3bet 140bbs deep, but in this spot yeah just fold. sorry

Last edit: 28/08/2010 18:06

YoMeR United States. Aug 30 2010 13:16. Posts 12438

i'd prob turbo muck.

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EvilSky

Czech Republic. Aug 30 2010 19:20. Posts 8918

Cold call, play postflop mostly straight up.

wakamaru United States. Aug 30 2010 20:35. Posts 236

i feel like coldcalling is massive -ev since he's cbetting a ton and i'm c/f like 2/3rds of the time. also if i hit, i cant expect to extract much value since i'm oop and the SPR is relatively high. but coldcalling does permit me to save money if the OR 4bet squeezes us and also it tempts him to call loose as well with a range i beat.

X sawseech Canada. Aug 31 2010 03:37. Posts 3182

my thought process:

AKs. good hand. raise.

lets go fucking mental la la la la lets go fucking mental lets go fucking mental lala la la

handbanana21 United States. Aug 31 2010 23:24. Posts 3037

the positions suck. Just fold. You wont make any money cold calling with ak in the bb anyways. The 3bettor never does this with aq esp at 100nl. Either win a small pot or get owned for a huge one if u hit ur a or k.

X sawseech Canada. Sep 01 2010 02:11. Posts 3182

or, like, flop a flush or 2p or a straight or, like, an ace or a king and win or do something like, bluff successfully all of which are of course impossible because the positions suck

lets go fucking mental la la la la lets go fucking mental lets go fucking mental lala la la

handbanana21 United States. Sep 01 2010 17:59. Posts 3037

On September 01 2010 01:11 sawseech wrote:
or, like, flop a flush or 2p or a straight or, like, an ace or a king and win or do something like, bluff successfully all of which are of course impossible because the positions suck

sarcasm radar on.. you dont even play fullring do u?