100NL Turn Play

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his min raise is a standard raise.

when i shuv turn, do i not fold out all single pair hands, low pair + draw type hands aswell as taxing the draws who wanna gamble ?

there are very few hands that crush me that he flats flop...

do i still have enuff equity to shuv???


any thoughts on this shuv....

just call turn imo, and decide what to do on river depending on card/action from him, i dont really see any point in shoving except getting called by better hands. He seems like a donk so i dont think he ever folds hands that beats you after taking this line.

You are not afraid of one single draw out there so no need to shove because of that reason.

He has JJ here, call for flush odds. No one's minraising/folding turn and no one's raising turn with a pair or a draw. If in the off chance he peeled flop with a backdoor non nut draw he's 100% calling turn instead of raising. Same if he has a better ace.

Unless he just clicks buttons, in that case you have the nuts here and there's no question.

Basically in this situation I will mash the call button to showdown unless I'm certain he's never doing this as a bluff. Then I fold missed rivers.

Shoving is probably +EV with FE and the sheer equity of your hand, but like Balzamon says I don't see much point in shoving in this spot unless he has like exactly a combo draw, cause it would be pretty whack if he min raised worse for value.

why would u shove, you have 0 fold equity here. you got a birrion outs why not get paid when you hit, and fold when u miss?

This is one of the easiest shoves in the world. Obv Alex23rus1 minraise is KQ all day long. And he will prob snap call the shove with his gutshot.

Well played

On August 22 2010 08:41 Sectral wrote: This is one of the easiest shoves in the world. Obv Alex23rus1 minraise is KQ all day long. And he will prob snap call the shove with his gutshot. Well played

your an asshole and he never shows up with KQo here.

On August 22 2010 08:41 Sectral wrote: This is one of the easiest shoves in the world. Obv Alex23rus1 minraise is KQ all day long. And he will prob snap call the shove with his gutshot. Well played

Who the fuck are you?

given that villains takes this minraise line a lot and does it with a wider range then just nutslike hand i would pass up the great odds we get on the call and also go for the shove.

that you are OOP helps a little with that choice.

i shove here mostly becuase of that reason...im oop.. what happens if the riv bricks, i check and he shuvs his missed draw or weaker pair n missed draw... im folding the best hand...

On August 22 2010 10:39 JSquids wrote: i shove here mostly becuase of that reason...im oop.. what happens if the riv bricks, i check and he shuvs his missed draw or weaker pair n missed draw... im folding the best hand...

this reasoning is incorrect, call call is WAYYY better then shove (asuming you wanna get the money in)

On August 22 2010 11:15 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2010 10:39 JSquids wrote: i shove here mostly becuase of that reason...im oop.. what happens if the riv bricks, i check and he shuvs his missed draw or weaker pair n missed draw... im folding the best hand... this reasoning is incorrect, call call is WAYYY better then shove (asuming you wanna get the money in)

well if i brick riv, im not really looking to get the money in.

On August 22 2010 11:40 JSquids wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2010 11:15 TalentedTom wrote:   On August 22 2010 10:39 JSquids wrote: i shove here mostly becuase of that reason...im oop.. what happens if the riv bricks, i check and he shuvs his missed draw or weaker pair n missed draw... im folding the best hand... this reasoning is incorrect, call call is WAYYY better then shove (asuming you wanna get the money in) well if i brick riv, im not really looking to get the money in.

calling turn / calling blanc river is MUCH more profitable then just shoving turn - you are getting money in both ways, but the 2nd one has much higher compared to 2nd one, not saying you should be calling blanc river though - But calling turn is something you should be doing almost always

On August 22 2010 10:39 JSquids wrote: i shove here mostly becuase of that reason...im oop.. what happens if the riv bricks, i check and he shuvs his missed draw or weaker pair n missed draw... im folding the best hand...

Thats dangerous thinking. I see many newer players at the tables simply betting because they dont want to think about check calling or check folding even though amount risked is exactly same. I sometimes do it in certain situations then feel foolish after.

If there is no value in a shove from either a value standpoint or a bluff standpoint dont do it.

Not read any replies. He has an Ace that's better than yours most of the time, or a set (don't think he has that), and he ain't folding often to the shove. I think better to call, try get it in if an 8 or flush completes on the river. You're behind here most of the time, I often raise/shove in similar spots, but here he raises because he wants to protect his hand from straight draws and the board got scary with a f-draw, or just because he thinks he has the best hand and want to win more money.

That's what I think

yeah call/call or call/fold. dont shove turn