NL25 playing the nuts, noob thread

im huge noob kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

opener pitpantal is playing 8/8 over like 80 hands,
try2bluff is playing 24/22 been active.
decided to flat 3b in sb, cause pitpantal is uber tights.

Submitted by : ChrisKim47

***** Hand History for Game 48115931204 ***** Poker Stars
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 13, 06:14:35 ET 2010
Table Dorado IV Real Money
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: pitpantal $25.13 USD
Seat 2: TRY2BLUFFM3 $26.35 USD
Seat 3: Hero $61.18 USD
Seat 5: titapriest $19.65 USD
Seat 6: yurbas-39 $30.49 USD
Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
titapriest posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
yurbas-39 folds
pitpantal raises [$1.00 USD]
TRY2BLUFFM3 raises [$3.00 USD]
Hero calls [$2.90 USD]
titapriest folds
pitpantal calls [$2.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $9.25)

   
Hero checks
pitpantal checks
TRY2BLUFFM3 bets [$4.75 USD]
Hero calls [$4.75 USD]
pitpantal folds

Turn (Pot : $18.75)

   
Hero ?

lol at checkin the flop, lets just start with that

? checking the flop is fine.

paste into the hand converter on the right then post it in the thread with [ hand=###### ] without the spaces.

ok lol figured it out CROWD PLEASER

Sometimes I'll c/r flop here. Sometimes I'll call it and bet out turn.

while I still have everyone's attention, what if 8/8 guy was out of the hand, and Try2bluffme opens on the button.
I 3b and fire a cb on that board.

Since that board is such a good board to CB, and he likely doesn't have much, are u ever gonna deviate from bet bet bet oop against this guy?
He 3bets a good amount, and I don't know that I recall him calling 3bets too much though, but over the long run, I'm assuming this is the type of guy to call 3bets ip with a wide range.

I think villain would bet more on the flop with a pair. Your call on the flop oop 3 way is pretty strong so I doubt he's gonna fire another barrel as a bluff especially on that turn card. Even if villain has KK here he might check it back because NL25 regs are pussies. If he has a flush draw he'll probably check back also to take the free card. If he has the NFD he might jam if he likes to bring the noise as stack sizes are perfect for that but by default I would assume he's on the passive side.

For those reasons I like leading out on turn so you can get stacks in by the river. You don't have to bet very big. $10 is fine since you would give him a 3:1 but he only has 16% equity if he does have a flush draw. His flop c-bet bet made the pot size really awkward as villain has exactly a psb on turn.

I'm not sure about c/rsing flop but what I know is a lot of regs monkey c-bet after 3betting. So even though there's a possible nit and you who I assume has a solid image in the pot with villain, when villain bets half pot on flop the majority of his range is still gonna be air since this board is pretty hard to hit. If he bets bigger on the flop then c/r is probably better since his range is stronger and he gets better odds to call.

On August 13 2010 19:15 ChrisKim47 wrote: while I still have everyone's attention, what if 8/8 guy was out of the hand, and Try2bluffme opens on the button. I 3b and fire a cb on that board. Since that board is such a good board to CB, and he likely doesn't have much, are u ever gonna deviate from bet bet bet oop against this guy? He 3bets a good amount, and I don't know that I recall him calling 3bets too much though, but over the long run, I'm assuming this is the type of guy to call 3bets ip with a wide range.

In that scenario there should be no other line in your repertoire besides bet/bet/shove.

On August 13 2010 17:42 ChrisKim47 wrote: im huge noob kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk opener pitpantal is playing 8/8 over like 80 hands, try2bluff is playing 24/22 been active. decided to flat 3b in sb, cause pitpantal is uber tights. Submitted by : ChrisKim47 ***** Hand History for Game 48115931204 ***** Poker Stars $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 13, 06:14:35 ET 2010 Table Dorado IV Real Money Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: pitpantal $25.13 USD Seat 2: TRY2BLUFFM3 $26.35 USD Seat 3: Hero $61.18 USD Seat 5: titapriest $19.65 USD Seat 6: yurbas-39 $30.49 USD Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD]. titapriest posts big blind [$0.25 USD]. Holecards Dealt to Hero [ ] yurbas-39 folds pitpantal raises [$1.00 USD] TRY2BLUFFM3 raises [$3.00 USD] Hero calls [$2.90 USD] titapriest folds pitpantal calls [$2.00 USD] Flop (Pot : $9.25)     Hero checks pitpantal checks TRY2BLUFFM3 bets [$4.75 USD] Hero calls [$4.75 USD] pitpantal folds Turn (Pot : $18.75)     Hero ? im kinda lost in this hand. is c/r ever a good play here on the flop? if i c/c and check turn, im only getting action from KK AA AQ, maybe JJ, and sometimes AK right? so what? donk turn?

Bet out or check raise, in this case check raise . You could more or less count on someone betting behind you. There was both a str8 and flush draw on the flop. This was not a limb fest pre-flop, so shove AI. You'll get calls from the draws, from over pairs and middle or bottom sets. They'll call you often when you do an AI shove at $25 SHNL so make them pay their stacks to stay in. If you had a more passive player behind you, you would have had to bet out here rather than check raise.

c/call turn and c/shove river. all value hands like AA KK AQ are going to bet this turn and b/call on the river. also this allows a guy named try2bluffm3 to bluff. if he checks turn he most likely has a pp 88-JJ or is done with the hand. either way you are not gonna make more than 1 street of value normally. so bet something callable on the river.

On August 13 2010 19:43 zulu_nation8 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 19:15 ChrisKim47 wrote: while I still have everyone's attention, what if 8/8 guy was out of the hand, and Try2bluffme opens on the button. I 3b and fire a cb on that board. Since that board is such a good board to CB, and he likely doesn't have much, are u ever gonna deviate from bet bet bet oop against this guy? He 3bets a good amount, and I don't know that I recall him calling 3bets too much though, but over the long run, I'm assuming this is the type of guy to call 3bets ip with a wide range. In that scenario there should be no other line in your repertoire besides bet/bet/shove.

this is bad advice. just because villain starts out with a wide range doesn't mean he will end up on the river with an equally wide range.

what you probably mean is that you should 3 bet and depolarize your range, as well as cbet lots of flops and turns. An automatic river shove though isn't standard or recommended blindly though as blanket advice imo.

what i meant is we should bet/bet/bet with the nuts, I fail to see how that's bad advice.

wtf is depolarizing range, we have no idea how this guy defends in 3bet pots. We shouldn't bet/bet/shove with nuts in a 3bet pot as blanket advice but we should depolarize our range and cbet lots of flops and turns. We also shouldn't shove the 3rd street when villain has 1/3 of pot left in a 3bet pot, we should c/r instead?

Depolarising ranges and balance are completely irrelevant here. I've definitely posted in threads like these and used concepts like that to further justify some of my advice but in actuality I'm just an OCD faggot that way overuses those concepts for no reason other than being OCD. In truth those concepts don't matter at all in spots like this, particularly against players at these limits who are not playing anything besides their 2 cards + the board. If some kid has TP+ here you're always going to stack him providing you make sure money goes in before a scarecard comes (Probably a K would be the only card to scare someone from stacking off AQ here for example, so it might not be a huge worry, but it's something to think about and will effect your decision on whether to slowplay or not). Even if you're never actually showing up with a hand worse than Qx here doesn't mean they won't bet/call Qx, because it's a 3bet pot and they have top pair and that's all most people need. That being said, since there's a 3rd person in the hand who could easily be atrocious and could be likely to commit chips with any pocket pair etc, slowplaying enables you to trap some of his $ that you won't get if you check shove due to relative position. One way to go about this would be to donkbet the flop to try and trap pitpanpal in between you and the 3bettor, attempting to have pitpanpal flat with any pair and then have TRY2BLUFFM3 jam AQ+. You didn't include TRY2BLUFFM3's 3bet %, but if it's high and he's liable to cbet any shit he has here even 3way a lot of the time then that's something to weigh up too - it would obviously give you more incentive to check to him to get the extra $ from his cbet bluffs that he won't get the chance to make if you donkbet for instance. These are some of the things you need to weigh up, balancing your range or trying to "depolarise" your range has nothing to do with it, it's merely figuring out TRY2BLUFFM3 and pitpanpal's ranges and figuring out how the hand is likely to play out if you check/call vs check/raise vs donkbet and use that to plan the hand and thus take the line which you perceive to be the best of the 3.

I like c/r flop.

c/r as ur oop.
call would be better ip

From what I've seen try2bluffm3 is active 3b like 10%, and does it IP alot, which makes his CB range pretty wide (plus ive seen him cb alot as 3btr).

say it goes chk chk, try2 cbets, i c/c, and SAY NIT pinpal calls too.
am i right in thinking to donk the turn cause of the draws out there, cause try2 cb too much? I think that sounds right.

sorry but another question totally related.................... fuck im such a newb.

played a live game yesterday.

call nits UTG, its heads up

9 6 3 RAINBOWZ
i flat ip w TOP SET lulz, sigh..........

9 6 3 4 (maybe a backdoor fd) (130$)
this guy doesnt cb LET ALONE double cb EVER, like he never does this w AK, he makes it 1/2 pot (65$)

we both have effectively 600$ behind after calling turn....

Any benefits in raising here on the turn? please explain
-just started the table so, havent shown down bluffs yet.


9 6 3 4 T brick on river (260$)
-if he bets 1/2 pot again its an easy shove w like 5th nuts
-What's your sizing on the river if he checks, but you read that he has some sort of PP, usually on the bigger end.