2 hands deep in 3.30+R

JR is 28/26.
very Laggish, opens alot, 3bets alot- 23% (11/48 sample), and even seen 4bet light and call 4bets light.
darogio is 29/26 7% 3bet (2/29), has been active too. he's pretty solid and seems aware to stack sizes, resteal ranges etc.
Submitted by : rozyboy

PokerStars Game #46743185470: Tournament #321010512, $3.00+$0.30 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XXXIV (60000/120000) - 2010/07/14 6:41:59 EET [2010/07/13 23:41:59 ET]
Table 321010512 526 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (5219686 in chips)
Seat 2: drackar (1369480 in chips)
Seat 3: zwerdes (2619063 in chips)
Seat 5: rama1972 (1270000 in chips)
Seat 6: JR Hamilsbac (4257629 in chips)
Seat 9: darogio (2611072 in chips)
Hero: posts the ante 12000
drackar: posts the ante 12000
zwerdes: posts the ante 12000
rama1972: posts the ante 12000
JR Hamilsbac: posts the ante 12000
darogio: posts the ante 12000
darogio: posts small blind 60000
Hero: posts big blind 120000

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
drackar: folds
zwerdes: folds
rama1972: folds
JR Hamilsbac: raises 175000 to 295000
darogio: raises 2304072 to 2599072 and is all-in

PokerStars Game #46743650966: Tournament #321010512, $3.00+$0.30 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XXXIV (60000/120000) - 2010/07/14 7:01:26 EET [2010/07/14 0:01:26 ET]
Table 321010512 526 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (2488264 in chips)
Seat 2: drackar (2507480 in chips)
Seat 3: zwerdes (3525413 in chips)
Seat 4: sava is god (1741666 in chips)
Seat 6: JR Hamilsbac (3542629 in chips)
Seat 9: darogio (5019144 in chips)
Hero: posts the ante 12000
drackar: posts the ante 12000
zwerdes: posts the ante 12000
sava is god: posts the ante 12000
JR Hamilsbac: posts the ante 12000
darogio: posts the ante 12000
JR Hamilsbac: posts small blind 60000
darogio: posts big blind 120000

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises 153400 to 273400
drackar: folds
zwerdes: folds
sava is god: folds
JR Hamilsbac: folds
darogio: raises 4733744 to 5007144 and is all-in

hand 1 is a snap call
hand 2 u shouldn't open shove, with 20bb you can still raise in early position and fold if a nit 3bets you but against this guy I snap so quick that a brake my mouse

On July 14 2010 00:18 tutz_x wrote: hand 1 is a snap call hand 2 u shouldn't open shove, with 20bb you can still raise in early position and fold if a nit 3bets you but against this guy I snap so quick that a brake my mouse

lol was actually thinking the same thing about hand 2.

20 bb in hand 1, I think it's a call anyway given the dynamic. I hate calling that deep with a hand like AJ, but it can't be bad really either.

ok thanks, that's really good to hear...
though you are not doing this vs TAGs i guess right?

I don't like calling with AJ in hand 1 but since you're at like 9bb it's fine to ship
hand 2 is def a fold

edit:
I'm a retard and misread the blinds. Hand 1 is def a fold to a 3 bet

Hand 1 is an easy shove using those stats, especially since JR calls 4bets light. Even if he called tightly you might still be fine calling although ICM could swing the decision.
Hand 2 if the guy is 10% 3bet, and you raised UTG, looks like an easy enough fold.

I doubt I'm folding either.

On July 14 2010 09:28 AznFisherman wrote: I don't like calling with AJ in hand 1 but since you're at like 9bb it's fine to ship hand 2 is def a fold

hand 1 is like 20 bb effective vs SB and 40+ bb effective vs the original raiser

Fold hand 1, call hand 2.

Srsly... hand1 is a fold; sure its a 20bb ship, but ur stack is ~50bb and there is no reason to get it in with AJ given the action.

Hand2 is a borderline fold imo, don't really care either way though, depends on more reads. I fold 80% i think.

On July 15 2010 22:29 hallizh wrote: Srsly... hand1 is a fold; sure its a 20bb ship, but ur stack is ~50bb and there is no reason to get it in with AJ given the action. Hand2 is a borderline fold imo, don't really care either way though, depends on more reads. I fold 80% i think.

Pretty sure if we ISO shove AJ we won't get called more than like 5% of the time from the button's opening range, although folding is definitely safer, I think a shove is better.

well I might fold the first considering I would assume I was best at the table and get chips easier. but with those reads you gave it sounds way +ev to get it in

On July 16 2010 05:54 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: well I might fold the first considering I would assume I was best at the table and get chips easier. but with those reads you gave it sounds way +ev to get it in

nitttttttttt Come on, AJ crushes his SB resteal range vs BTN open.

I think most agree both spots are prob +EV
I guess this is an $EV-vs-cEV decision, Im always the worst at taking ICM into account and all that stuff.
Considering we are 10-15 players left, and that places 10-15th get like 300$, and first gets 10K$~: should these be easy folds?

On July 16 2010 22:31 rozyboy wrote: I think most agree both spots are prob +EV I guess this is an $EV-vs-cEV decision, Im always the worst at taking ICM into account and all that stuff. Considering we are 10-15 players left, and that places 10-15th get like 300$, and first gets 10K$~: should these be easy folds?

If it is very skewed towards the top it means you should NOT fold?

I'm all for accumulating chips for the final table, ppl shouldn't be scared in these final stages since the payout is so top-heavy(top3 that is) and we play these MTT's to win them, not to get blinded down to 9th or something.

But i think hand1 is as fold, unless the players with you are solid then you can snapshove it.