AQ by thewh00sel

Submitted by : thewh00sel

PokerStars Game #46081049868: Tournament #317020018, $500+$30 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2010/06/27 21:22:54 PT [2010/06/28 0:22:54 ET]
Table 317020018 31 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: mapp888 (210689 in chips)
Seat 2: Bruno GT (524319 in chips)
Seat 3: SCTrojans (200425 in chips)
Seat 4: a$$ou (341900 in chips)
Seat 5: jacob elias (60765 in chips)
Seat 6: Roxx Box (409661 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero (460582 in chips)
Seat 8: Kovalski1 (423559 in chips)
Seat 9: J0hnny_Dr@m@ (467172 in chips)
mapp888: posts the ante 800
Bruno GT: posts the ante 800
SCTrojans: posts the ante 800
a$$ou: posts the ante 800
jacob elias: posts the ante 800
Roxx Box: posts the ante 800
Hero: posts the ante 800
Kovalski1: posts the ante 800
J0hnny_Dr@m@: posts the ante 800
Hero: posts small blind 4000
Kovalski1: posts big blind 8000

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
J0hnny_Dr@m@: folds
mapp888: folds
Bruno GT: folds
SCTrojans: folds
a$$ou: folds
jacob elias: raises 51965 to 59965 and is all-in
Roxx Box: calls 59965
Hero:

hes a habitual flatter, small hand sample 8-9% 3b shover is wide obv

I think I would make 140K here to isolate the allin guy... if Roxx Box shove I dunno, probably... fold?

You can't make it almost 20 bb then fold to a shove...

I think all three options here are possible given description of the villain, but probably more towards shove or fold.

I would like to hear thoughts from better mtt players.

My first natural instinct is - Dead money - shove. But giving that we're 55-60 bbs deep, I'm not sure how good that is. Looking at the hand again, I guess calling will just probably induce a shove from Kovalski1?

On June 28 2010 01:57 TheHuHu3 wrote: You can't make it almost 20 bb then fold to a shove... I think all three options here are possible given description of the villain, but probably more towards shove or fold.

yeah I know its kinda bad but meh... I mean... I hate shoving AQ 50bb deep but that flat from roxx boxx is so weird. a smart player would flat AA, KK, QQ there allday to induce something. folding is blah too... so I GUESS making 140k and if the roxx boxx comes over the top then I would go deep into the tank lol

On June 28 2010 09:29 tutz_x wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2010 01:57 TheHuHu3 wrote: You can't make it almost 20 bb then fold to a shove... I think all three options here are possible given description of the villain, but probably more towards shove or fold. yeah I know its kinda bad but meh... I mean... I hate shoving AQ 50bb deep but that flat from roxx boxx is so weird. a smart player would flat AA, KK, QQ there allday to induce something. folding is blah too... so I GUESS making 140k and if the roxx boxx comes over the top then I would go deep into the tank lol

At that point u have the odds to call anything except AA and AK. You have necessary odds even againt QQ/KK.

pretty meh lol. I'm not sure what I would do here. I dunno how much I like putting in 150 then folding. And I think he would probably 4bet 99+/AQ+. I dunno I'd like to hear some opinions on this as well.

PS. You musta went deep b/c I was watching the FT for a while and I think 3 of these players were there.

dead money, I shove

he probably isnt flatting AK there ever too

I shoved, he called with AKcc i lost; sadface.

I would flat here ;0 the cool thing about dead sidepots is that no1 bluffs into them, Roxx Box and you would end up checking this down like 70%+ of the time. I think flatting something like 88-TT/KQs is also ideal here

these types of spots are super trivial to play postflop IMO

whats wrong w/ call/checkdown in this spot ?

agreed with TT. i still get fucked if an ace flops but people really never bluff you out of the pot.

It's either a 3bet or a call, never a fold unless Roxx is retarded.

I probably call here 90% of the time given stack sizes.

i think if ur gonna call you should be leading at like 100% of flops to push rox out and play vs the all in guy. It's not a check-down spot at all, you need those chips and you are a lot more likely to get them vs just one guy with a guaranteed worse hand than the caller.

do you ever just flat here with AA then donk out any flop? kinda like a stop and go or whateverr they call it. i think bank/flatting then bank//shipping all flops is a pretty solid line overall that puts rox in the sick spot and still keeps you ahead of the shippers range.

I think u got it whoosel. Original shover has such a wide range that if we call we should plan to bluff at the empty sidepot almost always. Being oop and up vs an opponent who can be flatting a huge range, this seems pretty brutal and it will be easy to get lost on a lot of flops if flatted. For that reason, I really like shoving pre-we are ahead of both players and we can def get the flatter to fold a ton of mid pps and immediately take away his equity in the hand. If we are in position postflop (flatter is in sb and we are bb for example), I like calling much more. I really hate 3betting smallish btw. It can induce shoves and I don't want to put in 130k and fold.