$3 45manSNG FT decision

Is this push a good push given the stacksizes of everyone

Submitted by : halflinggenius

PokerStars Game #45630577470: Tournament #283660478, $3.00+$0.25 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2010/06/17 9:00:54 PT [2010/06/17 12:00:54 ET]
Table 283660478 5 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: Studepep (3997 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero (15696 in chips)
Seat 5: teradojo (9558 in chips)
Seat 6: garlopa7 (6840 in chips)
Seat 7: dagolu (11497 in chips)
Seat 8: abejeras4D (10475 in chips)
Seat 9: totoetlolo (9437 in chips)
Studepep: posts the ante 75
Hero: posts the ante 75
teradojo: posts the ante 75
garlopa7: posts the ante 75
dagolu: posts the ante 75
abejeras4D: posts the ante 75
totoetlolo: posts the ante 75
dagolu: posts small blind 600
abejeras4D: posts big blind 1200

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
totoetlolo: folds
Studepep has timed out
Studepep: folds
Studepep is sitting out
Studepep has returned
Hero: raises 14421 to 15621 and is all-in
teradojo: folds
garlopa7: folds
dagolu: folds
abejeras4D: calls 9200 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (5221) returned to Hero

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $21,925.00)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $21,925.00)

   

River (Pot : $21,925.00)

   

Showdown
abejeras4D: shows (three of a kind, Queens)
Hero: shows (a pair of Kings)
abejeras4D collected 21925 from pot

Summary
Total pot 21925 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 3: Studepep folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: teradojo folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: garlopa7 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: dagolu (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: abejeras4D (big blind) showed and won (21925) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 9: totoetlolo folded before Flop (didnt bet)

Do not like.

awful decision. just fold. this is a really bad spot to steal with this hand.

Ewwwwwww.

I push there too, and I'm probably the only person who actually plays 45 mans other than you. It's 7 handed, which means you just got ITM, in 45 mans, people have to call very tight to climb the payout ranks, so if you have a read that toto dagolu and abejeras aren't going to snap you with like A4o or something retarded, then you can push because you're picking up 2kish chips for a steal. Without reads, you can definitely fold and find a better spot later.

Actually shit, for some reason thought you were on button, kinda hungover lol. I'd push from the button, not from hijack.

qj yes, k6 no

Hell no!!

no, sir.

it was a good shove, just unlucky that he catched the river

On June 17 2010 15:49 Fujikura wrote: Actually shit, for some reason thought you were on button, kinda hungover lol. I'd push from the button, not from hijack.

You can't even push from the button equitably.

Yeah don't like this play at all

On June 18 2010 15:01 jchysk wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2010 15:49 Fujikura wrote: Actually shit, for some reason thought you were on button, kinda hungover lol. I'd push from the button, not from hijack. You can't even push from the button equitably.

so if the small blind folds 90% of the time and big blind 80% of the time, this is unprofitable?
cool story bro

On June 18 2010 15:01 jchysk wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2010 15:49 Fujikura wrote: Actually shit, for some reason thought you were on button, kinda hungover lol. I'd push from the button, not from hijack. You can't even push from the button equitably.

I push from the button every time because K blocker is pretty strong. This is only a 45 man tournament, maybe you should use SNG Wizard and check it yourself if you don't think it's a push from the button.

i think it's pretty bad in that based on the blinds and sizes, if you just sit around for 2 or 3 orbits half the table will be gone and in that amount of time you will a) have better spots to steal b) get a premium hand or c) simply get blinded down to about around 10k and still be in fine position to win this thing.

On June 18 2010 22:42 Zep wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2010 15:01 jchysk wrote:   On June 17 2010 15:49 Fujikura wrote: Actually shit, for some reason thought you were on button, kinda hungover lol. I'd push from the button, not from hijack. You can't even push from the button equitably. so if the small blind folds 90% of the time and big blind 80% of the time, this is unprofitable? cool story bro

I went through and did some of the calculations. With 90% and 80% fold rates for SB and BB respectively:
ICM if you fold: ~18.0%
ICM if you win blinds: ~19.4%
ICM if called by SB 10% and BB 20%:
.709 + .713 + 1.482 + 1.284 + 13.968 = 18.156, although I'm not including BB overcall.
So, I may be wrong if those are the ranges, but for a $3 45-man that's a $0.21 equity differential which is probably lost when you do the rest of the math. But anyway since it's at best a break even play on the button it's a clear fold on the cutoff which answers the original question.

oh
well given the sizes of stacks after u, this is pretty borderline

could someone with SngWizard please post the correct pushing ranges for button and hijack? My gut feeling is K6 is probably a push from btn and a fold from the hijack and it's close.

not bad is horrible!!!

i dont mind that to steal blinds or something from button or HJ ut that early is really bad