in between 2 nits

On May 04 2010 03:06 Rekrul wrote: range merging is very important against random retarded shortstackers

especially against ppl i don't have much history against+++


also:
sarcastic Rekrul >>>> troll Rekrul

but i can't give u too much credit, since most people here are retards trolling by accident and i'm pretty sure that's the only reason why u ddin't troll ;p

On May 04 2010 00:20 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 10:12 NMcNasty wrote: bet turn for deception bet turn for range merge / value, if the only hand we ever bet teh turn with is a flush there is a problem with our range

logic fail, you do realize that if we don't bet the turn with a set that doesn't mean we're only betting with a flush

On May 04 2010 11:52 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2010 03:06 Rekrul wrote: range merging is very important against random retarded shortstackers especially against ppl i don't have much history against+++

then flatting the flop is bad, assuming gutshot will also slow the action (2/3/club) this means 33%+ of turns will shut down the action. if range balancing dosnt matter + you have no history then slowplaying this flop is not optimal

should we play a game theoretical optimal strategy vs these nits or try to increase the chance of getting 1 more bet in since they're shallow anyway?

On May 04 2010 21:13 Steal City wrote: should we play a game theoretical optimal strategy vs these nits or try to increase the chance of getting 1 more bet in since they're shallow anyway?

how are we going to get 1 more bet if they dont have shit, not like theyre gonna bluff. the only way ur gonna get any more money is to just follow the basic principle of getting enough money in before a scare card hits, and thats just simply raising flop.

On May 04 2010 22:12 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2010 21:13 Steal City wrote: should we play a game theoretical optimal strategy vs these nits or try to increase the chance of getting 1 more bet in since they're shallow anyway? how are we going to get 1 more bet if they dont have shit, not like theyre gonna bluff. the only way ur gonna get any more money is to just follow the basic principle of getting enough money in before a scare card hits, and thats just simply raising flop.

yeah this id also raise the flop, since when did 40bb poker get so complicated

but Donald,

how can he put u on a set...

if you bet the turn

On May 05 2010 10:16 NMcNasty wrote: but Donald, how can he put u on a set... if you bet the turn

if he puts me on a flush, what's the difference

in all seriousness bet turn, Ace with a club or pair with a club is a much larger part of villains ranges than a flush. If you're not getting value you're protecting you're hand. There's almost no chance of a bluff checkraise and villains probably wont shove over with small flushes either, so there's very little downside to betting.

Check behind if called. As played bet/fold all day even vs nits, this is 5/10.

On May 05 2010 10:30 NMcNasty wrote: in all seriousness bet turn, Ace with a club or pair with a club is a much larger part of villains ranges than a flush. If you're not getting value you're protecting you're hand. There's almost no chance of a bluff checkraise and villains probably wont shove over with small flushes either, so there's very little downside to betting. Check behind if called. As played bet/fold all day even vs nits, this is 5/10.

its 10/20 hes only like 40bbs deep with the tyullk guy

ah stack sizes made it look like 5/10 for a sec, still bet.

im on the obvious raise train, if nits don't have an A they will just shut down on turn, if they have it its much more easy to stack them on the flop

people stacks off lighter when stacks are 50bb deep... obviously...

I don't think I'd ever do anything else than raise flop here

On May 06 2010 00:47 Fayth wrote: people stacks off lighter when stacks are 50bb deep... obviously... I don't think I'd ever do anything else than raise flop here

Don't know why this hand would be 'complicated' at all :/.

you think that because turn came a club

yea i have to check raise flop but i still haven't found a way to do that on the button yet.

i think you are the one who can tell me!

Bet like $150-250 on river if checked to. Fold to potsize / overbets from either player. Flat call anything else from one player. Don't overcall a bet & a call unless they bet some retardedly small amount.

But I don't ever get into this spot... this is a spot where I always raise the flop with your particular hand. And if I don't raise flop I'll usually bet this turn when checked to. I only lean towards flatting these spots if a.) I'm heads-up in position and b.) the effective stacks are ~50bbs or less.

Oh wtf this is 10/20... this game looks like it's playing like 5/10

I will raise flop 100%

as played I'd bet 225 and fold to a raise