in between 2 nits

I don't have my hud running but both guys seem nitty esp TylluK who is to my right and who's nit status is more important in this hand imo. He's a short stacker who has doubled up I believe.

Submitted by : Steal City

PokerStars Game #35635773: Holdem No Limit ($10/$20 USD) - 2010/05/01 9:37:15 ET
Table Isabella II 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: MuckeDBoY ($1000 in chips)
Seat 2: TyIIuK ($785 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($1174 in chips)
Seat 4: HAYLEYJAY33 ($1010 in chips)
Seat 5: amazingoid ($1957 in chips)
Seat 6: isachris72 ($945 in chips)
HAYLEYJAY33: posts small blind $10
amazingoid: posts big blind $20

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
isachris72: folds
MuckeDBoY: folds
TyIIuK: raises $30 to $50
Hero: calls $50
HAYLEYJAY33: calls $40
amazingoid: folds

Flop (Pot : $170.00)

   
HAYLEYJAY33: checks
TyIIuK: bets $90
Hero: calls $90
HAYLEYJAY33: calls $90

Turn (Pot : $440.00)

   
HAYLEYJAY33: checks
TyIIuK: checks
Hero: checks

River (Pot : $440.00)

   

my god man, whats with the flop call ?

bump

On May 01 2010 10:16 EvilSky wrote: my god man, whats with the flop call ?

you are saying that because turn came a club

by in for 2000$ you nit!

On May 01 2010 22:43 royalsu wrote: by in for 2000$ you nit!

i was about to say... what's with the stack sizes :o

fold to anything >250 if hayley bets
i don't see tylluk betting here often but i'm prolly calling if he does

bet 160ish if checked to

maybe it's 20-50bb table :o, most players have around that range.

On May 01 2010 21:04 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2010 10:16 EvilSky wrote: my god man, whats with the flop call ? you are saying that because turn came a club

no im not, and besides there are more bad cards for us.

Raise flop is easier and you'll stack any good ace and probably flush draws.Although, it's important to call sometimes too, especially if people pays attention. River I think is extremely player/timing dependant as always but I'd go with a small bet and hope that ppl thinks you can valuebet worse then whatever the crap they have.

On May 02 2010 05:41 DustySwedeDude wrote: Raise flop is easier and you'll stack any good ace and probably flush draws.Although, it's important to call sometimes too, especially if people pays attention. River I think is extremely player/timing dependant as always but I'd go with a small bet and hope that ppl thinks you can valuebet worse then whatever the crap they have.

yes it's a 20-50BB table

I'm pretty certain, the SB is gonna fold all ace hands he can show up with if I raise here, so if i raise this flop I only lose money too him. Also I think the CO here, if I raise him he's not going to "stack off with any ace" I think that's a terrible assessment because my range is so strong given that I am sandwiched. I'm also flatting a lot of draws and very likely combo draws because of the SB and the stack sizes. I'm not saying I'm flatting flop here for balance. I think the rise ability to get paid off (remember we're short) is much greater if I flat than the loss in value of giving a free card.... remember these are nits... but that is just my feeling, it may be wrong and would be open to suggestions for raising but I'd like someone to present an argument other than set on drawy board = raise.

I also think dusty is pretty wrong that I'll stack flush draws vs nits, when people will know they obv have no fold equity against me if i raise this flop (given the stack sizes and being sandwiched) any raise is kind of a committing raise and it's basically like an overbet shove... they're not calling off a FD unless they have a combo draw... in which case they are making at most a minor mistake if they could see my cards.

Finally, fira do you fold to a c/r on river after u bet 160 which screams "i don't have a flush and i'm not committed"

also fold to anything the SB bets over 250 you say... that seems very nitty since the turn was checked through but idk... it's a tough spot. Agreed to call anything CO bets as long as it's not an overbet and if so tank.

I don't think 160 screams "I don't have a flush," unless you can never have a flush after checking the turn and they know this

because I would bet 160 here with a flush as well, as a bluff induction bet, and to maybe get value from AK or random 2pairs

if you can never have a flush and they know this and are good enough to exploit this, just check it down

why not c/r flop? its not like a nit is going to barrel multiple streets or call a river bet with worse than an ace if turn chks thru

On May 03 2010 03:58 n0rthf4ce wrote: why not c/r flop? its not like a nit is going to barrel multiple streets or call a river bet with worse than an ace if turn chks thru

yea i was hoping to check raise flop but i still haven't found a way to do that on the button yet.

Maybe, you can tell me!

bet turn for deception

On May 03 2010 10:12 NMcNasty wrote: bet turn for deception

BAN

i'm repping a flush but i have a set... really deceptive

On May 03 2010 10:12 NMcNasty wrote: bet turn for deception

bet turn for range merge / value, if the only hand we ever bet teh turn with is a flush there is a problem with our range

range merging is very important against random retarded shortstackers

On May 03 2010 09:47 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On May 03 2010 03:58 n0rthf4ce wrote: why not c/r flop? its not like a nit is going to barrel multiple streets or call a river bet with worse than an ace if turn chks thru yea i was hoping to check raise flop but i still haven't found a way to do that on the button yet. Maybe, you can tell me!

raise flop? :/