50 NL 3 bet vs LAG

Our enemy here is 54/44 over 40 hands and has folded to a 3 bet 0/1 times. He is also aggressive post flop 54% of the time and has folded to 0/2 continuation bets. I am concerned about all this pre flop since I know I am about to get into a pot against this guy OOP and I will miss 2/3 of the time. He is the kind of guy I can hit a set against and let him hang himself. But as far as taking the initiative OOP here I am out of my element. Any suggestions on my line?

Submitted by : Roald

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 *****
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, April 29, 06:52:06 ET 2010
Table ITALY HWY Real Money
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 4: Player4 $98.75 USD
Seat 5: Player5 $53.12 USD
Seat 6: Hero $50.00 USD
Seat 1: Player1 $50.75 USD
Seat 2: Player2 $26.80 USD
Seat 3: Player3 $59.83 USD
Player5 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$2.00 USD]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$6.50 USD]
Player3 calls [$5.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $13.75)

   
Hero bets [$9.50 USD]
Player3 calls [$9.50 USD]

Turn (Pot : $32.75)

   
Hero checks
Player3 bets [$33.25 USD]
Hero folds
Player3 wins $33.25 USD
Player3 wins $31.10 USD from main pot

Not sure what better players think but my thoughts with these kind of guys is that you either give up when you miss or you unload the clip - firing once here is burning money as he is hardly ever folding (especially on this board and as he called your pretty big 3bet - to $8?) and will obviously fire when you check the turn - here you have 2 overs and nothing more so I probably check/give up without more reads.

FWIW I think your cbet is too big - doesn't need to be that big unless you are setting up a turn shove Vs a guy who you know won't fold any PP on the flop.

You only really need to bet about halfpot (more or less) in 3-bet pots when 100bb deep. This sets up for a river shove.

theres nothing you can do on this turn

turn drastically improves his range and sucks for you.

c/f the turn is prob. the best idea. i think unless he's peeling mega wide.

bet less on flop and that sets up for more bluffing or vbetting on later streets. you have made a 3 street hand a 2 street hand. betting more is OK if u need FE for a turn shove but that would be better if u had something like AsKs or AsK or something and in general not very good.

also, if you can hit a set against him and let him hang himself, why not call pf with AK and try to hit an A or K?

On April 29 2010 12:51 Zalfor wrote: also, if you can hit a set against him and let him hang himself, why not call pf with AK and try to hit an A or K?

no

thats like saying why not call with QQ preflop against the fish to make sure the board is low before getting money in

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I like the idea of c-betting less and firing again on the turn, then giving up if you don't hit. I suspect that vs this type of player its not how much you bet but rather how many times you bet, and like huhu said, you are setting yourself up to get all the chips in by the river regardless in a 3-bet 100bb pot

this guy is not LAG, he's just aggro fish

think you played this fine
you can c-bet less on flop imo

he makes it really easy for you with his bet too, theres nothing to discuss, i can see myself even c/folding the flop some % of the time vs that type of fish player since we dont even have the backdoor flush to shove turn

On April 30 2010 03:24 vlseph wrote: this guy is not LAG, he's just aggro fish

On April 30 2010 03:24 vlseph wrote: this guy is not LAG, he's just aggro fish

aka a guy that calls up until the time u check then he tries to bet you out of your hand
you dont try to outplay people like him u just w8 for a pair and take his money

d probably play the hand like you did

raise to 10 preflop btw

I would either check flop or barrel away. Although a Q high board is probably one of the worst boards for your hand. All hands you dominate now dominate you etc.

against a guy who never folds flop i like the barrel all 3 streets most of the time and just check fold the other times. not 3 betting this pre would probably be really bad. Gotta build a pot with your good hands against fish as soon as possible.

Answer is bet 3 streets as a standard. Check fold Q high or 9-Q like boards and bet fold draw heavy boards that complete on turn.

3 bet 5x is huge... is a raise that big going to fold out hands we dominate?

I think the hand pretty much played itself. Your preflop 3b is right especially vs a weaker player that calls too much. The cbet I would probably bet half or maybe smaller when missed as there is no reason to balance vs these players. How you really take advantage of these players is by 3bing a larger value range vs them