K5 on Button 55T flushdraw flop vs BB donk

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Steal City United States. Apr 26 2010 12:01. Posts 2537

Submitted by : Steal City

PokerStars Game #15948732615: Holdem No Limit ($10/$20 USD) - 2010/04/26 11:48:19 ET
Table Nemausa II 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: merzavets65 ($2476 in chips)
Seat 2: fakefface ($2104 in chips)
Seat 3: HT-Max ($2000 in chips)
Seat 4: tomluec ($2030 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($2280 in chips)
merzavets65: posts small blind $10
fakefface: posts big blind $20

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
HT-Max: folds
tomluec: folds
Hero: raises $40 to $60
merzavets65: folds
fakefface: calls $40

Flop (Pot : $130.00)

fakefface: bets $80
Hero: raises $160 to $240
fakefface: raises $340 to $580
Hero:

Table's been going on for just a few orbits. I've played some HU before with villain but idk if he remembers. I've been pretty aggro since the table started and there's a loose fish in the SB. I though if i raise his donk it'd look more bluffy, certainly flatting is very viable. This time I decided to raise.

Question 1. (What % of time should I be raising here vs flatting?... the donk bet on flop that is)

After he 3 bets, I'm not sure if jamming or flatting is superior. Both plays make my hand look very strong... one gives a free card and one gets more value from air... but am I really afraid of giving a free card to hearts... isn't he already committed with hearts... if he has a 10 though or JJ should I shove or would I get more action by flatting dispite the fact that many cards would kill my action and he would really just have a hard time continuing with anything imo.

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Steal City United States. Apr 26 2010 12:11. Posts 2537

oh also, forgot to mention that i think flatting might actually lead to me not stacking weaker 5s sometimes like 54, 53 if action killers come on the turn.

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Netherlands. Apr 26 2010 12:32. Posts 10422

Flatting might even look stronger in the eyes of villain than shoving so this is a no-brainer shove for me. I doubt you will ever flatcall with a flushdraw here. He's not folding a 5 anyway.

NMcNasty

United States. Apr 26 2010 12:47. Posts 2041

I think u gotta raise flop almost always since ur raising it with a pretty wide range. After the 3bet I think shoving and flatting are nearly equivalent, so I would flat so u protect ur range that would call flop 3bet but fold to a turn heart.

fira United States. Apr 26 2010 13:02. Posts 6345

shove unless there's reason to think he has air often here

he can't fold a flush draw or a 5, whereas a lot of turns can kill action for both especially since you just flat

KeyleK_uk United Kingdom. Apr 26 2010 17:17. Posts 1687

i would shove here

poker is soooo much easier when you flop sets

JonnyCosMo United States. Apr 26 2010 18:14. Posts 7292

Shoving makes your hand look weaker than flatting imo o.o

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Zanjong Afghanistan. Apr 26 2010 18:26. Posts 3076

I think it comes down to what you think he has. I think you should have a pretty good idea based on what kind of player it is. And then flat if you think he is airy and shove if you think he really likes his hand like AT, 5x.

EvilSky

Czech Republic. Apr 26 2010 18:43. Posts 8918

Just shove, your not repping anything he will try to move you off of when you 3b/call .

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United States. Apr 27 2010 02:14. Posts 2355

I like flat better. 5x is going broke anyway and shoving can fold out weak fd. Good things can happen by flatting such as 67hh shipping it in on the turn. I don't think flatting makes your hand look stronger at all.

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United States. Apr 27 2010 05:32. Posts 8119

Surprised no one has mentioned clicking it back

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Nitewin United States. May 01 2010 12:59. Posts 1552

min raise for maximum efficiency